Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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jkno
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Should have posted this here first rather than the VIII thread so:
Six months plus out I would be very surprised if the effects work was anywhere near completion. And who was it tested with??????
The speed at which it was done makes additional shooting no surprise at all, loads of films do this and if there is a problem with the script, given just how quickly this story originated, its about this time pacing ,dialogue and plot issues would show up. A decent cut of the film would already be well in place by now so anything that needs to happen ,happens now.
I'll happily sign a none disclosure and disappear from here for the next six months if I could see it early and give an opinion. Perhaps its a little too far away from "SW" as Disney might have liked it, may be too "adult" and not PG friendly enough to reach the same audience as TFA. Lets face it given how A New Hope starts its not going to have a happy ending is it?
Six months plus out I would be very surprised if the effects work was anywhere near completion. And who was it tested with??????
The speed at which it was done makes additional shooting no surprise at all, loads of films do this and if there is a problem with the script, given just how quickly this story originated, its about this time pacing ,dialogue and plot issues would show up. A decent cut of the film would already be well in place by now so anything that needs to happen ,happens now.
I'll happily sign a none disclosure and disappear from here for the next six months if I could see it early and give an opinion. Perhaps its a little too far away from "SW" as Disney might have liked it, may be too "adult" and not PG friendly enough to reach the same audience as TFA. Lets face it given how A New Hope starts its not going to have a happy ending is it?
Wolfsburg
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I remember Gareth Edwards being announced not long after I saw Godzilla and I was pretty disappointed since I didn't think Godzilla was anything special. The writers attached to RO didn't inspire much confidence either (Whitta, Weitz, Kinberg). Despite it all, I have some hope that odds will be defied and this will all come together nicely. The concept is certainly interesting, despite not necessarily being a story that *needs* to be told. The teaser trailer was decent, not great. I hope it all works out but this latest scuttlebutt doesn't buoy my ever waning confidence.
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Relax..... re-shoots are not necessarily a sign of trouble. In fact, I take it as a sign of commitment to the brand. Lots of times, there are bits of movies that don't quite work, but the studio isn't interested in sinking more money into the project and just work with what they have. The fact that Disney/LFL IS willing to spend some money indicates they want to produce a quality product, and not just pump out junk, confident it will make money because Star Wars.
There are general audience members who are still clueless about the timeline of this movie. Some still think this is a sequel to The Force Awakens.
Disney wants "A Star Wars Story" subtitle for brand association, but it's going to confuse some moviegoers no matter how much awareness they try to bring in.
On that note, some of these test audience people could have been expecting characters from The Force Awakens and thus felt disappointed to see more unknown characters. This could be one of the reasons why the movie tested poorly and may not really reflect the movie's quality.
Regardless of test screenings, reshoots are a norm these days for big budget movies so that itself shouldn't be a matter of being worried.
Disney wants "A Star Wars Story" subtitle for brand association, but it's going to confuse some moviegoers no matter how much awareness they try to bring in.
On that note, some of these test audience people could have been expecting characters from The Force Awakens and thus felt disappointed to see more unknown characters. This could be one of the reasons why the movie tested poorly and may not really reflect the movie's quality.
Regardless of test screenings, reshoots are a norm these days for big budget movies so that itself shouldn't be a matter of being worried.
Wolfsburg
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I was afraid that would happen because I've known non-diehard fans early on who thought this was Ep.8 or at least some continuation from 7. Disney should've started promotion very early on emphasizing exactly what this is, instead of sticking to the supposed belief such promotion would somehow affect promoting TFA's home release.
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robstyle
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If the four weeks of reshoots are fact, thats major coin. They do not do four weeks of reshoots after two major reshoot/pick up sessions have been done prior. Generally you go back once to pick up inserts or an additional shot or so for impact, but to go back and change a character via reshoots that has substantial outcome to the main character, then (now) go back and reshoot four weeks, or better maybe viewed as 30% of a film, is a major red flag. There was prior chatter of potential off the radar pick ups (which again isnt uncommon) but reshoots with cast for four weeks, ouch.
As stated above there is the possibility the fate of the characters could be a tad too dark for Disney brass. Yet if thats to play in this reshoot rumor at all, this would have been addressed at the first rough cut where the first pick ups that lead to a full on reshoot took place. We'll find out soon.
As stated above there is the possibility the fate of the characters could be a tad too dark for Disney brass. Yet if thats to play in this reshoot rumor at all, this would have been addressed at the first rough cut where the first pick ups that lead to a full on reshoot took place. We'll find out soon.
They have more then ample time ti roll out the marketing campaign and differentiate this from TFA. Most general audience people only have a small amount of meta knowledge about this but that's going to change the summer. I bet the marketing push will be very strong and very different from what we saw with TFA which played in nostalgia.
tubachris85x
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It's amazing how much clarity there would be in the matter if people actually took 5 seconds to search online what the plot is, but no, they have their heads up their *****'s instead. If I have to hear anymore about "seeing bothans" in this film, I'm gonna crack a skull
cayman shen
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I don't know anything about the Daily Mail but the vibe I got from the website is that's it's a bit of a tabloid rag? I'm curious to hear the non-breathless, non-sensational version of events. Four weeks of reshoots is a LOT. Not good if true.
The story is being picked up now by other outlets. I saw it on MSN.
As much as I am looking forward to this film, I think it is a mistake to go back and tell another story out of sequence without the proper setup. For all of us, it's not a big deal, but to the masses they don't pay attention and only think in one direction.
I would like to think that it is not the movie that is the problem, but the marketing for it. Something that says, "Hey! This happened between ROTS and ANH." That has to be directed to people that don't pay attention. The early marketing for Episode 1 had a tag line, "Every Saga has a Beginning." They need something along those lines for audiences to know where the story is supposed to fit.
Maybe the reshoots are to help bridge the gaps and make it more obvious.
Borjis
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Since I first heard that title my brain hears: "A Christmas Story."
You'll blast your EYE out...
cayman shen
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I agree that pretty much every non-geek I talk to is confused about this. Which annoys me, because it's a really, really simple concept to grasp. But they're just utterly adrift: "Wait, it's not about like Luke and Rey? I don't get it!" So Disney has their work cut out for them. Because most people are pretty damn dense. Hope they have a good ad campaign!
Reelo
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As Douglas Adams put it:
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
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The problem is that the bigger franchises these days DON'T go out of sequence. LOTR, Harry Potter, Twilight, The Hunger Games and the Marvel Universe have all gone forward, so the bulk of cinema goers who just want a film to see won't get it.
This was kind of rushed out of the gate to fill a gap in production to please the old school fans in my opinion, and although I applaud the concept I am worried that the story might not have been that strong and perhaps too dark for SW at the moment. I loved that damn trailer though!!!!!!!!
There is the possibility they have royally ****ed it up or may be they have decided to include the "newer" elements to the series ie the rumoured new Han Solo appearance though given the time line how the hell that would work I don't know. If they HAVE made a mess of this it makes making that movie even more of a bigger risk with everyone. They really need to listen carefully, SW is a far more difficult beast to manage than many think, just look at the problems poor old George L had!!!!
astroboy
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I think that star wars should be far easier to make stories for because of the sequence issue. It's officially like doctor who or Stargate. It has a mechanism for endless story opportunity.
The problem is that disney (thus far) isn't doing that and they're just adding missing links into this very linear story
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I think Jason's analysis here is spot on.
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/05/disney-execs-unhappy-with-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-so-far/
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/05/disney-execs-unhappy-with-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-so-far/
cboath
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Well, part of the confusion for people now is there's been one trailer and it didn't go out of it's way IIRC to say it was before ANH. Certainly made no effort to reinforce it. Aside from that, the marketing has been pretty much non-existant at this point.
I agree they they need something to tell the clueless it's pre ANH.
Before Luke could blow up the death star...someone had to steal the plans....
People here a star wars movie is coming out in december and think E8 because they were never in it enough to read the tiny blurbs saying otherwise. If you're not a big fan, you'd likely think the same thing. E8? Already? Cool! As for looking it up, if you think you know what it's about you don't look it up to prove yourself right, you simply assume you're right. You won't look into until someone tells you otherwise. Then you'd investigate.
But yes, the advertising will be important. But as of now, there's pretty much been none.
I'm curous about the test audiences either. With no advertising, i imagine a lot of them had no clue what was going on for the longest time. Even if the scroll spells it out for you ad nasuem, if you were invited a week out and were told 'the star wars movie coming out in december' and you thought that was E8, you'd just be WTF the first portion of the movie which would color your opinion. They needed fans to test it with, not random people.
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It is coming out the week before christmas, so from a certain point of view, it is a christmas story
I agree they they need something to tell the clueless it's pre ANH.
Before Luke could blow up the death star...someone had to steal the plans....
People here a star wars movie is coming out in december and think E8 because they were never in it enough to read the tiny blurbs saying otherwise. If you're not a big fan, you'd likely think the same thing. E8? Already? Cool! As for looking it up, if you think you know what it's about you don't look it up to prove yourself right, you simply assume you're right. You won't look into until someone tells you otherwise. Then you'd investigate.
But yes, the advertising will be important. But as of now, there's pretty much been none.
I'm curous about the test audiences either. With no advertising, i imagine a lot of them had no clue what was going on for the longest time. Even if the scroll spells it out for you ad nasuem, if you were invited a week out and were told 'the star wars movie coming out in december' and you thought that was E8, you'd just be WTF the first portion of the movie which would color your opinion. They needed fans to test it with, not random people.
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It is coming out the week before christmas, so from a certain point of view, it is a christmas story
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