Revolution

The Rock-a-who said:
I think the difference is believable entertainment science and rolls-eyes-too-far-fetched science.

The Core is an example of bad science to explain how things work. Rotating core stopped so we must nuke it? Inner core of huge diamonds? A phase-shifting train that can go through anything BUT said diamonds?

And there's Jurassic Park - sure now science is now saying it's nigh-impossible but when you watch it you think 'Hey, this could actually happen'

And sorry - Revolution to me falls into 'The Core' category right now.
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For me, Revolution falls somewhere in between the two, it's a bit of a stretch (even for TV & movies) but it's not quite so much that it's too much. But it's definitely one of those show where you can't think too much about otherwise you'll just find more and more wrong with the show and completely any enjoyment in it.
 
True. It's the individual's suspension of disbelief.

I know you and I have gone round and round on this. I know there are movies that are 'science-terrible' but I guess how it was presented or written, it doesn't bother me as much as other movies that are probably just as terrible. It's just how I am. Somethings I can overlook, others it's that one thing that bugs the crap out of me and can't get past (which I'm sure a lot of people are like that)

Revolution is just one of those for me that at this point, I can't get past.

Do I hate Revolution? No, or I would stop watching it. There's something I can't quite figure out why I keep tuning in every week and watch it (other than 'the wife likes it' :) )

Do I wish it would be canceled? No. I'm okay if it gets the sack next week, or goes on for 10 seasons. It really doesn't bother me.

And as for 'Hackers' - I thought it was bad and still feel 'Sneakers' is the closest so far of getting it right. :)
 
The Rock-a-who said:
True. It's the individual's suspension of disbelief.

I know you and I have gone round and round on this. I know there are movies that are 'science-terrible' but I guess how it was presented or written, it doesn't bother me as much as other movies that are probably just as terrible. It's just how I am. Somethings I can overlook, others it's that one thing that bugs the crap out of me and can't get past (which I'm sure a lot of people are like that)

Revolution is just one of those for me that at this point, I can't get past.

Do I hate Revolution? No, or I would stop watching it. There's something I can't quite figure out why I keep tuning in every week and watch it (other than 'the wife likes it' :) )

Do I wish it would be canceled? No. I'm okay if it gets the sack next week, or goes on for 10 seasons. It really doesn't bother me.

And as for 'Hackers' - I thought it was bad and still feel 'Sneakers' is the closest so far of getting it right. :)
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I feel pretty much the same as you about Revolution, I can't help but to keep watching for some reason. I definitely get the feeling that this show isn't going to last for more than one season and I can't say that I'll be really sorry to see it go, for me it's not one of those shows that had something going for it and just took a while to hit its stride or was screwed by the network. It's an interesting premise but I just don't think they're doing it justice but it's entertaining enough to watch, personally I thought that Alcatraz and Terra Nova were much better and should have gotten another chance and were canceled just as they were starting to get good.
 
The previews for this weeks episode look pretty exciting. I'm surprised how quickly they are moving through the plot. Maybe they realize they've only got 1 season to pull this off. So the question will be what will they do if they are actually picked up for another season? Will it be like Lost where the show completely changed once they got to the others's village? Their problem may be that theyll end up in a Jericho scenario where you've got the american civil war 2 between all the different republics. Problem is, while I would find that very interesting, I doubt the average NBC viewer wants to watch that.
 
Okay, officially it is a 'wireless battery' which is pretty unbelievable, but ah well. That still doesn't explain what is continually suppressing electrical power.

Damn, blondie is hardcore too.
 
What was with the hallucinations? They added nothing to the story and with all the space in those tunnels they had weeks if not months of oxygen.

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Kerr Avon said:
Okay, officially it is a 'wireless battery' which is pretty unbelievable, but ah well. That still doesn't explain what is continually suppressing electrical power.

Damn, blondie is hardcore too.
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NormanF said:
What was with the hallucinations? They added nothing to the story and with all the space in those tunnels they had weeks if not months of oxygen.

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I have no problem with the sci-fi aspect of a wireless battery. It doesn't have to make sense, I just accept it as a premise of the show. But don't ask me to believe that a massive subway tunnel system will run out of oxygen in a couple hours.

I was surprised to see Charlie pick up the crossbow. They seem to follow the same premise as most bad horror movies of leaving weapons behind. That said I'm sure that they won't bother to pick up the pistol and they'll continue on with no weapons except Mile's sword. But who needs a gun, a screwdriver seems to do nicely. :lol
 
NormanF said:
What was with the hallucinations? They added nothing to the story and with all the space in those tunnels they had weeks if not months of oxygen.

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turned it off immediately after that.
its one thing to make me believe that something supresses power, but another thing, that a system of subway tunnels runs out of air is just plain stupid.

it wasnt even sealed off, too. its like they are trying to count on stupidity of viewers.
 
vt357 said:
I have no problem with the sci-fi aspect of a wireless battery. It doesn't have to make sense, I just accept it as a premise of the show. But don't ask me to believe that a massive subway tunnel system will run out of oxygen in a couple hours.

I was surprised to see Charlie pick up the crossbow. They seem to follow the same premise as most bad horror movies of leaving weapons behind. That said I'm sure that they won't bother to pick up the pistol and they'll continue on with no weapons except Mile's sword. But who needs a gun, a screwdriver seems to do nicely. :lol
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly, there's no way that they'd run out of O2 that fast simply because one end of the tunnel is sealed, nothing more than made up drama.

I agree with the weapon thing, although with all of the militia troops they've killed I don't know why they've never picked up their weapons. Speaking of which, anyone else notice that as the series progresses the militia have gotten better armed? They started out running around with muskets making a big deal out of how over powered they'd be if ordinary citizens had access to modern firearms yet in the last few episodes every militiaman is running around with M4s and ammo to spare. What gives with that?

If they show a Munro invasion of the other territories using the pendant and the booster I'm expecting a lot more questionable things. I'm almost certain that they're going to be showing power going to more than the stated 1/2 mile and the Munro militia being far more effective than they ought to be. I suspect that the plan is that as soon as the booster is done all of the militiamen fall on their equipment and immediately start on the invasion despite that none of them have ever driven a car or tank, or flown a jet or helo in at least 15 years much done so in a coordinated manner and in combat no less but I'll be they'll all be experts at it like they've been training for years.
 
Riceball said:
Pretty much my thoughts exactly, there's no way that they'd run out of O2 that fast simply because one end of the tunnel is sealed, nothing more than made up drama.

I agree with the weapon thing, although with all of the militia troops they've killed I don't know why they've never picked up their weapons. Speaking of which, anyone else notice that as the series progresses the militia have gotten better armed? They started out running around with muskets making a big deal out of how over powered they'd be if ordinary citizens had access to modern firearms yet in the last few episodes every militiaman is running around with M4s and ammo to spare. What gives with that?

If they show a Munro invasion of the other territories using the pendant and the booster I'm expecting a lot more questionable things. I'm almost certain that they're going to be showing power going to more than the stated 1/2 mile and the Munro militia being far more effective than they ought to be. I suspect that the plan is that as soon as the booster is done all of the militiamen fall on their equipment and immediately start on the invasion despite that none of them have ever driven a car or tank, or flown a jet or helo in at least 15 years much done so in a coordinated manner and in combat no less but I'll be they'll all be experts at it like they've been training for years.
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And all the vehicles will magically work without having been serviced in 15 years, not to mention gasoline normally becomes unusable after a year because of the additives in it breaking down or the oil turning to gunk in the engines.
 
Wes R said:
And all the vehicles will magically work without having been serviced in 15 years, not to mention gasoline normally becomes unusable after a year because of the additives in it breaking down or the oil turning to gunk in the engines.
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There is definitely that but it's possible that Munro has been a busy little boy and has had his people maintain everything as he's acquired them but that doesn't account for the fuel though.

Thinking of it now, a half mile is an awful small space to keep a sizable invasion force to, esp. his air assets and unless he either has another pendant or plans on being right there in the thick of things, maintaining command and control is going to be hard. It also means that his armor commanders are going to be severely hampered by having to stay within half a mile of the booster and his recon assets will still have to do things the old fashioned way and send intel back by courier unless they're at the very front edge of that 1/2 mile.

Realistically, the pendant and booster only provide Munro with a short term advantage. Unless he's some sort of military genius that 1/2 mile radius would really limit the effectiveness of his vehicles, both ground and air, they'll only be able to move as fast as whatever is carrying the booster. The really big problem with the whole 1/2 mile thing is that planes would be effectively useless Munro's forces can manage to capture and/or establish airfields all over because once things get going the planes are always going to have to stay within range of the booster or fall out of the sky but they'll have to refuel at some time. That leaves his only real advantage with tanks and other ground vehicles and radios but all confined within a 1/2 mile radius and I don't think that you can cram enough in a 1/2 mile bubble to make enough of a difference.
 
Putting the amplifier in a helicopter that would give all of his airbrone assets a lot of capability. If he only has one, then that's the way to go as the helos can operate close together, cover a lot of ground, provide ground support, and move troops.
 
I can buy into the guns getting better as they get closer to Monroe. He is obvious paranoid and will want better arms to keep himself safe.

Most people do not know gas goes bad, so the writers won't say anything about that.

The half mile range makes the amplifier only slightly useful for weapons. You can send tanks or helicopters in as a scare tactic (shock and awe) or for reinforced troops. Missiles and some rockets will be limited to short range because they rely on electronics. Not to mention maintenance and training on these systems.

He would be better off using the amplifier for manufacturing.

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DoubleD said:
Putting the amplifier in a helicopter that would give all of his airbrone assets a lot of capability. If he only has one, then that's the way to go as the helos can operate close together, cover a lot of ground, provide ground support, and move troops.
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The 1/2 mile range would really only make the helos useful for close air support and command and control, they would only be of limited use for the troop lifting, logistics, and medevac role. Trucks would be able to carry more troops than a Huey could and move just about as fast and it's not like the helos could drop troops off all that much further ahead of the vehicles on the ground so the helos aren't able to bring anything from the rear to the front and vice versa which is why I say they're only really good for CAS and C&C.

A helo would be a good place to put the amplifier but it does make it an easy target. It's going to be either sitting still most of the time or moving very slowly to keep up with the troops on the ground which means that anyone with half a brain is going to realize that there's something special about that helo which means a lot of guns will get pointed at that helo and helos aren't very bullet proof. At even a half mile up it still puts just within .50 cal range with a couple hundred yards to spare and most definitely within 20mm and up range. Granted that the US doesn't really have any conventionally operated 20mm cannons in its inventory there still would be plenty of M2s floating around in the hands of rival militias and a .50 is more than enough to ruin any helo's day.
 
EyeofSauron said:
well, i guess most of you didnt see the trailers through yesterdays football games

monroe has a helicopter
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Pretty sure they showed that at the end of this weeks episode. I have also noticed they rearrange everything in their trailers so you think you are going to see one thing but the show is totally different.

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