Salzo V4 Red 3

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  1. Hammer3246

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  2. propcollector

    propcollector Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Looks great!!! I love to see more people build these studio scale models!!!
     
  3. PHArchivist

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    Looks really good!
     
  4. Hammer3246

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    One issue so far for me anyways. I'm using the resin wing armature. It's been a little over a month now and my wings are sagging severly. Just a heads up.

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  5. Gans

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    Wow you didn't waste anytime getting that done
    Nice work mate!
    Where do the Sherman parts go?
     
  6. Hammer3246

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    Hey thanks. They go on the sides of the cannons.

    Cheers

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  7. mslz22

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    Can you post pics of the area that is sagging? that resin for the armature is mechanism is supposed to be tough enough to handle the weight of the wings. It's supposed to be pretty much as tough as acrylic.

    Hope we can figure out what is going on there.
    mike



     
  8. Hammer3246

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    No problem. In the closed configuration they were straight as an arrow, its never in direct sunlight, maybe a bad batch?

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  9. mslz22

    mslz22 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I can't see the pics, invalid attachment?
     
  10. Hammer3246

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    Sorry, Fixed.
     
  11. mslz22

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    Ok, let me work on a solution. Just to confirm what i am thinking, does it look like the L brackets are bending downwards on the top wings relative to the center core?
     
  12. Hammer3246

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    Yeah, It looks to like they're twisting. you can really see it on the top shot left hand side. It's pulling away near the back.
     
  13. Gans

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    Sorry I thought I might ask here given the sagging
    Mike are the AT-ST legs safe as I remember you talking about making those legs stronger?
    Or should a support stand be used
     
  14. kokkari

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    I know this thread is a few months old, but I've noticed that my wings are sagging from the L brackets also. The wings themselves are strait and they are sagging relative to each other see photo.
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  15. Hammer3246

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    Would be nice to see if this can be fixed.
     
  16. kokkari

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    One thing is for sure, it was the included armature that is the culprit with this. I would love any suggestions on how to fix this. I love this model and spent so much time getting it right. The only thing I can think is to rip it apart and get a Mike Reader armature. However, I'm afraid I'm going to ruin it if I try. BTW has anyone heard from Mike lately? Are people still getting V4s?
     
  17. CutThumb

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    Reading between the lines (and watching the new Star Wars tours video in this section ) I think its would be safe to conclude that a couple of people here that produce kits have been working to order for Disney. I certainly recognised a few models in there, as they lack the obvious tells of the originals, such as missing parts and warped wings. Its unlike Mike to abandon problems but if he and others are preoccupied with work from the company that owns the IP for all SW properties and within a VERY short time frame to complete work, it makes sense not to advertise the fact here just yet or where they will stand with selling the kits in the future. Bear it also in mind that with "Rogue One" coming out a lot of the old SW designs will be current again and there may be conflicts of interest associated with that for garage kit producers for obvious reasons. The fact that a few people here are getting to work alongside or for the actual SW productions is great, but they just can't talk about it. Would you risk it??? Thought not.
    I've a V 4 and a few other kits but I've not done any building recently because I've been building a prop room for my stuff (or at least my brother in law did the construction work and I've done the finishing). I've a V3 whose top wings have sagged a little over time. To fix that I've detatched the wings, drilled along and through them to fit a thin brass rod and then slotted that back into the main body. I cannot close them (but then that was never an issue) but it does need a repaint.
     
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  18. Gans

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    I have about 4 ofI Mikes kits
    im hoping he chimes in with a cure to the sagging or the best home cured to do
     
  19. mslz22

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    I can't comment on anything specific at this time but i will say i have been working 12-15 hour days for months now, which unfortunately has resulted in some stuff being delayed, like the fix for this wing problem. But i am done with the big project for now so i can take some time to figure this out.

    I will say that the issue is that the resin i used for the armature, was not all it was advertised to be. It is supposed to be warp resistant up to 120 degrees or so. Since i am guessing that you guys are not storing these in rooms that are 120 degrees, that claim is a bit exaggerated by the manufacturer.

    The fix will be a brace for when the wings are open that will replicate the V shape detail that is supposed to be there anyway.

    The guys to have it assembled already should be able to warm the armature a bit, get it straightened by using the brace, then inserting the brace whenever the wings are open. that should take care of it. Otherwise i would say that i will need to replace the whole kit for guys that built it, i think there are only 2 or 3, hoping that you guys are Ok making the kits you have open wing only displays and accepting an apology and a 2nd kit to build.

    It was not what i expected, the material just did not live up to it's promise.

    I need a few days to recover from my crazy summer/fall schedule, then will get on the brace.

    Many things have changed for me, so i do not know the future of the V4 at this point.

    Anyone who purchased a kit I will need to send a brace out to at some point, meaning those who have not built their kits yet.
    mike


     
  20. kokkari

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    I appreciate that Mike. Thanks for getting back to us on this, I understand you are very busy. I don't mind making mine a wings open only display. To clarify more, mine has always been in a temperature controlled environment and never in direct sunlight.

    Thanks,
    Mike
     
  21. mslz22

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    Thanks, i appreciate the patience. I know you guys are careful with the models, I am just disappointed in the product not doing what it said it would. I have met with a rep from smooth on in person and told him how unhappy i was. I have an alternate for the armature now, it is should be better but i am still going to recommend the wing brace to everyone who builds one.
    mike



     
  22. kokkari

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    Great! Please let us know how we can go about this brace and recieve one when you get it all worked out.

    Mike
     
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  23. Hammer3246

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    Thanks for the reply Mike. Look forward to hearing from you in the future.

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  24. ThrakenSal

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    Hey Mike; for hose of us who bought a kit and haven't built it yet, will we receive the brace and a new armature from the new resin?
     
  25. Darthgarth

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    Wow looks like I'm lucky work has been as manic as it has, I haven't started either of mine.
     
  26. kokkari

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    Any update on this Mike?
     
  27. mslz22

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    Making multiple molds of the brace this weekend. I also want to make a new mold for the actual L bracket stuff, the new resin is much tougher than the stuff i sent out. I think i need to mold the L bracket like 4 times so i can try to run off like 2 sets at a time, it's the only way i think i can catch up.

    For you i will just be sending the brace since yours is done.
     
  28. Yorkie Fett

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    Great news about progress, Mike.
    Do you have a record of who bought your kits so you will send out new parts automatically, or do we need to contact you directly?
     
  29. mslz22

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    Does not hurt to PM me with a current address. You can just list your address and put "brace" as the topic.
     
  30. maxhebus

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    Sorry to jump in that way but I was wondering if there would be any chance that you continue to produce the V4?
    I've sent you few PMs since October 2014 and never been answered. :(
    I imagine you might receive a lot of PMs. :)
    Any hope?

    Sorry again for bringing that on this thread.

    Happy New Year
    Maxhebus
     
  31. mslz22

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    I would like to do a few more at some point, but i have my hands full with a bunch of other projects. I know there were a number of people who wanted a kit and i was not able to get to. I do need some new molds soon, so we will see.
    mike


     
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  32. VFX Freak

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    Just a quick question, Mike. If we bought a Mike Reader armature then we have no need for the new parts you're making, right? Just wanted to be clear about the parts you're redoing.

    Thanks!
     
  33. mslz22

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    Yeah you don't need anything from me. The Mike Reader armature is really the way to go with the V4. Even buying a V4 and a Mike R armature your still spending less than a lot of other studio models. I guess the resin hybrid is backfiring on me a bit but my intention was good.

    The resin armature was an attempt to have the open/close thing at a lower cost. If the material preformed as advertised it would not be an issue. I think the brace should do the trick along with the "new" resin for the brackets.
    mike



     
  34. maxhebus

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    Thanks Mike for your answer.
    As I was just after ThrakenSal on your "V4 Incom t65 Limited run" thread and because he received his V4, I got really excited imagining I'd have the chance to finally have one of you X-wing.
    I don't know if it helps but I already have the Mike Reader armature ready. ;)

    Best
    Maxhebus
     
  35. VFX Freak

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    Thanks for the quick reply, Mike.
     
  36. Hammer3246

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    Bump for wing fix update.

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  37. Yorkie Fett

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    Also looking for the new V4 wing brace, would be grateful for a quick update (sent you a pm).
     
  38. Hammer3246

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    Hi Mike, sent a PM, still waiting................
     
  39. Jkirkon

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    I think Mike has removed himself from this site due to some shenanigans that went on here last summer. I would email him directly.
     
  40. Yorkie Fett

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    Certainly worth the direct email, but as far as I'm aware, Mike is still very active, just very busy.
    I'm been in touch with him through RPF about various things, and he's always continued to respond and provide a fantastic service.
     
  41. Hammer3246

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    He's still here, just not active in threads.
     
  42. Jkirkon

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    Good to know he is still around here! I was disappointed when I heard he left after the big shake up last year.
     
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  43. mslz22

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    Reluctantly posting publicly here for the first time since summer, but I feel I owe Hammer3246 a public apology. His replacement kit is way overdue, and I am completely at fault for that.

    After all the ugliness here over the summer I really did kind of "drop out" or "tuned out" it's not fair to anyone who purchased from me or has tried to contact me.

    I have no excuse other than it became overwhelming.

    I will try to get Hammer's kit out ASAP and if anyone needs to contact me I will try and do a better job of at least checking my PM's regularly. Again after the ugliness i would go a month or better before even checking the site.
    thanks
    mike




     
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  44. Jkirkon

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    Glad to see you post again here, Mike..even reluctantly. Hope to see you contributing regularly again. You are quite a valuable asset to the community.

    Best regards!

    Jeff
     
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  45. Hammer3246

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    Thanks Mike! It means a lot, it would sure be nice to see you active on the board again though.

    Cheers
     
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