So my dad is putting together a metal working shop.

Icedevil

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So my dad is putting together a metal working shop in the basement to work on hobbies in his soon to be retirement... I don't really know how to machine anything specifically, but I feel that this is going to be awesome for me! Does anyone have any tips to a beginning/learning machinist? He's getting a metalworking lathe, a milling machine, and I believe, a band saw for cutting metal. I think I can even convince him that he needs to convert the lathe and milling machine to CNC. So any tips for newbs are greatly appreciated :D
 
Learn to use them manually first.
You will be amazed how rewarding it feels to make something yourself.

I've been thinking of what I would get for my own shop at home and I have come down with a basic list before I even get the main machines.
That is unless he can plunk all the money down at one time for all the stuff you need.

1. Get all the small parts needed for the mill and lathe. (Collets, Vise, basic end mill set, Jacobs chuck, etc..) What's the point in getting the mill first when it will sit static until you get this stuff anyway.

2. Make sure my house can handle the load and get the phase convertor installed.

3. Get all the metrology supplies needed (Calipers, Micrometer's, Height gage, Indicator's, surface plate, etc.) for the work I wanted to do.

4. Get the machines and include both a horizontal and vertical band saw as well as a surface grinder and buffing wheel with scotchbrite deburring wheels.

Granted some people would say that if you are building replica props there isn't a need for several of the metrology items because it just has to look like the prop and not be held within .001" tolerence, this is just how I would go about getting set up. There also may be a few things I have overlooked.


Scot
 
Biggest advice I can give it get someone that knows how to use the machines to give you hands on, metal working machines are unforgiving and a small mistake can turn ugly real quick...

Also good starter material is Delrin, you can get scrap blocks of it on Ebay for reasonable, it machines well and it's a lot more forgiving than metal...
 
No shop is complete without a TiG welder and Plasma Cutter. Why cut with a band saw when you can plasma cut it in a matter of seconds. If you end up getting a CNC table, attach the plasma cutter to it and cut metal designs with ease.
 
I bought a hobby lathe several years ago (a non-CNC Sherline 4400). I've had no formal training. I'm sure there are plenty of books out there you (and I) could read but I learn by doing so I just bought some aluminum stock and started cutting. Of course, my first attempts were trash but over time I've developed a variety of techniques and honed my skills...obviously the sophistication and quality of my work is much much higher these days. I mostly do custom lightsaber work...for myself and others (I've done work for several people here on the RPF).

As someone above said, if you get a CNC machine, you should learn to use it manually first. And honestly, I think it would be much more gratifying to make stuff manually vs. letting a computer do the work...though the CNC would obviously allow you to do more complex stuff and do runs of identical parts (no two things I make a ever truly identical).

Anyway....probably the biggest thing is, plan your work before you make a single cut. Once I have a lightsaber designed on paper, I have to figure out HOW I’m going to make it before I start. There are lots of questions I have to ask myself. First I have to decide what size/kind stock I’m going to use. Is it going to be a static hilt or stunt saber? Am I going to drill a hole in the emitter or use pre-drilled stock (which would mean the whole saber will be hollow)? Am I going to make it out of a single piece of stock or multiple parts? I try to minimize my waste so I normally do multiple parts, especially if there are some sections that are really wide and some that are skinny. If its multiple parts, I have to figure out where the “break points” will be and how to put them together. Sometimes I’ll just slide the parts together and hold them with a set screw…mostly I do this with pommels and the screw I use to install the covertec knob also holds the pommel in place. I also have taps and dies, so I frequently thread the parts so they screw together.

You’re going to be making lots of trips to the tool shop...at least initially. You’ll constantly run into situations where you don’t have the proper tool. You’ll accumulate them over time. Things like tilting tables, taper attachments, taps/dies, end mills, files, drill bits…

Some recommendations: don’t even mess around with anything but carbide tipped cutting tools, a vice will come in handy (especially for thread-cutting), fine-grit sandpaper is great for smoothing parts, a bench grinder with a polishing wheel and some compound is great for giving stuff a nice shine, get a good digital caliper, never operate without eye protection at the very least (I use a full-face shield).

Crappy pics but here’s an example of my work…probably my best work so far. I pulled out all the stops…used nearly every one of my techniques on it. I’m happy to discuss it with you further or answer any questions…just shoot me a PM.

avalon4.jpg
 
I would suggest getting a foundry (for melting and molding metal). Youll end up with a lot of extra aluminum stock and shavings. Thats what we do:)
 
These are all great ideas! Thanks a bunch! I just drove to the trucking depot with my Dad and picked it up and I must say... it is beautiful :love:lol
 
Great Advice! I have a similar setup to what you are describing in my garage and totally agree with all of the above. I think the only item that I am missing is the TIG welder. I only have a MIG.

I would suggest that you pickup a copy of the "Machinist Handbook". It can be a little pricey, but worth every penny.

As for material, try to find a scrap / recycling place. I find alot of good aluminum for projects at a deep discount.

Good Luck, Have Fun, Stay Safe!
Brian
 
Here's a link to MIT's metalwork/machining videos. Good basics to start.

http://techtv.mit.edu/collections/ehs-videos

There's a few Village Press magazines you can look for at Barnes & Noble or Borders.
- The Machinist's Workshop
- Home Shop Machinist
- Digital Machinist

All 3 of of those share an online forum http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/

And if you can find it here in the States (my local Barnes & Noble has been carrying it lately) Model Engineers' Workshop. It's a British magazine, website is www.model-engineer.co.uk I'm mentioning this magazine because it seems to so far have more of the 'basics' in each issue where as the Village Press publications tend to not always have articles for the starter with the basics and are usually more moderate + skill level stuff.
 
Just realized you said 'in the basement' so I'd add that you need to set up some sort of ventilation to the outside if your going to be welding down there.
 
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