So I watched Season 4 of Dexter...

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  1. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    If you haven't watched it yet SPOILERS!

    Ya, I'm late to the party. Started watching Dexter after Christmas and I just finished watching season 4 (JUST. As in about 5 mins ago).

    Holy Hell! I almost want to throw up I'm so disgusted with that season finale. Good TV? Absolutely. But it makes me want to forget I ever watched the show put the characters out of my mind and not continue with the series. I was watching it by myself and still had to yell "NO!" at the TV when he found her in the tub with his child in her blood!

    So maybe I'm hyper sensitive to this, I'm approximately the same age as the characters, have a wife who is very dear to me, and two little boys who are my entire world. I also have a very overactive imagination (as many of us here do) that immediately sees that child on TV and sees my youngest son sitting in my wife's blood. :sick

    Good God. Makes me want to cry. :cry

    All this said I'm the guy that has a bug up his a$$ about nuTrek because I'm the father of a boy named James and they killed off Kirk's father like it was nothing. :angry

    Cue all the posts saying "dude, it's just a TV show". I know it is, it's not real, but *. It opens up a place in my brain I'd really rather have left closed.

    Just had to vent... Whew.
     
  2. Zombie_61

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    *** SPOILERS ***


    Of all the main characters, Rita probably had the most developed story arc in the four seasons the character appeared on the show. She want from being a victim to taking charge of her life to being a control freak (some might say to the point of being annoying). The real tragedy of Season 4 is that Dexter finds her body after he's disposed of Arthur "The Trinity Killer" Mitchell; Dexter isn't particularly sadistic, but somehow I think he might have made an exception for Mitchell if he'd known Mitchell had killed Rita.

    Yeah, it's a fictional television series, but sometimes the best television shows and movies can hit a little too close to home. Give your wife and sons an extra hug, you'll feel much better.
     
  3. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    If only everyone wasn't asleep! :lol

    I think instead of sleep I'll spend my nights in the hallway with a shotgun after tonight! I agree with you on Rita's character. It didn't help that it was completely out of left field at the end of that episode. You think everything's done and he's going to go meet her then BAM. I hate when seasons end on a downer but this was just... Wow. ;)
     
  4. Rbeato

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    yea a sad ending, but one helluva twist. one of the best seasons of Dexter imo.
     
  5. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I still think season 1 was the best of the series, it was the most involved and the killer was the most menacing (and meaningful) to our protagonist.
     
  6. 0neiros

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    I have to Disagree RE Star Trek, Kirk's Father's death was NOT Nothing. Pike said it "Your Father commanded a Starship for 15 minutes and saved 800 lives" Starfleet sure appreciated his sacrifice, and it did shape JTK's future, it was the necessary prod to get his **** together.
     
  7. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    You're right, wrong terminology on my part. To kill Kirk's father and then end up with the same character is absurd though and made me angry. Worst part of the film? When Spock told Kirk that his father lived to see him command the Enterprise.

    Dick move JJ, dick move.
     
  8. DARTH SABER

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    The thing that bothered me about Rita was that she was always bugging Dexter when he was in the middle of a hunt or cleaning up.

    Dexters on his way to a kill, or driving around with a guy in the trunk, and Rita calls him to pick up diapers or something. Lol
     
  9. Rbeato

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    yea she started getting on my nerves bad in season 4 (just how dexter was annoyed when she was driving him to work singing with boy geroge" and not letting dexter get another cup of coffe), hell dexter has court in the morning, she clearly hears the baby cry but ooohhhh dexter can handle it. then she wonders why he "hasn't been the most presesnt father lately" yea cause you never seem to take care of harrison at night, and your husband works all day and kills after work, so he needs sleep. If she wouldn't have been killed of, i would have hoped for something come the following Rita when she would have been even more annoying and controlling.
     
  10. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Ya, nagging Rita wasn't exactly the best but I guess I have a code too, she didn't deserve it. AT ALL. She was a loving mother who just got through a really bad time and things were looking up. Then bam, dead in a tub with an innocent child in her blood.

    At least with Dexter's mom she knew that she was involved in some dangerous stuff... Rita had no knowledge whatsoever.
     
  11. Solo4114

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    Ok, thoughts.

    Rita did have a major arc, but I can't tell if that was by design or what. Rita towards the end had become a giant pain in the *, but that is, I think, mostly due to how the writers used her. Her sole purpose on the show came to be bugging the hell out of Dexter with inane requests in mid-kill or body dump....and that was it. This is a real shame because the CHARACTER is incredibly interesting (or could've been). Also, Julie Benz, while apparently a bit snotty in person, is a terrific actress who could've done a lot more with that part. Instead, she was just a constant annoyance on the phone. "Dexter, don't forget to pick up milk on your way back. We never spend enough time together. Blah blah blah." Ugh.


    S1 is absolutely the best of the series. It was fresh, the characters seemed (to me at least) to change the most and in meaningful ways, and it was TENSE. All the seasons after that were going through the same motions but with less meaning.


    Rita's death on the show was important....or should have been. Personally, I don't feel like they ever really dealt with her death effectively in subsequent seasons, so take that into account. I'm not giving specifics (there's not much to give, really), but to me it seemed like they only touched on it for a few episodes or in passing here and there later. Otherwise it's back to normal.

    I think the show writers changed somewhere around the 3rd or 4th season, and that had a MAJOR impact on the show.

    The later seasons are more...hmm...I'd say "cinematic" but not in a good way. They have less depth, and are more about visceral thrills than about character development. They play at having more development, but the writers seem to either leave stuff hanging, or hit a reset button with characters and nothing much changes. This leaves them free to mine familiar ground for the same old thrills, but at the cost of innovation. Their version of innovation has been....questionable as well, in my mind.

    Basically, I think if you stopped watching the show now....you really wouldn't be missing a ton. The rest isn't BAD, mind you. It's still entertaining. But it's nothing like what Season 1 was. You'll never catch that high again with the show. On the other hand, as just a fun, silly little show where Dex kills people and chases a "big bad" of the season, it's an entertaining show, still.

    Meantime, hug your wife and kids, and practice your kung fu when they aren't looking.
     
  12. GeneralFROSTY

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    Actually it's refreshing to have someone feel such away about Sason 4. While it is arguably one of the best, most were happy to see the Rita character go - me included. But yes, inherintly the show is going to have story elements that are disturbing.
     
  13. Michael Bergeron

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    I agree with you Dan, they could have done a lot more with her but just ended up using her as a one dimensional plot device.

    I understand why the writers wanted her out of the picture, just the way they did it was terrible. Great twist, great fit to the show, but I hated it. :)

    I would have been much better with it if it had some purpose or meaning aside from "my son and I were both born in blood" and "she's getting annoying". And it sounds from what you're saying about the next seasons that it doesn't really. I don't mind her out of the show, just this way it feels so wrong and empty.

    Oh well, life goes on. :lol No kung fu for me though, I've got a very nice gun collection to sooth my paranoia! :lol
     
  14. Rbeato

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    It was indeed a shocker to where I felt horrible for Dexter as when he was on his boar disposing of Trinity, he looked up at the moon and thought "i wonder if rita is looking at it too, i like that" and he was so happy to be going on his honey moon with her, and bam! Trinity got to her without Dexter knowing while he thought he had his family safe. When Rita died, and when Lumen left him were the only times I felt really really bad for Dexter as he was actually happy and feeling it for a short while, and since he is who he is, that feeling doesn't happen to him often. But if it didn't happen in season 4, it would have been inevitable that his wife would be killed by a serial killer he was hunting. but the next two seasons should be very interesting with his secret out with Deb.
     
  15. red4

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    What are the rules about necroposting? I recently started watching Dexter on Netflix instant streaming, and have been blasting through the seasons. I just finished season 4 a few minutes ago, and it gutted me. Dexter came home so relieved and happy, only to find his life turned (somehow) even further upside down. I've been expecting someone like Debra to die, but not so much Rita. Here's hoping nothing so tragic happens in seasons 5 through 8.
     
  16. Risu

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    Brace yourself for the worst series finale of all time...
     
  17. DuneMuadDib

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    Do yourself a favor, and don't watch seasons 5-8.
     
  18. red4

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    I've heard about seasons 6,7, and 8 being bad, but have purposely avoided reading into why. I'm already watching season 5. I've also heard about the series finale being really bad and unsatisfying (or something), but again haven't read into why.
     
  19. Risu

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    I still enjoyed watching the show up til the end. Just the last couple episodes tanked.
     
  20. Jedi2016

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    I'm still two seasons behind myself, but they're back on Netflix now, so I plan to catch up. Despite what everyone says... good ending or bad, at least it'll be over. I'm not just going to leave it hanging.

    As for Season 4, the only good thing about it is that Rita never found out about who/what Dexter really was.
     
  21. DuneMuadDib

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    5 isn't too bad, just compared to 4 there's no contest. The quality goes down from there though. There is an utterly stupid plot thread near the end of 6 that is just wrong for even by Dexter standards. It's tricky to explain why the last few seasons are *, but they are. Season 5 is a decent enough ending point since you're already into it, certainly a better point to stop watching at narratively than 6, 7 or 8.

    The ending is sort of like the Holiday Special in that people can't imagine it's that bad, but when they watch it it's worse than they could have imagined.

    Funny you should say that.
     
  22. Seabass

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    I personally liked most of season 6 and 7. Doomsday was interesting enough and Ray Stevenson as Isaac was brilliant. season 8 was terrible though
     
  23. JoMamma_Smurf

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    I had the EXACT reaction!! I'm 33 for the record and I immediately wanted to just quit watching it. Can you imagine how the poor bastards who had to wait for the next season felt?!!? It still gets to me when I re-watch it.
     
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  25. Michael Bergeron

    Michael Bergeron Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Necro!!! :lol

    No rules at all, glad that this is reborn now that the series is finished.

    For the record I did end up watching the rest of the series although I waited a good year and a half to pick it back up after the season 4 finale. I won't spoil anything but I didn't mind series 5-8. They certainly weren't as good as season 1 & 4 (mostly 1, which is some of the best TV I've ever seen) but they didn't suck either. The way things ended certainly was disappointing though.
     
  26. AJK001

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    I actually really liked season 5 and thought season 6 was pretty good/ I also enjoyed most of season 7 except for anything to do with Hannah. Season 8 was ho hum but not terrible until the last episode.
     
  27. rodneyfaile

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    I had only seen season 1-4 of Dexter, until they popped up on Netflix. I just finished season 7.

    SPOILERS!


    What happened? Did they change writers? Dexter went from being an anti-hero who killed bad guys that slipped through the cracks, and suddenly became a villain by leading the police in the wrong direction so he could take the law into his own hands. Also, I'm no crime scene investigator or lawyer, but it also seems the legal aspects of handling evidence and proving guilt have slipped. And don't get me started on the whole Deb being in love with him. I'm wondering if I even want to watch the last season, but might as well see how it all ends.
     
  28. Crazy3rdgen

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    When season 4 ended I couldn't sleep, hoping it was all a dream in mis belief. Rita was around for so long.. just a shame. I got over it though once I kept watching, had no other choice really.
     
  29. Solo4114

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    As I understand it, yeah, after Season 4, the original showrunner left. This explains the dramatic drop in quality moving forward.

    While some of the stories in the later seasons were interesting and entertaining, there was a pervasive sense that nobody had any idea where they were headed, and they were simply making it up as they went along. I don't recall specifics, but season 5 had several plotlines that were just...dropped. The sixth season time-jump also threw me for a loop.

    There were two things that really irritated me about the show, which gradually grew worse and worse, and which were true even as recently as Season 2.

    1. The writers never seemed to know what to do with Dexter himself. He'd spend an entire season trying to accomplish something, only for them to hit the reset button at the end of the season. He'd get close to people, think maybe he could find redemption, then >bam< they'd leave or turn psycho, or he'd run from them or whatever. It just got old. Really, really old. It made each season seem more and more pointless when, at the end of the seasons, they'd bring him back almost exactly right where he started. Season 5 and Season 6 seemed, to me, to be the worst offenders here. The relationship with Lumen that then abruptly ends with him saying "I guess I'm just a bad person after all." The search for religious redemption, which ends with Brother Mos Def being killed and Dexter saying "Nah, never mind. I'm just gonna kill people." Why go down these dead ends if they just end up with Dexter reverting to form each time? He never seemed to grow as a result of it, either.

    2. The whole "will he get caught" thing just got really stale. The notion of a serial killer balancing his "real" life was intriguing, but it got to the point where it was just frustrating at how they'd try to create tension by having Dexter constantly being two seconds away from getting caught. It just made me roll my eyes when they were STILL going back to that over and over and over.


    In my opinion, the first season of Dexter is one of the best seasons of TV out there. But everything after that can largely be ignored. The 4th season was pretty good, but even that had its flaws.
     
  30. DuneMuadDib

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    Oh, just wait. You think Dexter going off code is wrong now, Season 8 makes a huge deal of the code at a point where Dexter's thrown half of it out.
     
  31. Zombie_61

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    That's television for you. A lot of shows that deal with legal issues, whether directly or indirectly, often deviate from the way things work in the real world because the writers are trying to tell a fictional story in a specific way within a limited amount of time.
     
  32. thequackdealer

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    In my opinion there are only two ways to watch the show, either end at season 5. Or go all the way, I will warn you however the finale is severely disappointing.:sleep
     

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