Snowspeeder: From iconic film Prop to Disneyland trashcan

MrV

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Part 1
This post will document the journey of one of the most iconic spaceship props in film history (IMO), The Empire strikes back Snowspeeder!

In my quest to document the history of this prop I have used many resources that I feel are worth documenting on this forum. I undertook a basic documentation process on the history of this great prop and Embedded forevermore on the RPF so that it will not be lost to the sands of time.

Early designs for the Snowspeeder were painted by Ralph McQuarrie (Below), the most awesome of initial OT SW artists. From there the small twin seated attack craft was refined in design on paper by Alan Tomkins in England. If you haven’t read his book check it out “Stars and Wars”. The scale model was constructed by ILM back in the States by Joe Johnson.
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With production having learned from their experience in the first Star Wars film, outsourcing production construction was the most pragmatic way to get some props built.

In the book “The making of the Empire strikes back” by Allen Arnold The author states;
“With a company based in Herefordshire (Ogle) doing an outstanding job on Lukes Landspeeder, full size Y-wing and X-Wing fighter’s for the first movie, production of the Snowspeeders was soon outsourced to the Ogle company to construct these full sized props”.

Below are images from the Japanese Magazine Car Styling (1980) featuring a section on Ogle and the making of the ESB vehicles.

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Original blueprints from the JW Rinzler book detail that six of this Craft would be required, however based on production photographs it appears that only four were ever constructed.

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On the 5th March 1979 filming commenced in Finse, Norway with one of the hero craft sent over (Below). Alan Tomkins details in his book "Stars and Wars" how they transported this craft over for use in the crash scene. Once filming in Norway was completed the cast and crew, then commenced filming in England where the prop was used for the echo base hanger scenes, and close-up scenes for the flight shots filmed on May 10th 1979.

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Part 2
Two of these four props appear to have been detailed as hero versions. Ill name these as Hero A and Hero B. The first one (Hero A) being the main one used in all of the interior shots following the shoot in Finse, Norway. The second one (Hero B) more obscure hero with only one production photo available, showing an almost time machine type panel set up with cogs and dials galore. It just doesn’t seem to fit with the Rebel mood styling. however the interior panel display is varied quite dramatically as shown in the two photographs below. Note the lack of detailing on the side of the seat in Hero B.

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Hero B
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It is also noted that the Hero A had parts fall of during filming such as the small UHER knobs and Aircraft latches along the cock pit edge.

On the 5th March 1979 filming commenced in Finse, Norway with one of the hero craft sent over. Once filming in Norway was completed the cast and crew, then commenced filming in England where the prop was used for the echo base hanger scenes, and close-up scenes for the flight shots filmed on May 10th 1979.
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So where did they go? Broken up and destroyed is what evidence would suggest. There are some great images online of the Elstree dumping ground following completion of ANH filming. I am sure the same outcome for the end of line props occurred for ESB. Be prepared, these images will be shocking to some.
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At one point Mark Hamill appeared as Luke “Glam rock” Skywalker resplendent in a gold and sequin cape for a German program (Image below). Beware, some things cannot be unseen. For those who love suffering I have also included the link below.

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When asked what was that period in your life? Mark stated that “He just wanted to do something in Germany”. Huh? Ok Mark.

Another appearance, probably the Hero A, was to be seem at a 1980 convention in the UK (Image below). Oh, to turn back the clock!
Sing out if you are in the magazine below.

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However one did make its way back to America to the Lucus Archives in San Francisco.

To be continued….
 
Part 2
Two of these four props appear to have been detailed as hero versions. Ill name these as Hero A and Hero B. The first one (Hero A) being the main one used in all of the interior shots following the shoot in Finse, Norway. The second one (Hero B) more obscure hero with only one production photo available, showing an almost time machine type panel set up with cogs and dials galore. It just doesn’t seem to fit with the Rebel mood styling. however the interior panel display is varied quite dramatically as shown in the two photographs below. Note the lack of detailing on the side of the seat in Hero B.

Hero A
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Hero B
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It is also noted that the Hero A had parts fall of during filming such as the small UHER knobs and Aircraft latches along the cock pit edge.

On the 5th March 1979 filming commenced in Finse, Norway with one of the hero craft sent over. Once filming in Norway was completed the cast and crew, then commenced filming in England where the prop was used for the echo base hanger scenes, and close-up scenes for the flight shots filmed on May 10th 1979.
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So where did they go? Broken up and destroyed is what evidence would suggest. There are some great images online of the Elstree dumping ground following completion of ANH filming. I am sure the same outcome for the end of line props occurred for ESB. Be prepared, these images will be shocking to some.
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At one point Mark Hamill appeared as Luke “Glam rock” Skywalker resplendent in a gold and sequin cape for a German program (Image below). Beware, some things cannot be unseen. For those who love suffering I have also included the link below.

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When asked what was that period in your life? Mark stated that “He just wanted to do something in Germany”. Huh? Ok Mark.

Another appearance, probably the Hero A, was to be seem at a 1980 convention in the UK (Image below). Oh, to turn back the clock!
Sing out if you are in the magazine below.

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However one did make its way back to America to the Lucus Archives in San Francisco.

To be continued….

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I am wondering, what were these constructed of, in order withstand being placed in the elements for extended periods.


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Good point. My guess is they were fiberglass. The Ogle documentary on Youtube shows their car making process. The Echo base photo in pre production shows them made in large sections to be attached together at the studio so i can only think fiberglass. Also the Hero B sat out in the elements for at least 20 years and wood just could not last that long.
 
Glass would make sense.

At least some of the 'snowspeeders' were intended to get exposed to real snow from day one. AKA, water. It makes sense that those would be fiberglass rather than wood just to keep them from coming apart during the shoot. And if you are gonna produce the molds to make some fiberglass ones then you might as well do them all that way.
 
Part 3 (Final post)

In an interview on the awesome podcast series Talking Bay 94 Brandon interviews Don Bies. On the 17th February 2022 Don stated; "…in 1989 there were just too many props in storage, and they ( The snow, speeders and skiff, and some speeder bikes ) were sold to Disney".

The photos from the web site I grew up Star Wars, (IGUSW) (Link below) show that these props were dumped in the back lot area where many surprised fans would’ve stumbled across them on the back lot tours during the 1990’s.


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Based on the photographs by IGUSW the speeder that ended up in the back lot was the Hero B as evidenced by the “time machine” buttons and knobs layout (Image below). Not the missing cannons. One of these has ended up in a well known SW collectors house, hanging pride of place on his wall.

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At some stage, this prop was restored to a degree and put on display within the Florida Disney complex

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By the time galaxies edge rolled around, it appears that the last remaining ship being the Hero B was discarded. I have been informed by a Disney employee who has asked around at work and that it is certainly nowhere to be seen. Maybe somebody souvenired some pieces? I hope so.

Just as in life, we all have limited storage space, and so to, even the mighty George Lucas has his limits.

Thanks for reading!

References;
Allan Arnold book, making of the Empire Strikes Back
Car Styling 32, 80 edition, Ogle article
Star Wars web site
Making of The Empire Strikes Back by JW Rinzler
Stars and Wars by Alan Tomkins
 
Glass would make sense.

At least some of the 'snowspeeders' were intended to get exposed to real snow from day one. AKA, water. It makes sense that those would be fiberglass rather than wood just to keep them from coming apart during the shoot. And if you are gonna produce the molds to make some fiberglass ones then you might as well do them all that way.
Real glass is seldom used in movie (safety issue...unless it's Securit) Clear plastic sheeting is lighter and easy to cut.;)
 
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