Onigiri
Sr Member
Interestingly most of the shouting comes from the fans and the collectors.
Why? Cause they are afraid to get no longer any stuff to buy/collect
It´s not ethics - it´s that they are freightened to loose the possibility to acquire stuff cause the makers refrain from doing new stuff. Thats all. Plain and simple.
>>>Fallacious argument: You see more collectors complaining then builders because the builder's are outnumbered by the collector's. The fact is that that we always have threads here by the building/selling minority about being recast. Thats like saying China complains more then the US. There are more Chinese by number so the amount of complaints will be higher. Ive been both a buyer and a seller. Ive found selling/creating to be a thankless job and getting recast and ripped off once was enough to make sure I didnt do it again. And its absolutely about not having new items come to market. Thats not a revelation as its been stated over and over. Nothing new comes to market and the hobby dies. BUT to protect that hobby we are willing to pay MORE to the person that originally brought it to market then to get it cheaper from some recaster. As we speak I can think of several items in the hands of individuals here that are highly rare and sought after and that will never come to market because of recasting. It's called biting the hand that feeds you. Nowhere in any of my arguments do I make this a moral issue or an ethical one by societal or legal standards. This policy and stance is based solely on the survival of this community and its an INTERNAL standard established to preserve what we have HERE. I got sick and tired of hearing trooper armor recasters trying to justify what they had done by saying,"I just want my fellow troopers to be able to get armor inexpensively so I recast it and sell it for less then so and so who I got it from." Hogwash. They undercut the person who invested the time and considerable money in to purchasing the original and doing all the (tricky) work of making molds while preserving the original and try to justify it by helping out their fellow troopers. Consequently future offerings of items (if any) are done (if at all) in EXTREMELY limited runs and much more expensively to try and recoup costs, make a profit and keep the items in those hands you are not concerned about recasting.<<<<<<
- Doing this as a real income with max profit without a license is bad, doing it "from fan for fans, with a small margin just for the spend time and money" is OK, even without a license.
>>>In this economy I see no problem with folks trying to earn a living or at least subsidize their earnings by making props. It is time consuming and expensive and I have no issue with the prices reflecting that. If folks want to be altruistic about it and do it as a favor then God bless them but I dont think thats a fair expectation.<<<<<
But i still don´t judge the other side.
As a example:
There is a shipmodel, it is a direct cast from a studiomodel(or a deformed Vader Helmet) - and someone has this cast and produces and sells 1:1 copies of the studioship, with all it´s good and it´s bad parts. And there is amarket for such stuff. I assume that is OK for you?
Now there are also people who don´t like these 1:1 copies - they want parts that look as on the screen after the PC has done its work - a heroized Version, shiny and sweet. Now there is someone who buys a cast of the deformed original, cuts it down, is making fixes, doing upgrades, and so on - makes a mold and offers casts of HIS heroized Version, remember, it´s not any longer the original version. I assume you call him a recaster? Unless the fact that he has put multiple the time in it, the 1:1 original studioship/helmet seller has put in it? And the customers who like a clean made ship have to wait forever, or buy the mess of the studiostuff-copy?
>>>>The answer is simple. You ask the person you got it from if its OK (a step that seems to get skipped). If its such a major overhaul then why not sculpt it from scratch? If the person you got the original says,"Sure no problem," then go ahead. If they dont then you dont.<<<<
I never done that, i build from scratch, but such has happened - there is no black and no white part in this business. Mostly a dark grey.
I don´t know any of the 3 horses in this race (Rich/Sid/the guy who sells the stuff now) more than having read from them, so i take no side - but some people are to easy on judging. Esspeccially the ones that are afraid of beeing cut off from the cool toys.
>>>>We are here for the cool toys. Its what this hobby is based on. Kind of silly statement dont you think? at what point are people with a vested interest in this hobby supposed to NOT advocate maintaining access to the very items we are here for? You may want to rethink your argument as its self defeating to say the least.<<<<