Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Post-release)

[G W Zipper]

The whole "let's steal the Death Star plans" mission seemed to be one improvisation after another. Leia (RIP Carrie, we love you) was only intended to retrieve Obi-wan to Alderaan originally. I think her ship ended up being the plan's escape of opportunity. Then, when she knew she was lost over Tatooine, she called another audible and employed R2 to get Obi-wan to complete the mission. Kenobi has to turn that mission over to Luke, who finally has to convince Han to rescue Leia and get the plans back to the rebels (not on Alderaan anymore, obviously). So, the plans, if you can call it that, changed many times before it finally saw its conclusion.

Regarding the rest of the rebel fleet, I'm certain they knew the coming battle would see the end of either the Death Star or the base at Yavin 4, with the latter being the more likely. The rest of the fleet and personnel not required to carry out the attack on the DS scattered, to fight another day in the event of their defeat at Yavin - only a handful of snub nosed fighters and the crews required to support them remained.

Interestingly, the mass assembled for the award ceremony following the victory at the battle of Yavin is much larger than anything witnessed prior, which I think can be explained by the reconstituting of the fleet that scattered after the battle of Scarrif. So, I like to imagine the whole rebel fleet orbiting above Yavin 4 at the end of Star Wars, off camera.

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[joshvanrad]

Just a big relay race...

Jyn to Raddus, Raddus to Leia, Leia to Obi, Obi to Luke, Luke to rebels.

 

[G W Zipper]

Just a big relay race...

Jyn to Raddus, Raddus to Leia, Leia to Obi, Obi to Luke, Luke to rebels.

Leia to R2, R2 to Luke (fail), R2 to Kenobi, Kenobi to Luke, Luke to Leia, Leia to rebels. Last two steps with big help from Solo and Chewie.

None of which was planned.

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[joshvanrad]

Big fail on my part. My family shall bear this shame for a thousand generations.

It is gracious of you to bring honor back to our state of MN.

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[G W Zipper]

Big fail on my part. My family shall bear this shame for a thousand generations.

It is gracious of you to bring honor back to our state of MN.

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Literally laughing out loud

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[JD]

I assumed the Empire's arrogance decided the Death Star needed no Star Destroyer escorts once operational.

You'd think they'd want Star Destroyers at the Yavin IV battle to pick intercept any fleeing Rebels.

 

[Laspector]

Okay, how about this one--if the star destroyer could track the Tantive IV to Tatooine, why couldn't they just track the rest of the ships back to Yavin IV?

Guys, I'm just throwing out stuff that crossed my mind. In all honesty I have no problem with the movie or any of this stuff. Just trying to keep the conversation going.

 

[firesprite]

Okay, how about this one--if the star destroyer could track the Tantive IV to Tatooine, why couldn't they just track the rest of the ships back to Yavin IV?

Guys, I'm just throwing out stuff that crossed my mind. In all honesty I have no problem with the movie or any of this stuff. Just trying to keep the conversation going.

Because no one in their right mind would be stupid enough to make a direct jump back to their super-secret base.... if it was even possible too, based on hyperspace routes.

 

[Jaitea]

Mr Plinkett has a few things to say about Rogue One:

I can't see their point in this

J

 

[G W Zipper]

Mr Plinkett has a few things to say about Rogue One:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY

I can't see their point in this

J

Huh. I get the point about characters a little. Having read Catalyst, I felt I knew a lot more about the Erso/Krennic/Tarkin dynamic, so I cared a lot more about them than I would have otherwise. Without the book, I get his point somewhat. There are a lot of characters being introduced, and without knowing anything about any of them beforehand, there's not a lot in the movie to pull you in to who they are and why you should care about them.

I also benefitted with knowing the story set-up prior, same reason. I disagree with his assessment of the story, though. Nobody expected them to blow up the Death Star.

Emotion? It had that in spades, assuming you cared about the characters. I did, he didn't. It's a silly rating system that has two pillars that are mutually inclusive of each other.

All this would have been helped dramatically with an opening crawl. I know people disagree, but I'll never shut up about this one. It needed it. For a lot of the reasons "Mr plinkett" said he didn't care for the movie.

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[Snikt]

After watching that review, it was spot on about a lot of things, mainly the likable characters and the motivations of said characters. To me there wasnt any emotion, and I didnt care when they all died. Im not saying it was bad, I just dont think it was as good as everyone says. As a Star Wars fan, I know why they were telling the story, but I wish there would have been a more exciting story to be told. We know they get the plans, we know they blow up the death star etc. Its like going into seeing the titanic and not expecting it to sink. I dont know, I guess I just expected more.

Where is @The Wook review?

 

[astroboy]

I fully agree with almost everything they say for both this and the force awakens (the plinkett review, not half in the bag)

But I think this is a much better film than TFA. I think it actually works as a movie

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[KrangPrime]

After watching that review, it was spot on about a lot of things, mainly the likable characters and the motivations of said characters. To me there wasnt any emotion, and I didnt care when they all died. Im not saying it was bad, I just dont think it was as good as everyone says. As a Star Wars fan, I know why they were telling the story, but I wish there would have been a more exciting story to be told. We know they get the plans, we know they blow up the death star etc. Its like going into seeing the titanic and not expecting it to sink. I dont know, I guess I just expected more.

Where is @The Wook review?

for me,

I admit to my views being dulled tremendously by the feig like statements put out by kennedy. before I Read that, I Was alot more gung ho. so my views may be sullied after that. but, unlike the other franchise, this one i was still determined to like because it was star wars.

Like you stated, I didn't care they all died. there where too many characters, and i'm not sure what most of them where even DOING There. All you really needed was the imperial pilot, the soldier, and jynn. maybe the droid. everyone else didn't really need to be there and the story was spread out too much as you had to learn about all these new one shot cannon fodder characters.

What they should have done was basically make this a heist movie. Set up with the fact that we know the plans are there. we know where they are, they just where not sure how to go in and get them.

this movie fails by disney being so afraid to do ANYTHING with the star wars franchise, they seem to be second guessing themselves with even the 'play it safe' stuff. add to that the feminism seeping in....and well, it's never a good combo for cohesive story telling.

I'm not feeling much hope for the future of star wars under disney.

 

[firesprite]

for me,

I admit to my views being dulled tremendously by the feig like statements put out by kennedy. before I Read that, I Was alot more gung ho. so my views may be sullied after that. but, unlike the other franchise, this one i was still determined to like because it was star wars.

Like you stated, I didn't care they all died. there where too many characters, and i'm not sure what most of them where even DOING There. All you really needed was the imperial pilot, the soldier, and jynn. maybe the droid. everyone else didn't really need to be there and the story was spread out too much as you had to learn about all these new one shot cannon fodder characters.

What they should have done was basically make this a heist movie. Set up with the fact that we know the plans are there. we know where they are, they just where not sure how to go in and get them.

this movie fails by disney being so afraid to do ANYTHING with the star wars franchise, they seem to be second guessing themselves with even the 'play it safe' stuff. add to that the feminism seeping in....and well, it's never a good combo for cohesive story telling.

I'm not feeling much hope for the future of star wars under disney.

Please stop referring to feminism as though it's a dirty word. If you don't like the movie, fine, you don't like the movie. Stop trying to make it because women are actually given some limelight.

 

[Toadmeister]

I'm not feeling much hope for the future of star wars under disney.

Contrast this with the larger population of fans really liked R1 and ask yourself why? What did Disney get right?

I'm certain Disney listening. I loved the film but understand some of the criticism.

I'm starting to think that there is No Way possible to make discerning fans and the general fans all happy.



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[Treadwell]

without knowing anything about any of them beforehand, there's not a lot in the movie to pull you in to who they are and why you should care about them.

By that logic, no new character should be created ever. All new stories start with zero knowledge about anyone or anything.

A movie, or a good one anyway, gives you just enough information to understand the context of things and moves on. And R1 does that. Okay, so a book gives MORE context. So what. In the film we are told enough.

 

[astroboy]

Please stop referring to feminism as though it's a dirty word. If you don't like the movie, fine, you don't like the movie. Stop trying to make it because women are actually given some limelight.

Wait...Are people actually using the word feminism in reference to star wars?

Seriously? I love that people are congratulating this film for being diverse. Well...Ethnically yes.

But there's still only one female character. (Of course, Mon mothma is still kicking around the franchise)

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[Jaitea]

Contrast this with the larger population of fans really liked R1 and ask yourself why? What did Disney get right?

I'm certain Disney listening. I loved the film but understand some of the criticism.

I'm starting to think that there is No Way possible to make discerning fans and the general fans all happy.



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I agree.....Star Wars fandom has broken into sections,....each seeing parts differently

Although I'm very positive that LFL & Disney know exactly what direction they should be going,...I'm sure by now they realise that they won't please all of the fans,....BUT.....generally it's a major success

J

 

[KrangPrime]

Please stop referring to feminism as though it's a dirty word. If you don't like the movie, fine, you don't like the movie. Stop trying to make it because women are actually given some limelight.

PMing you just in case you didn't see the topics before. I don't want to bring it up cause it gets deleted.

what I can say here, is that it's not ABOUT women getting the limelight. don't kn ow how many times this needs to be said. it's HOW it gets done that's the problem.

 

[KrangPrime]

I agree.....Star Wars fandom has broken into sections,....each seeing parts differently
J

I'm shocked that there are more Pro Prequel Trilogy people than I thought. and honestly the clone wars series being so damn good has turned me into oneo f them.