Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)
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Re: Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One
Read the casting announcement (that you posted) again. It specifically mentions Rogue Squadron.
--Jonah
Read the casting announcement (that you posted) again. It specifically mentions Rogue Squadron.
--Jonah
Re: Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One
You're really hung up on that one word. Group and Squadron could be interchangeable. How do you know Luke just called them that because only part of Rogue Squadron was in the snowspeeders so he called them Rogue group instead? If you really want to argue over words, group couldn't even describe multiple squadrons because then that would be a wing.
You're really hung up on that one word. Group and Squadron could be interchangeable. How do you know Luke just called them that because only part of Rogue Squadron was in the snowspeeders so he called them Rogue group instead? If you really want to argue over words, group couldn't even describe multiple squadrons because then that would be a wing.
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I'm hung up on the fact that Luke was Rogue Leader in ESB, commanding the airspeeder defense of Hoth, but his X-Wing a few minutes later was still marked as Red Five. As for the whole squadron/group/wing thing... might want to read up. Three squadrons to a group is perfectly normal.
--Jonah
I'm hung up on the fact that Luke was Rogue Leader in ESB, commanding the airspeeder defense of Hoth, but his X-Wing a few minutes later was still marked as Red Five. As for the whole squadron/group/wing thing... might want to read up. Three squadrons to a group is perfectly normal.
--Jonah
Re: Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One
Apparently from other threads, fans can make up whatever theories they want if they disagree with Lucas. So I'm calling the fact that he still used Red Five as a continuity error. I wasn't there or know nothing about internal discussions between Lucas or his producers/directors, but I'm still going to say that.
Plus they already had Luke's model built, so it could be that they didn't want to build a new model. I have no clue.
Apparently from other threads, fans can make up whatever theories they want if they disagree with Lucas. So I'm calling the fact that he still used Red Five as a continuity error. I wasn't there or know nothing about internal discussions between Lucas or his producers/directors, but I'm still going to say that.
Plus they already had Luke's model built, so it could be that they didn't want to build a new model. I have no clue.
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Enh... *shrug* It was all just my attempt to iron out some inconsistencies. Red Squadron to Rogue Group to Red Group to Rogue Squadron was a little messy, to me. As well as Wedge going from Red Two to Rogue Three to Red Leader to Rogue Leader (and Luke from Red Five to Rogue Leader to... well, it's never said past early ESB). And Lucas has always gone with the words that sound cool, regardless of actual use. It was Red Squadron in ANH and Red Group in ROTJ (along with Gold Group and, presumably, Green and Gray Groups, even though there are continuity issues there, too -- see my commentary on that).
In the hangar, before the Battle of Hoth, one of the ground crew says "Groups seven and ten will stay behind to fly the speeders." Does that mean Luke and Wedge and Hobbie are all part of one of those groups? Is one Group Rogue Group and the other have some other name? Are both part of some larger Rogue Group? There are many approaches one could take to iron the mess out, but one thing that isn't anywhere in there is Rogue=squardron=X-Wings. The only association Rogue Group has is with the snowspeeders. Both times we've seen X-Wings in combat, they've been Red Group/Squadron. So yeah...
--Jonah
Enh... *shrug* It was all just my attempt to iron out some inconsistencies. Red Squadron to Rogue Group to Red Group to Rogue Squadron was a little messy, to me. As well as Wedge going from Red Two to Rogue Three to Red Leader to Rogue Leader (and Luke from Red Five to Rogue Leader to... well, it's never said past early ESB). And Lucas has always gone with the words that sound cool, regardless of actual use. It was Red Squadron in ANH and Red Group in ROTJ (along with Gold Group and, presumably, Green and Gray Groups, even though there are continuity issues there, too -- see my commentary on that).
In the hangar, before the Battle of Hoth, one of the ground crew says "Groups seven and ten will stay behind to fly the speeders." Does that mean Luke and Wedge and Hobbie are all part of one of those groups? Is one Group Rogue Group and the other have some other name? Are both part of some larger Rogue Group? There are many approaches one could take to iron the mess out, but one thing that isn't anywhere in there is Rogue=squardron=X-Wings. The only association Rogue Group has is with the snowspeeders. Both times we've seen X-Wings in combat, they've been Red Group/Squadron. So yeah...
--Jonah
Riceball
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Re: Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One
You mean call sign? While that would be true it would also mean that he should have been addressed as Red 5 on Hoth instead of Rogue Leader.
You mean call sign? While that would be true it would also mean that he should have been addressed as Red 5 on Hoth instead of Rogue Leader.
Riceball
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That's possible, it wouldn't make much sense but it's not outside the realm of belief, although there is no real modern analogue, the closest would be helos vs. planes but no military, that I know of, has dual rated pilots that regularly switch back and forth between the two so there's no real world examples to reference. One possibility, not mentioned, is that Luke, at the time of Empire, is not an actual squadron leader and Rogue Group is just an element comprised of pilots pulled from various squadrons and Luke is, in US military parlance, the Officer In Charge or OIC of Rogue Group. Once he leaves Hoth and rejoins the rest of Red Squadron he, once again, becomes Red 5 because Rogue Group has been disbanded once they leave their speeders and Hoth.
That's possible, it wouldn't make much sense but it's not outside the realm of belief, although there is no real modern analogue, the closest would be helos vs. planes but no military, that I know of, has dual rated pilots that regularly switch back and forth between the two so there's no real world examples to reference. One possibility, not mentioned, is that Luke, at the time of Empire, is not an actual squadron leader and Rogue Group is just an element comprised of pilots pulled from various squadrons and Luke is, in US military parlance, the Officer In Charge or OIC of Rogue Group. Once he leaves Hoth and rejoins the rest of Red Squadron he, once again, becomes Red 5 because Rogue Group has been disbanded once they leave their speeders and Hoth.
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Huh, I always associated the "Red 5" designation with the markings on the ship, and not with a code name like "Goose" or "Iceman" ...
Huh, I always associated the "Red 5" designation with the markings on the ship, and not with a code name like "Goose" or "Iceman" ...
Riceball
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Re: Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One
You mean like a tail number or nose number in the case of USN & USMC aircraft? That could be something but in the case of the US the aircraft number has nothing to do with aircraft's or pilot's call sign, a pilot always has the same call sign regardless of what aircraft they're flying and despite what you often see in movies like Top Gun, it's not their personal call sign which is more like a nickname, their call sign is based on the squadron name. While this is the way it is in real life it is known that Lucas' influence for the dogfight scenes were from WW II so it would stand to reason that his influence for the squadron names and call signs came from WW II and modern day protocols.
Btw, they're not code names, they're called call signs and are usually given to to pilots by their fellow pilots early on in their careers, usually as a result of something memorable (usually embarrassing) that they did. Like I said earlier, it's more of a nickname than anything official and is not used by air traffic control, FACs, or any other agency or aircraft outside of the squadron.
You mean like a tail number or nose number in the case of USN & USMC aircraft? That could be something but in the case of the US the aircraft number has nothing to do with aircraft's or pilot's call sign, a pilot always has the same call sign regardless of what aircraft they're flying and despite what you often see in movies like Top Gun, it's not their personal call sign which is more like a nickname, their call sign is based on the squadron name. While this is the way it is in real life it is known that Lucas' influence for the dogfight scenes were from WW II so it would stand to reason that his influence for the squadron names and call signs came from WW II and modern day protocols.
Btw, they're not code names, they're called call signs and are usually given to to pilots by their fellow pilots early on in their careers, usually as a result of something memorable (usually embarrassing) that they did. Like I said earlier, it's more of a nickname than anything official and is not used by air traffic control, FACs, or any other agency or aircraft outside of the squadron.
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