Small rant about "The Walking Dead" - spoilers

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  1. adamata

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    OK, so I just started watching season 2 (I know, I know!) and there is something that makes me so * angry that I have to say something.

    The stupid winnebago.

    OK, so here it is. It's the end of the world, no rules, no cops, no car loans, etc

    WHY ARE YOU STILL DRIVING THAT P.O.S. THAT YOU KNOW WILL BREAK DOWN?

    Go find a new one, start it up and drive away.

    Are you telling me there isn't a camper and RV dealer nearby?

    It's the flipping south! They are everywhere!

    And why they all dont have new trucks is beyond me.

    So, just started season 2 episode 1 and, of course, the winny just pops smoke going through the accident scene.

    C'mon now! Arg!

    these people are too stupid to survive.

    ok, rant over.

    I just hope carl stays in the house. I will be ok if that happens.
     
  2. Sigma-LS

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    Get in the house Carl!
     
  3. great1

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  5. crabra comander

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    Yeah plenty of things to gripe about on this show. The least of my concerns is which vehicle they choose to use.
    What would you choose? A Delorean?
     
  6. Kerr Avon

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    He kept it mostly for sentimental reasons, also it's got a lot of internal space to store stuff and move around in. You can't exactly walk from the inside front of your SUV to the back of your SUV. Also, they do pickup additional vehicles in Season 2. In Season 1 they were being very conservative because they had almost no guns and ammo.
     
  7. ONEYE

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  8. epilepticsquirl

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    I think you answered your own question there, it's the flipping south. :lol Some of us treat our trucks like our first born. Remember when Hank Hill's Ranger from King of the Hill got demolished? same sentiment.
     
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  9. jamiemcshan

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    First thing I would do if I found myself in the world of the "Walking Dead", is to build a bad A$$ RV with metal shutters, wheel covers, Extra Gas tanks, etc... I like watching the show and all, but it does aggregate me that it has so many faults. Maybe they couldn’t make it as dramatic if everything was thought through and had a plan.
     
  10. Kerr Avon

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    They could if they stuck to the * comics instead of making up new storylines.
     
  11. deck5

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    'Aggravate'. Not 'aggregate', which is also a real word, but means something completely different.
     
  12. Werstrooper

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    it's because he can fix if it breaks down, he has spare parts for it and also can get spare parts easily from other vehicles.

    It's also his comfort zone
     
  13. MooCriket

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    The Winnebago worked out just fine for Lonestar and Barf in Spaceballs, so why not?
     
  14. darthgordon

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    Actually, it makes perfect sense if you think about it.

    Human beings are as much nestors as much as many species. Most seem to have a desire for home. Home is not necessarily a house. It can be a country, a town a place, an apartment or even just items that are taken with traveling. I've never understood the need for people to stay in the most desolate or dangerous of places and even defend them (deserts, jungles, etc.). Yet to them it's their home.

    Home is a place that you feel comfortable. It's a place you've made your own. It's a place you don't want to give up or have taken from you.

    It's really no different than Hershel clinging to his farm, even if it isn't the safest place.

    Dale is a romantic... not romantic in that he enjoys flowers or candy, but he has a romanticism with the past... the way things were before everything happened. To him, he used to travel in that hot, ugly thing before everything happened. To him, it represents a better time (he doesn't like what the world has become). To him it's become his home and given him shelter. He may have been taking trips with his wife in it, years ago. So it also represents happy memories.

    It's his comfort zone.

    What about props? They don't serve any actual purpose. They sometimes cost a lot of money. To most here, they represent not just a piece of resin or plastic, but a connection to a world that we will never truly know. That's what the Winnebago has become to Dale. A connection to a world that he may never be able to rejoin.

    What about that place that you feel comfortable? ... that house, apartment, mancave, or just a room? There's still a level of comfort there. It's like being a baby and being held in your mother's arms.

    ...maybe that's what we attempt to recapture when creating a nest for ourselves... that comfort of the womb again.

    Linus's blanket was also a ratty, hideous and ridiculous thing... but it made him feel safe.

    Besides that- it's safer than a tent, offers a place to sleep, eat, store supplies, stand guard... It's a house on wheels! So that's better than sitting in a house (if any minute hoards of hungry zombies could attack said house). You've got a better chance of getting away in a Winnebago than you do a house :p
     
  15. robstyle

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    adamata, get in the van.
     
  16. CB2001

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    Simple answer: The RV belongs to Dale and his deceased wife. According to the comics (some which transfered over to the show), Dale and his wife, Erma, used to travel in the RV (in the comics, she was a victim in the early days of the zombie apocalypse, while in the show, she died of cancer). The reason why the RV is still in use is because it belongs to Dale. It is the last thing he has that ties him to the world before the Walkers, much like how Rick donned his sheriff's outfit just prior to heading to Atlanta. Basically, they are pieces of their past that they choose to keep up with. For Dale, that RV is the last thing he has since his wife passed. I'm sure you have things that are valuable to you, and I don't mean price wise, I mean emotional value. How would you feel to give something that you have an emotional attachment to when everything else you had was already long gone? Before you say BS, I want you to look on the side of the RV. You'll see that Dale and his wife's name are on the side of it. That RV is important to Dale. In the comics, the RV doesn't break down in the first two volumes like it's shown in the show. In fact, I'm about to make reference to how the RV was useful in the comic with your next question.


    Simple answer: Limited gas supply for all the vehicles. That's why you see them abandoning most of them in the opening episode of Season 2, including Daryl abandoning the truck he was driving to switch to the Chopper he had tied down in the bed of the truck. In the comics, the start of Volume 2, they leave the Atlanta camp site by syphoning the fuel from all of the vehicles they had, putting it all into the tank of the RV, everyone packing up into the RV and taking off. It's easier to have a large amount of fuel for one/two/three vehicles than it is to have a large amount that you have to split between ten/eleven/twelve vehicles (the more vehicles, the less amount each vehicle would get). It's no different than the old portion equations from math, only with cars.
     
  17. ONEYE

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    That's not going to happen, the TV show has it's own story to tell. :)
     
  18. Scareb

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    The RV can hold the most supplies out of all the vehicles. I mean look at all the water jugs they found in the season 2 premier, if they were all driving regular vehicles, they wouldn't be taking much. Now imagine how muc water sales RV could store. Also they don't know how often they'll come across gas. If one of the vehicles runs dry and they have to grab all their supplies plus people and stick them other vehicles? Chances are stuff is getting left behind whereas dale can open the door to his RV and go "we got vacancy's here".
     
  19. robstyle

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    That RV was a joke and there is no defending it in reality regardless of the comic lovers fetish for it. It broke down constantly, is a fuel hog and as seen in the last episode, cant even stop a couple walkers from bashing the door in. It was almost as irritating as the Dale character himself. That RV gets about 8-12mpg and that giant Suburban isnt too far ahead of that. Shane had it right with the product placement Hyundai mini SUV when he abandoned the Jeep. Modern vehicles have reliability, fuel economy and other plus points to keep them on the "why dont they..." reality list.

    On an art dept/production viewpoint older vehicles have personality and character. Modern vehicles are clones of each other. Take badges and name plates off 99% of modern vehicles and swap them between each other and see if anyone notices. Using old vehicles also gives excuses to break down/run out of fuel at the right moments called for in the script. It is after all very convenient the Suburban ran out of fuel within earshot of the prison that Hershel and the "Ive lived my life on this farm" crew dont seem to know about.

    Im surprised you didnt catch onto the magical healing ability everyone seems to have. On a side note, I cant wait to see Carl wander around the prison. That boy aint right as it is.
     
  20. adamata

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    oh, I agree with owning a camper. no argument there and why would ANYONE sleep in a friggin' TENT!

    That's like pretending you are a double cheeseburger waiting to be eaten by the first walker that gets by the fence. Just a flimsy wrapper to get past in order to get to the meat inside

    Jeez! Tents, really?

    I would get a smaller sized camper too, beef it up, stronger door, big bumper for ramming stuff. extra fuel cans, open a hatch in the roof, etc. its not like you have a full time job to go to anymore where you dont have *time* to work on your friggin survival!

    But for the love of God, get a NEW one. Memories, shmemories Dale!

    what good are they when you are being eaten alive because the radiator hose broke again and you are surrounded by a herd?

    (and I have read the comics, btw, at least up to issue 12 or so, long before the show came out)

    and dont give me that "no fuel" business. all i see are abandoned cars everywhere. stop during the day, scan for walkers and drain the tanks every chance you get. Once again, nothing better to do. Not like you have to get to the gym in 26 minutes, right?

    and finally. Hershel's Farm.

    Lit up light a * football stadium at night. If a flare thrown into a parking lot can attract a group, why hasn't this place been overrun yet?

    and they sit on the porch, no guns, lights on, no defense at all. oh, its like a buffet waiting to happen.
     
  21. Wes R

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    With all those cars sitting around I'd find a new one to drive. Hell, get 2 of them off a lot someplace that way you're not all crammed together like sardines. The gas thing annoys me too, just like in most post apocalyptic stories. You'll run out of drive able road before you run out of gas as i guarantee a few years without road crews and you'll need a 4x4 to get groceries. Food would be a bigger concern as a lot of stuff will have gone bad or gotten into by rodents. Were these big issues in the comics or is it something that the show writers are missing?
    These zombies aren't very fast so you could get a lot of scavenging done before they were a threat unless they get the drop on you.
     
  22. Gigatron

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    To hell with sentiment - get down to the nearest RV dealer, find the biggest one you can, go to the parts department, steal every spare part you can carry, and be on your way.

    Then, get to a state that allows gun ownership and load the rest of the RV with every long range (AKs and remington 700s) and shotgun you can find. Hell, find an army base and hope one of the vehicles was mounted with a Mk. 19 grenade launcher.

    Go to autoparts stores and look for oil recovery tanks (low profile tanks, designed for putting under your car when changing the oil, with built in funnels). When you need gas, slide it under an abandoned car, punch a hole in the gas tank and get out. Almost every car designed over the last 2 decades has anti-siphoning filler necks. The necks have baffles which keep you from being able to get a hose down there.

    Hopefully, you can then hook up with people who were smart enough to do the same. 10 to 15 people, 3 or more loaded-out RVs, I bet you can survive for some time.

    -Fred
     
  23. Wolfie138

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    Sod the RV dealership : i'd go to the cops or the local security firm and get an armoured truck. i'd put up w/ the cac mileage in return for added safety and splatterability. certainly wouldn't turn down a Gurkha if i happened to come across one tho :)

    as for hooking up w/ other people....no chance. i'm w/ CJ on that score (another film).
     
  24. adamata

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    Good to know!

    Oh, and being in the Army national guard right now, I know exactly where I would get my armored humvee. Brand spanking new, too! :)
     
  25. crabra comander

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    Not to rain on parades, but don't all military Hummvees run strictly on JP-8?
    I guess if you stayed close to the post you'd be fine but, judging from these shows, the Army is the least prepared to handle a Zombie invasion.
     
  26. EyeofSauron

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    i think some of you are underestimating the zombie population. lets say 90+ % are zombies

    usually those car dealers are located somewhere in cities

    zombie pop in cities is obviously bigger than out in the great white open, so you would have a hard time getting there unnoticed, and an even harder time getting out unnoticed. as we know, zombies follow the sound. even if the sound dissapears, they go in the same direction
    so unless you find a car shop in the middle of nowhere, youre in danger

    the statistically best thing to do is: gather a group of people, hope that someone can navigate a boat and coordinates, get a boat, and sail to one of the Tuvalu islands. they have 10000 inhabitants, spread over 10 islands, so approx 1000 per island. have enough ammo, get rid of the zombies, live in peace happily ever after(given that zombies cant swim)
     
  27. Kerr Avon

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    Yeah, it's easy to say they'd get all these materials, supplies and vehicles, because in their plans the walkers are never there to threaten them until after they already have all the materials they need to survive.
     
  28. Riceball

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    To the best of my knowledge Humvees and other wheeled utility vehicles in the military run on diesel. The only ground vehicle, that I know of, in the US inventory that requires any kind of fancy fuel are M1 Abrams because of their turbine engines, but even then I've heard that they can burn just about anything combustible for fuel if need be.

    Speaking of tanks, if it weren't for fuel efficiency and armored vehicle would be a great thing to liberate from a military base. You'd be perfectly zombie proof and you could run them over with no problems and if you could break into the armory you could arm them with all sorts of nice toys to take out large numbers of walkers in a very short time.
     
  29. Kerr Avon

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    Nah. A tank couldn't take out walkers any faster with any number of weapons than they could just be rolling into a crowd of walkers, spinning in place to turn everything to paste, then move over another section and spin, move, spin, move spin.

    Just don't be the one who has to clean the tracks. :lol
     
  30. Wes R

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    If you could modify something to run on biodiesel and veggie oil (like mythbusters did) you'd have a lot of fuel to use at every fast food place and grocery store.
     
  31. WarPig

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    Fred: if the Zombie Apocalypse happens, I'm headed your way. I can follow orders as well as think for myself, and I'll cover your back. I'll bring an ice pick (to gather gas) and whatever weapons I can scrounge.
     
  32. adamata

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    Nope, Diesel. and I have re-fueled enough of them to know :)

    plenty of diesel out there. TT's have huge fuel tanks.

    and yes, zombie dont swim, but they do walk underwater.

    have you read "World War Z"? herds walking to ocean floor. Yikes!
     
  33. CB2001

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    I know the M35 2 and a half would be a better vehicle. It's big and heavy (which means you don't have to worry about a horde of Walkers swarming you and pushing your vehicle over, or even having to worry about slowing down as you plow through a large crowd of them), powerful enough to push vehicles out of the way and pull heavy equipment, and runs on multiple types of fuel, included used motor oil (which would probably be in massive abundance, especially since you'd have thousands of abandoned cars that you can drain them from, such as the cars on the highway at the start of Season 2).
     
  34. adamata

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    But it runs only on Jet Fuel according to the Wikipedia page. The Deuce 2 and a Half runs on various fuels, giving you a lot more fuel sources that you could possibly find and use for it (again, used motor oil, which you could probably find in every single abandoned car on the road that has been left behind due to being out of gas).
     
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  36. Scareb

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    If they got a hold of a Humvee with a MK. 19, the appeal of that weapon wouldn't last. As civilians if they can figure out how to load it, charge it, sight it, etc. then they're ok for a little. That is until they have a stoppage or they have to clean it.

    For me, I'd take a LAV III any day. It's body has the right shape to stop zombies from climbing up, it has a 25MM bushmaster that can shred through hordes of zombies like nothing, it can be equipped with an M249, M240B, M60, .50 Cal browning or a combination. If runs on diesel, can haul * (up to 100KPH), is off road capable.

    You can carry around 9 people in it too so it would make searching for supplies easier.
     
  37. Gigatron

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    :lol You got it, Pig.

    We'll swing into NJ (even zombies wouldn't want to go there :lol) and we'll hit all the army and National Guard bases, load up on weapons and ammo, and go on our Zombie Killing Road Trip. We'll need to hit a few Dick's Sporting Goods, too. We'll get some camping supplies, shotguns and shells.

    -Fred
     
  38. Riceball

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    But walking underwater in the ocean would only get them so far before they reached crush depth for the human body or be torn apart by sharks and other predatory fish, or in the case of Australia, salt water crocodiles. Most lakes would be safe, depending on which part of the world, but some rivers you'd have to worry about either crocs or bull sharks, and in the Amazon you have piranhas.
     
  39. Riceball

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    An LAV would be a great choice, a friend of mine was an LAV mechanic and he would always tell me how they would constantly outpace Humvees during road marches. The other good thing about an LAV or a Humvee is carrying capacity, you can carry a lot more people and/or gear on and in an LAV than a Humvee, esp. if you got the Log variant LAV.
     
  40. Whetstone

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    Here is what I don't get, yes the RV probably has sentimental value but lets face it it was built in the 70s so gas mileage wise not the smartest thing, he could probably upgrade to one large enough to fit everyone and use the same amount of gas. I have read the Comics they are sticking to it pretty closely but you can tell they have to add some more drama to the mix.

    But if I were in that situation, I would be sending myself to a Scuba Shop and picking up a chainmail shark suit, if a shark can't bit through it a rotting corpse would do any damage. second you had two cops on the show, anyone ever heard of a silencer, or better yet any one from the south knows how to up the firepower of a bb-gun. And I know they have Walmarts.
     
  41. adamata

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    I am shocked I havent seen anyone with a .22 rifle

    Cheap ammo, can carry a lot of it and I am sure it can penetrate a skull.

    Plus its a lot quieter, and then add a suppressor onto it (even home made). * near silent.
     
  42. Riceball

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    The thing with a suppressor is that a gun has to be modded with a threaded barrel to accomodate one or come from the factory with a threaded barrel already on the pistol or rifle, you can't just simply pick up a suppressor, stick it on the end of your gun and expect it to work. Plus I'm not sure about how power/velocity loss you'd get on a .22LR with a can on the end, it might be enough to not be able to penetrate the skull of a zombie.

    What would great, although near impossible to get without access to a military armor, would be a grenade launcher. At medium distances and/or in relatively open areas you would be able to clear a fairly large number of zombies with one shot with the added benefit of drawing the walkers to the sound of the explosion which would 10 of meters away from where you fired from so while it would still draw walkers it just wouldn't draw them right to you.
     
  43. Kerr Avon

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    I recall watching an episode of Mythbusters where they were testing out grenades of various types. They setup cutouts of people at varying distances so they could see how much shrapnel really hit them at distances. The thing that really struck me was that there was really very little damage from the grenade. Sure, flying metal punctured the wooden cutouts at various locations, but really only like 4-5 spots on the whole cutout, and I don't recall if any actually hit the head. So that shrapnel is really effective against living, breathing, people who can bleed or suffer from the shockwave, but would grenades be all that effective against walkers? I doubt it. You might damage a limb or two on them, but probably aren't going to put them down.
     
  44. CB2001

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    Can anyone say for certain that a .22 caliber gun can cause the necessary damage to the brain of a zombie to put it down? I mean, you'd have to be pretty upclose for it to make some sort of significant damage to a human being. I think it may require being up close for it to do anything (which a lot of people wouldn't like. Heck, my suggests of using a melee weapon being better than a firearm have been shut down because you'd have to be close to use it). But then again, I'm not familiar with firearms, but a .22 looks like its too small to cause the necessary damage required to put a zombie (or a human) down from a distance. I could very well be wrong in my interpretation.
     
  45. epilepticsquirl

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    I've seen enough toe tags to tell you it will.
     
  46. CB2001

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    Have any of those toe-tags been headshots from more than 100 yards away? I'm sorry, I have to ask. I'm a stickler for details and from what I've seen and read in fiction about zombies, there's a difference in killing a human being (which any organ or artery being hit and killing them or any kind of severe trauma occuring) and killing a zombie (which the only effective hit is the brain to destroy it).
     
  47. Inkthinker

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    Also addressed in Max Brooks WWZ, during "The Battle of Yonkers". From the wiki:

    Though that description hardly does the scene any justice. It's really interesting to see how things like networked soldiers and modern shock-trauma weapons are badly designed to take on zombies. Explosives are especially of limited use.
     
  48. Riceball

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    That's true, while grenades do kill by fragmentation I think that a 40mm grenade (standard sized grenade used in US grenade launchers) should have enough HE to shred any walker in the immediate blast zone but it would likely have little effect outside of that. Still, there's always the possibility of a walker getting hit in the head by a piece of shrapnel.
     
  49. Riceball

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    I'd argue that explosives wouldn't be that limited in use, true you wouldn't get the full effect from the shock wave and shrapnel but anything within the blast radius of an explosive blast of anything more powerful than an anti-personnel land mind will get blown to pieces. If a zombie was inside the blast radius of any kind of artillery round from a howitzer, to a mortar, up to a rocket will be blown into tiny pieces; a hand grenade, anti-personnel land mine, or something like a Claymore would have little effect although a lucky hit from a piece of shrapnel from a grenade or ball bearing from a Claymore could kill a zombie and a land would slow down a zombie by blowing off 1 or both legs but it definitely wouldn't kill it unless the mine went off on or near its head.
     
  50. Wes R

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    Explosives would at least slow them down. If you could get some TNT it would probably do the most damage. Worse comes to worse find something explosive and flammable and set an explosive off under it if it doesn't kill them all it will for sure distract them.
     

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