Songs that rip off riffs/rythyms from older, obscure bands

Me too! I discovered it back in College, when I had band practice and we were messing around with covers, which was always fun. Started into "Where is My Mind", and I realized "hey - that's 'Today', too" so I started singing those lyrics instead - cracked everyone up.
 
As an art teacher, I tell my kids that all artists steal from one another. The trick is to steal in a clever way rather than just be obvious about it. I might even go so far as to say that it is nearly impossible to do anything creatively that is not also derivative in some way.
 
As an art teacher, I tell my kids that all artists steal from one another. The trick is to steal in a clever way rather than just be obvious about it. I might even go so far as to say that it is nearly impossible to do anything creatively that is not also derivative in some way.

The trick is to ensure that your 'theft' is only a small component of your piece. If your piece consists solely of the theft, then you are not an artist, you are a plagiarist and you have created nothing of interest or value, which is the case with - to give two examples - The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony and the entire career of contemporary visual artist Damien Hirst.

True art contains tiny elements of derivation bolstered by massive planks of original innovation, e.g: Strawberry Fields Forever, the paintings of Van Gogh. Trilling's famous phrase 'Immature artists imitate, mature artists steal' has been misunderstood and appropriated by weak artists to justify their own substitution of plagiarism for creation in the face of their own inability to innovate.
 
Haha, and here I remember that Soup Dragons track that I though totally ripped off The Stone Roses:

YouTube - ‪Soup Dragons - "I'm Free"‬‏
"I'm free to do what I want, any old time"

YouTube - ‪The Stone Roses - Standing Here (audio only)‬‏
"I'm standing here, I really don't think you know that I'm in heaven when you smile"

But 'I'm Free' came decades before the Stone Roses. It's yet another '60s song by Jagger and Richards!! Which means the Stone Roses ripped off the Stones as well as Can! All those britpop bands just ripped off their 60s heroes.
 
The trick is to ensure that your 'theft' is only a small component of your piece. If your piece consists solely of the theft, then you are not an artist, you are a plagiarist and you have created nothing of interest or value, which is the case with - to give two examples - The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony and the entire career of contemporary visual artist Damien Hirst.

True art contains tiny elements of derivation bolstered by massive planks of original innovation, e.g: Strawberry Fields Forever, the paintings of Van Gogh. Trilling's famous phrase 'Immature artists imitate, mature artists steal' has been misunderstood and appropriated by weak artists to justify their own substitution of plagiarism for creation in the face of their own inability to innovate.

Colin, I have to disagree here. Well, almost disagree. Let's say, disagree with a slight change. As a print maker, I believe all Art is stolen. And that's fine. Give credit to your sources, and then it's an homage to an artist and a nod to Art history.

As my favorite professor once told me,"it's ok to steal from another artist; but if you are going to do it, you have to do it, and do it better!"
 
There used to be a syndicated rock radio program (back in the 80s) that had a segment that dealt with this. I wish I could remember the name of the show. It was amazing to hear how many well known songs sounded similar to others.
 
Colin, I have to disagree here. Well, almost disagree. Let's say, disagree with a slight change. As a print maker, I believe all Art is stolen. And that's fine. Give credit to your sources, and then it's an homage to an artist and a nod to Art history.

Well.... What did Lennon steal to piece together Strawberry Fields Forever, apart from one mixolydian sitar phrase?

Van Gogh's starting point was Japanese prints and Impressionism, but the layer of his own original self-generated innovation is so immense that in his final and greatest works, these initial influences are hardly recognizable. Influences are one thing, even collage-style appropriation of certain elements of existing works (which are intended to be recognised) into new contexts to create a personal statement is one thing, but the wholesale plagiarism of a work is quite another.
 
Yes, I've always thought that influences are one thing, even collage-style appropriation of certain elements of existing works (which are intended to be recognised) into new contexts to create a personal statement is one thing, but the wholesale plagiarism of a work is quite another.




What? Why's everyone lookin' at me all funny?
 
Is "I'm Free" a straight up cover? Never really got into the Stones, so if it is, I find it fascinating and want to hear the original... since the Soup Dragons suuuuck.
 
I can't listen to Twisted Sister's "We're not gonna take it" without singing "Oh come all yea faithful" along with it. Same thing with The Ting Ting's "That's not my name" and Toni Basil's "Hey Mickey".
 
I'm not immune from perpetrating unconscious songwriting thievery. I wrote a tune which I was really proud of till someone told me it was 60% 'I'd like to teach the world to sing' by The New Seekers made famous in a 70s coke advert! Another one turned out to be too much like 'If ever a wizard a wiz there was' from the Wizard of Oz. Still, Bowie's Starman chorus is just 'Over the Rainbow' from the same film, lol....
 
Yes, I've always thought that influences are one thing, even collage-style appropriation of certain elements of existing works (which are intended to be recognised) into new contexts to create a personal statement is one thing, but the wholesale plagiarism of a work is quite another.




What? Why's everyone lookin' at me all funny?

I hereby slap you with a C&D....
 
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