Rewatched Tron Legacy (ramble on)

[niennumb1]

Tron Legacy for me was one of the surprise films I absolutely loved for everything it is from start to finish.

Yes, some of the Clu stuff you can clearly see the CGI, but there were other shots that were scarily close to photo real it was insane. I think recreating human form in CGI is a VERY ballsy move, but I think, when in a digital world, I could accept this mostly. Some of the flashback stuff was a bit painful to see with how they chose to show that with whatever filtering they did in that greenish look.... looked a bit toony at times, but all things aside... I think this film is one of the most bad*** films I've seen in a very long time.

The teasers didn't strike me as too giddy of a reaction with how effects are just overly saturating films as it is, but as the film drew closer with more a deeper history and connecting that to this film just made it have a lot more potential. And then when I went to see it.... I felt like it was gonna be something special within 5-7 minutes in. When Journey started playing overhead in the old arcade and seeing all that again... holy crap. I can't tell you all the things that just made me REALLY REALLY love this film.

I so can't wait for Tron 3.

 

[JPolacchi]

Hmm....I need to mention specifics of why Tron Legacy was so bad? Geese...you don't know what you are asking from me because I'm bound to really hurt someone's feelings. I'll try to keep it as civil as possible but look, it has the very dull,predictable Hollywood Disney plot.There was nothing new added to it.It was virtually a carbon copy of the original, just flipped over on itself.

The only thing that was new (if you could state anything new about it at all) was the much improved CG, but that's all it was. It was one, long, BORING digital/CG film.I had to watch it three times to make it all the way through the film.I fell asleep twice trying to watch it.It also had a very rough/predictably put together ending. Dad sacrifices himself to save his son and the "EVIL CLUE" gets destroyed sending his kid and his new digital girlfriend back to the real world. Lame.

It was very obvious that the only thing Disney was interested in doing was placing the larger part of the budget into the CG and overall look of the film (which the directer admited to more or less in the featurette) and watered down the script to what it ended up being.Tron Legacy is a film in which Disney used the original to amp the hype up on making it out to be more than it was.A typical ploy that Hollywood studios have been pushing in order to recoup as much money as they possibly can on a DOG of a film and believe me, THEY KNOW when a film is doomed to tank.

So, that's my overview of Tron Legacy in a nutshell.I removed all the colorful metaphores as to not offend any Tron Legacy fans, but it really was a P.O.S despite the CG and the the new and improved sound.Its one of those "looks cool" but is really a pointless film with dull characters and nothing fresh or new added because they don't feel they have to.They are depending on "fans" to sell it for them (just like Lucas did with the Star Wars prequels).I don't know what the end box office earnings were for Tron Legacy, but I don't think it did as well as Disney was hoping and hopefully it will detour them from making a Tron 3 film.

 

[Larry Young]

I don't know what the end box office earnings were for Tron Legacy, but I don't think it did as well as Disney was hoping and hopefully it will detour them from making a Tron 3 film.

Yeah, I hate it when people get to enjoy things I don't like, too. It's like their fun is insulting me, personally.

 

[dbalschi]

I don't know what the end box office earnings were for Tron Legacy, but I don't think it did as well as Disney was hoping and hopefully it will detour them from making a Tron 3 film.

It made a worldwide total of $400,062,763 and they are already working on Tron 3 so for us that did like the movie I guess it didn't detour them from making a 3rd one which we will go see.

 

[CB2001]

It made a worldwide total of $400,062,763 and they are already working on Tron 3 so for us that did like the movie I guess it didn't detour them from making a 3rd one which we will go see.

You forgot to mention TRON: Uprising. I mean, if the film had been a bomb, I doubt they would do an animated series.

 

[Larry Young]

If Tron has to be explained to me like a lecture on Citizen Kane, then I feel it's missed the point.

I don't mean to dogpile, but between you saying Nick was giving you a textbook-type answer and answering me as if I was lecturing on CITIZEN KANE, I still hesitate to point out that both Nick and I summarized action, theme, and import for you in three sentences each. Hardly an academic lecture. :lol

 

[Nwerke]

Deter. Deter them. Just saying.

 

[JPolacchi]

Regardless...it still doesn't take much to impress audiences these days. Whatever the box office success (or lack of no matter what film it is), it still doesn't coralate with the films overall quality. Tron Legacy was a bad film that just had a big budget to spend on CG FX and Disney used its fan support/love of the original to hype it up,plain and simple.

I don't care if others like it.Not everyone likes the same things and some people like brainless eye candy for movie entertainment and that's fine.Tron Legacy (and a string of other big budget Hollywood films) is just another example of Hollywood and the corporate film industry's ability to push badly made films through and squeeze every last cent out of them that they can.To me, it kills the whole movie experience and cheapens it, like they didn't give a damn when they decided to make it.

If I had seen it in the theater I would have gone back for a refund after about 20 minutes. I rarely feel the urge to do that, but in recent years....you can't deney that the "so called" big budget films being turned out were the greatest and only a very small handful ended up being as good as anticipated.

For example, I really liked Thor and Captain America this past summer, but X-Men First Class sucked.I had'nt seen any of the other summer films this year, none sounded interesting.I can't think of anything last summer that stood out as being interesting or watchable...pretty much the last few summers have been bad as far as films go and only a couple come to mind that are worth praising and mentioning I.M.O.

 

[Wakeem]

I need to get my thoughts together on Legacy and read another thread. However, I have a question that I'm not sure about.

Is Clu some sort of linked copy of Flynn? There are a lot of things in the movie that would point to this being the case. But if is true, it also damages a lot of the motivations and intelligence of some of the characters. What do you guys/girls think?

 

[Larry Young]

What do you mean by linked copy?

 

[CB2001]

I need to get my thoughts together on Legacy and read another thread. However, I have a question that I'm not sure about.

Is Clu some sort of linked copy of Flynn? There are a lot of things in the movie that would point to this being the case. But if is true, it also damages a lot of the motivations and intelligence of some of the characters. What do you guys/girls think?

CLU in T:L is sort of a copy of who Flynn used to be, but is still a program nonetheless. Things that suggest this is that when Flynn created CLU, he does it with a panel that looks like a mirror, and it reveals CLU on the other side of the panel having been created. There is also the fact that Quorra and Sam don't trigger the floor lights in Flynn's hideout, that Flynn does this (when he turns around to see Sam) and CLU does (when he steps onto the panel after coming up the lift). Flynn himself says, "He's me." I think what many people fail to get is that the difference between CLU in the first TRON and CLU (aka CLU 2.0) in T:L is the manner in which they were created. The first CLU was created in a typical fashion, with Flynn on the outside typing in code and developing him. The second CLU was basically a copy of Flynn from within the computer system. I think that's why the whole "reintegration" bit was brought up, because of the fact that CLU mirrors Flynn's information so closely that if Flynn attempted to do so would have possibly destroyed both of them. But they are two separate sides of the same coin, two individuals that are separate from each other despite having almost the same personality. The difference between them was that CLU couldn't deviate from his main primary function (to create the perfect system) while Flynn could change his goals and priorities (he started off the Grid for one purpose {I think it may have been to develop it as sort of a sandbox program for everyone from scientists to high school students to use} and then changed his priorities when he discovered the ISOs).

It doesn't damage anything. It only shows that the only person who has no real clue about CLU is Sam. To Sam, CLU was just another program, something that could be shutdown and deleted from the outside. He didn't know how his father created him, only that he created him. For all Sam knew, CLU could have been programmed in the same manner as any other program circa 1989. If you feel it damages any characters motivations and intelligences, could you please point out examples of what you mean?

 

[niennumb1]

Hmm....I need to mention specifics of why Tron Legacy was so bad? Geese...you don't know what you are asking from me because I'm bound to really hurt someone's feelings. I'll try to keep it as civil as possible but look, it has the very dull,predictable Hollywood Disney plot.There was nothing new added to it.It was virtually a carbon copy of the original, just flipped over on itself.

You're right. I forgot that in the first film Kevin Flynn's Dad was trapped in the grid for many years prior and he had to go in and save Father Flynn. I believe his Dad originally got stuck in the grid playing backgammon with ol' Uncle Remis.


:cool

 

[Jannix Quinn]

The think that bothered me most wasn't the story, but the effects.

The original LOOKED weird. It had the whole blue glow happening and was nothing like the real world. Tron Legacy just looked like black rooms and black clothes with lights stuck on them.

 

[CTF]

Me?

I didn't like it.

I found myself extremely attracted to Quorra, though.

Seriously, I want her.

 

[CB2001]

Me?

I didn't like it.

I found myself extremely attracted to Quorra, though.

Seriously, I want her.

Go to your nearby Big Lots*. They've got T:L merchandise for sell. I picked up three of her for customizing purposes for only $4 each. You can have as many of her as you want. :lol


*Merchandise may vary depending on the store, as all Big Lot stores may not carry the same merchandise or do have it, but carry different items of said merchandise.

 

[niennumb1]

I wish they made a deluxe figure of Quorra. I am not a fan of those little 3" versions that have a helmet fixed on the head. It would have been smarter to have switch-out heads or something. The majority of the film showed her face and that's prominently what they should have done on the toy.

 

[CB2001]

I wish they made a deluxe figure of Quorra. I am not a fan of those little 3" versions that have a helmet fixed on the head. It would have been smarter to have switch-out heads or something. The majority of the film showed her face and that's prominently what they should have done on the toy.

Well, from what I've read, Spinmasters (the company that made the toys) had no idea about how little screentime the helmet had in the film when they made the figure. By the time they found out, they began planning a Series 3 line that would have included not only an unmasked Quorra, but a pre-Clu Coup TRON without helmet as well. But that fell through due to the decline in sales (who knows, they may resurrect the line due to TRON: Uprising).

However, a lot of fans of the film have actually replaced the head with other heads. I know that one of the most recommended action figure to use for a headswap is Irina Spalko from the Indiana Jones figure line, as the haircut is the same as Quorra's (some have said that by repainting the face with a lighter skintone, the face looks much younger). I know of others who have used other heads from the recent G.I. Joe line. In fact, one of the most impressive headswaps was using a Dusty head for a Sam Flynn custom. It looks pretty dead-on to the actor who played him. There's a whole topic about it at the Tron-Sector forum (I found out about it because I asked after I picked up a lot of T:L figures with the intention to customize from Big Lots).

In fact, I recently picked up another Quorra figure, to which I intend to create a T:L version of Yori. That's just one of the many customs I've got bouncing around in my head (most of them are simple headswaps, only a couple of them require major modifications).

 

[Laspector]

The think that bothered me most wasn't the story, but the effects.

The original LOOKED weird. It had the whole blue glow happening and was nothing like the real world. Tron Legacy just looked like black rooms and black clothes with lights stuck on them.

I agree with this. It just didn't LOOK right to me. That why I said earlier it could have just been another planet or something. It just didn't look like a computer world to me. EVEN THOUGH it was all cgi--yeah I know, I set myself up for that one...

And while the suits did look cool (for any other movie) I thought they just didn't work for this movie.

I kept thinking maybe if all the actors faces had been done like Clu's while in the system, maybe it would have lent itself to feeling more....computery..

 

[Deric]

I took the different look of the Grid to reflect Kevin's influence since he said he built a new one. The original in Tron was a corporate mainframe which may explain how stripped down it was (besides the obvious tech changes from then to now). Even when Alan was kicked out of working on Tron it appeared that it was a very locked down system. Kevin's was more "open source" which is what I think eventually led to the Iso's.

Just my .02

 

[micdavis]

I love Legacy.

There is a little glitch that keeps bugging me.

When they talk about Flynn, they mention his two most famous game programs as Space Paranoids and Tron.

Well Alan wrote Tron is it was NOT a game.

Just sayin'.

And the Soundtrack is awesome, first new soundtrack I have bought in 10 years.