Shepperton Designs 2008 Catalogue

[Jumpin Jax]

Cheerfully withdrawn

 

[OldKen]

And realize that LA and AA's ex-promoter are friends, and constantly post as such in defense of AA's acts.

Just balancing out that bias thing :thumbsup

How bout just discussing without finger pointing and bashing?

Wait I forgot where I was and the threads title... :lol

Too much turkey buzz for all this hostility today! :lol


I think discussion of AA's new statements is interesting to say the least, so lets try and keep this thread open. Besides the AA thread junkpile is pouring over!

 

[Jumpin Jax]

How bout just discussing without finger pointing and bashing?
I think discussion of AA's new statements is interesting to say the least, so lets try and keep this thread open. Besides the AA thread junkpile is pouring over!

Withdrawn!
It is interesting to see how the legend has grown. Going to become an urban legend like how all Graflex flashes can be a lightsaber someday :lol

 

[defstartrooper]

Granted, but I refer to RPF rules. Copy a studio piece and offer replicas; that's your own domain. TE copied a ROTJ suit and offered it, that's his domain. AA has copied up those ROTJ parts offered by TE and is claiming that it is his, that's the very definition of recasting within this hobby.
Muir sculpted the stormtrooper armor. He stated outright that AA was essentially a worker and formed/painted suits and possibly helmets. That's it.
AA created the story of his involvement, his rights over the pieces, and his ever-growing fantasy field of what he "created" for SW, that's pretty much it.

Kuhn, I can see that you're AA's mouthpiece, so I won't bother expecting you to acknowledge conflicting stories; there's no use. But he created nothing, and has put the replica hobby on the map much more negatively than ever before. It's probably a matter of time before LFL decides to dismantle the hobby in any way they can.



Anyone got a pic of AA sculpting, like.....anything? Making a clay duckie? Carving a boat from a bar of soap? Elephant that lights when you pull the trunk?:lol Thought not.
JJ

TE claims that AA copied "some" of his parts which are copies of an ROTJ suit but whilst we're asking for evidence from AA lets ask for some from TE too shall we because i've never seen any hard evidence that AA's parts are direct copies of anything of TE's.
As i said in my previous post i am doubtful that these parts are from the original ANH moulds but that doesn't make me automatically with 100% certainty be able to say they are recasts of TE parts.
They may well be but without evidence its just noise.

And yes Muir has stated he sculpted the armour but it's my understanding that at the time while working on the film he was under contract making ownership of IP the studios, so we're back to my original post again, why would AA deserve any different treatment than anyone else copying studio owned stuff ?

As for the last comment again see original post.
Why would anyone with any sense at all produce any evidence when they are in the middle of a multi million dollar lawsuit before getting to court and jeopordise their case ?

Hell just look at some of the claims your buddies made in the past and refused to backup with any evidence and there's nothing at stake other than bragging rights.
What's good for one is good for the other and all that jive :thumbsup

 

[Kuhn Global]

Granted, but I refer to RPF rules. Copy a studio piece and offer replicas; that's your own domain. TE copied a ROTJ suit and offered it, that's his domain. AA has copied up those ROTJ parts offered by TE and is claiming that it is his, that's the very definition of recasting within this hobby.
Muir sculpted the stormtrooper armor. He stated outright that AA was essentially a worker and formed/painted suits and possibly helmets. That's it.
AA created the story of his involvement, his rights over the pieces, and his ever-growing fantasy field of what he "created" for SW, that's pretty much it.

Kuhn, I can see that you're AA's mouthpiece, so I won't bother expecting you to acknowledge conflicting stories; there's no use. But he created nothing, and has put the replica hobby on the map much more negatively than ever before. It's probably a matter of time before LFL decides to dismantle the hobby in any way they can.

Anyone got a pic of AA sculpting, like.....anything? Making a clay duckie? Carving a boat from a bar of soap? Elephant that lights when you pull the trunk?:lol Thought not.
JJ

JJ...LOLOLOLOL... dude... mouthpiece for AA? I don't even know the guy! :lolInteresting. I have not praised him, I have stated that I will denounce him if proof is given,... and yet I am his mouthpiece?!! Hmmmmm

Why do constantly feel you need to attack me?:unsure Is it because you have stated something that I would like confirmation on? I have not attacked you. I have only asked for information. From everybody.

I am happy to discuss the possibilities, but you'll have to stop with the bitterness in order for anyone to truly listen.

You have stated that you friend's armor was recasted by AA. Fine. All I ask is that you show everyone WHY you KNOW that to be. It is clear that you have serious hard feelings with this subject. So please... just show what you KNOW.

JJ..There is no reason for us to continue to go down the path of BS. Let's work together and find the provable answer. We can do so in a much better light than what has been started here. If your answer is no, I will understand and I WILL push forward without your stated knowledge of the situation. UNTIL I find THE TRUTH!! Or the courts decision is made clear.

Are you with me? Or shall this path of destructive comment continue? Let's get on the high road together and seriously put this long standing issue to bed.

You're right about LFL and others trying to shut these hobby's down. I have positively promoted this stuff for the past few years and will do so for years to come. I (and those who are like me) (that means you too) will NEVER allow that to happen. I am not one to lie down to take beatings from those who would cliam they have right to. And I don't believe you are either.

 

[Kuhn Global]

JJ... I just noticed your signature info. This states much of interest for me in finding truth...

Brian confirmed to me that HE scultped everything of the stormtrooper armour from the neck down and AA did nothing but the forming and maybe the assembling but did NO sculpting. I tried and tried to get the info but he said he couldn't say but he could say AA will lose his case.-troopermaster

Who is Brian? Is he the sculptor that made the items for the Movie?

Knowing the calibur of the professionals on this board, I can well understand why more info hasn't presented itself. Many have been bound by there work with LFL. That said, Lord Abaddon is correct. There may never be solid proof for clarification other than what friends tell friends and their belief in those words.

If this is the case, then my original posting to share what I figured all of you knew to begin with was just that. And there is no need to further investigate.

Jumping Jax... I seriously didn't intend to offend. As a matter of fact, I will ask where one might go to get some quality reproduction items of these kinds (armor, helmets, etc.).

 

[Jumpin Jax]

Sure, what are you after?

 

[Kuhn Global]

The whole tomato!

With our changing posts, I am getting confused... LOLOL.

I don't have my PMs turned on, but I want you to know that I will make it clear on the RI that I will not be purchasing anything from SDS.

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Okay, what the hell? I just got email updates from the forum with quotes from Khun and JJ on their last posts and they are NOTHING as what has been posted above and both posts say NOTHING about editing their posts to correct them.

What's up with that?

 

[Kuhn Global]

LOLOLOL... yup.... I think we both posted what we were thinking while the other was making their post to the more positive area.

Then we each saw that and changed what we stated to be more appropriate.

 

[Kuhn Global]

Since there are some serious concerns with SDS, and being that I truly do not promote them, I posted this on the RI regarding my now position.

OK... my last post on this subject. Upon further review, and evidence just not being available or clear one way or the other, I have decide NOT to purchase from SDS until the name is cleared from all the accusations. There is reasonable doubt regarding the charachter of the company possibly being recasters. Until it is known that is not the case, I will not be purchasing from them.

My intention was not to cause such an unrest. I was just excited about the possibilities of getting some kewl stuff in an area I have no expertise in.

Thank you guys for everything. Considering my only thread did what it did here... lololol... I think I will stay out of the Prop and Costume areas from now on...lololol. It's just to darned expensive anyway! I don't know how you guys keep up. But those who do? WOW! VERY kewl stuff indeed!

 

[The Wook]

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[yakcam]

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Don't you mean · · · — — — · · · ?

:lol

Cheers,

Kraig

 

[Ghost Host]

:lol

Don't you mean · · · — — — · · · ?

:lol

Cheers,

Kraig

 

[Lord Abaddon]

:lol

 

[The Wook]

Don't you mean · · · — — — · · · ?

:lol

Cheers,

Kraig

Geez, you guys aren't gonna let me be reticent on the matter. :lol

I deleted my post after realizing that there were two more pages to this thread and my question was addressed in those latter pages.

Move along. Move along.

The Wook

 

[yakcam]

Sorry Man, I didn't see your post before the dot. I just saw it and thought the old SOS morse code was fitting for yet another SDS thread

Cheers,

Kraig

 

[The Wook]

Sorry Man, I didn't see your post before the dot. I just saw it and thought the old SOS morse code was fitting for yet another SDS thread

Cheers,

Kraig

Crikey! Now I get it, mate. Didn't pick up on the morse code joke 'til now.

The Wook :redface

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

OK then, my 2c,

imo Lucasfilm licensed producers aside, AA has more of a "right" to make this stuff than anyone else. To refer to him as a "recaster" is madness - how can the guy who fabricated the original armour (and most certainly added some artistic element) be accused of recasting someone else's copy of that work?

Now thats not saying he's without fault. Clearly claims about 100% accuracy and the extent of his involvement in the movie has understandably turned a lot of people against him. Same with the statement to some on this board over the originality of the armour moulds. Shoulder bells aside there are just too many RotJ tells so it was a really, really dumb thing to do. Even at the time I was very surprised to hear that he was making those statements.

So that leads me to the two key areas that to ME have been the most important issues in the AA/SDS soap opera.

Did he sculpt the original stormtrooper helmet?

Does he still have the original helmet moulds?

I’ll deal with #2 first. I am still of the view that he DOES have the original Stormtrooper helmet moulds, but that they are in such a different state now to that they were in when he produced the original Stunt helmets in ’76, that to many they are now far too inaccurate. I can respect that view, but imo if his TK helmets are from the original moulds that still gives me something I don’t get from other makers helmets. As far as the other helmets he produces, its my opinion that he only has mouldings – but again I see more “value” in that and as an example I still think that AA’s TIE helmet is by far and away the most accurate out there, Mohawk aside. However if he does only have mouldings then I would agree that AA’s wrong and should NOT have traded on the “Original Moulds” ticket.

As far as the “Did he sculpt the original Stormtrooper Helmet” issue, this has been the KEY issue for me over the past 5 years. Despite a considerable amount of investigation over the years, talking to a number of people involved in production (like John Mollo and Brian Muir long before anyone else here did), I reached a dead end with no other possible candidate other than AA. HOWEVER the LFL v SDS case has thrown up a new piece of evidence this year, namely LFL’s insistence that there was an “Original Clay Sculpt” and this was backed up by 5 photographs taken by Gary Kurtz at Elstree very early in Jan/Feb ‘76 (est). This information and especially the photos cast a totally different light on this issue.

If as it now seems, it is finally confirmed that AA didn’t personally sculpt the helmet then imo it places him in a wholly different position from a moral standpoint, let alone legal. I’m sure there are a number of people here who will relish this news.

Cheers

Jez

 

[Ghost Host]

Tough to read your posting, Jez. The letters and background are black. I had to right-click highlight it to read...