Retrofiting a FX X-Wing, into a studio scale type peice

Discussion in 'Studio Scale Models' started by Skyler101, Feb 1, 2005.

  1. Skyler101

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    Heya Guys,

    I have been drooling over CCardboard's studio scape X Wing fighter, and I don't
    think Im going to get one, even if I auction off my kidney on ebay [​IMG]

    So I was lucky enough to pick up a Hasbro FX X- Wing, and while it is smaller than the CCardbord, I think its the best bet for me to get nice display going.

    I am thinking of basing it on the Icons model that was out a while back, with a Death Star base, which I'll scratch-build. I was also planing to do a complete repaint on the fighter, and try to get it to look really snappy. Right now it has the lame paper stickers, which look good form afar, but a little week up close.

    I was hoping that someone here would have some suggestions, or recommendations on how to super-detail this toy into a kick-* model. Any and all comments would be appreciated.

    And if anyone knows what the size difference from the FX X-Wing to the CC X-Wing, that might help with working out detail size...

    Looking forward to getting this piece done, it should become the centerpiece...

    -Skyler101
     
  2. maldoman

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    There is someone else doing the same kit. I don't remember the site I saw it on. I'll check on my computer at home and see what I can find. I don't think they were available yet. The new kit also had some small improvements over the CC one but nothing major.

    I think he may have bought the molds from CC himself but I'm guessing...

    Here is the site with the information: http://p208.ezboard.com/fmslz22modelsfrm7

    Toby
     
  3. Skyler101

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    Thanks for the link.
    I fired off an email about the kit...

    Tomorrow, I'll take some close up pics of the FX X-Wing, and post them up for suggestions...

    -Skyler101
     
  4. Watson

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    I believe someone on Starship modeler was doing one of these. I think one of the major changes made was the engine intakes. Apparently they are a little small on the FX model. That is about all I know. If you do get a CC X-Wing I can answer any questions you might have.

    JDH
     
  5. Treadwell

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    If you check the studio scale x-wing thread, there are some pics by boatbuilder, I believe, who used the FX fuselage for his studio scale X. It did require slicing and shimming, though, to make it the correct size.
     
  6. belleauwood

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    I started one of these a long while back and in the move to the house it was put in a box and on the back burner along with almost everything else hobby related. It was simply a “study” version for way back before the CC kit existed, something for me to work on without * up my Maxi-Brute, and get a feel for scaling, detailing, part size, painting etc.
    Remember, you can get “close” to studio scale with this, but the true purist will acknowledge that its not a “true” X-wing, which I do agree with. But, if you’ve got the time to sink but not the cash to buy the resurrected CC X, you CAN, IMVHO, get a decent *representation* of a studio scale X.
    What I did to get it “close” to studio scale size, though it was still too skinny as well as off proportion (ie, rear too long and yet not beefy enough, nose not “high” enough etc) was to “stretch” the after deck area (AKA R2 strip) long enough to fit the one Frank (Cerney1) had back then. I also applied a “wedge” to the front of the cut off nosecone to make it a bit beefier and filled that in, and made a plaster mold and then rammed bondo cast of my Maxi nose cone to give it a more beefier true “x” look. I scrapped the inlet intakes for the correct Saturn V parts, and placed those on a partially rebuilt wing with most of the “stock” details. Then, since I only had one set of phantom engines at the time and no master to cast like now, I used parts from the then plentiful on the clearance counter Anakins pod kit to replace those with something that approximated the look. If I remember, on that I did use a small portion of the FX’s part to “build it up” a bit,m along with some Sat V parts.
    As far as the required disassembly of the FX goes, it’s a *! If I remember right the wing/engine area was the worst. The one tool that helped me more than my x-acto and screwdrivers was a tool most home improvement places sell, it’s a “linoleum cutter”. Dang thing is sharp as heck (so be VERY careful) but nothing worked quite was well to cut the well bonded engine pylons apart at the bond sprue, not to mention the vinyl like engine thrusters etc. Just thin enough and long enough and curved enough to get in there and cut those sprues right in half. Wish I had a few of the pics of all the ones I took while I did this to post but those were on about 3 computers ago. Maybe I can see if I can find the box in the garage and get something up soon.

    I never did finish it, and maybe I should dust it off and start it up again to get warmed back up now that almost everything is done here at the house . . .

    Hey Boatbuilder, I remember you working on this awhile back too, it’d be interesting to sort of “archive” all of our approaches to this here in this thread since this question seems to come up about once a year.

    There was someone else working on this too if I remember right, hopefully theyÂ’ll post too.

    Anyway, Good luck Skyler!

    Ryan

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  7. boatbuilder1

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    yes I am still toiling away on the blasted thing
    basically I still need to produce masters for the cannons and then I am done if I had it to do over again I would just buy the CC kit
    the fuselage is the only piece that is usable and the canopy
    the rest it garbage. the fuzy has to be lengthened and widened
    and that is a dubious under taking
    the worst part is getting the canopy to fit after hacking it apart th best thing there is a vac formed copy or resin copy

    the wings and engines and r2 srtip are all scratch built as close to the studio kit as I could get

    ca
     
  8. bwize

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    skyler101, good luck. i to attempted to use the power fx toy as the base for a studioish scale. agreeing with boatbuilder, the fuzy is the only usable piece, but then after all, that is the center of the design. however, speaking from experience, it may be better to just get the newly reissued CC kit. it is a bit cheaper than its original run and in the end may well be less expensive than buying all the parts to even approach an accurate, kick-* model.

    However, that said, i believe if you put aside the desire to represent a super accurate model, you can make some strategic mods that will still create a kick-* model, albiet not accurate, but very recognizable as an x-wing. i think the most time consuming aspect is filling in all those * screw holes and play handle holes. i actually got very far along on mine before i came into posession of the CC kit. one thing i did notice is that it appears that the overall shape, especially the rear bulkhead, seems to relfect the large (4ft) filiming minature rather than the smaller studio scale that is so popular. i to was going to use anakin's podracer engines as they are deliciously detailed and very much in scale with the fx toy. i did purchase two saturn V kits for the engine housing and they are not cheap. you may be able to luck out and find a current rocket kit with fuselage halfs that may be usable or find half-round tube stock and detail it. i will try to take some pics of how far along i came to give you an idea. i settled from the begining that this was not going to an accurate representation, but would build into a nice model. after i bought the reissued kit, i am thinking i will go back and finish this one. i was originaly going to base it off the pre-production drawing on the cover of the art of star wars book. this worked great because the fx toy is about 15% smaller scale wise than the CC/studio scale and the saturn hulls is larger enough to appear huge like the pre-production pic. there is much, much more, but i have rambled on enough. hope your scratchbuilding skills are sharpened, your going to need them.

    best of luck,
    Bryan
     
  9. Treadwell

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    I still have my old Frank Cerney X-Wing parts kit available. It could be of use for your project: R2 strip, engine housings, engines, heat sinks....
     
  10. DARKSIDE72

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    Has anyone attempted to fix the CC x-wing kit? As far as the fuselage goes it's far too thin compared to the actual filming model. Just curious if any one has tried this?
     
  11. PHArchivist

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    Tread, are you still thinking about using thoses for anything...

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    I still have my old Frank Cerney X-Wing parts kit available. It could be of use for your project: R2 strip, engine housings, engines, heat sinks....
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  12. PHArchivist

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    I agree... Maybe not FAR to thin, but to thin, nonetheless...How could you fatten it up?

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    Has anyone attempted to fix the CC x-wing kit? As far as the fuselage goes it's far too thin compared to the actual filming model. Just curious if any one has tried this?

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  13. Treadwell

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    Tread, are you still thinking about using thoses for anything...

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    No, I ended up getting all the donor kits anyway, so these castings are up for grabs. PM if interested...
     
  14. PHArchivist

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    PM sent...
     
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    I agree... Maybe not FAR to thin, but to thin, nonetheless...How could you fatten it up?
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    You would have to add the correct amount of material to both half's of the fuselage, would be my guess...
     
  17. belleauwood

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    Ok, for those who want to get involved in the “size debate” of the FX vs the CC vs the Maxi-brute etc, here are some photos for your viewing pleasure. I’ll let each of these pics speak for themselves, but the size diff is readily apparent between all three to my eye. All length-based pics were taken at the same time with no fuse movement between, just some camera work. The butt plate shot is of all 3 plates to the same relative height. Basically, I tried to keep the distortion to a minimum to make these pics as helpful as possible.

    Note: all photos are hosted off-site and off wackychimp for details sake (theyÂ’re a decent size, but IÂ’m on cable so what do I know, dial up may be a pita) and may/may not be around forever. So, unless you have link problems in the first week or two after this post, donÂ’t email or PM me saying I have a bum link!

    Color wise is the best way to distinguish these apart. The white one is the Estes Maxi-Brute, probably the closets thing to “dead on” studio scale out there thought it does have its issues (butt plate shape way off, lack of detail, weird material, etc). The tan one is the Captain cardboard original issue. The dark gray/black one is my modified as in my above post FX, note especially the nosecone (where it picks up some serious length) is my modified ram-cast of the Maxi’s nose. Sorry, I don’t have another “for scale” FX laying around, but between the wing size pics, basic fuse details and the final photo of the intakes you should be able to see where you’re off proportion wise with the FX if fixing that as best you can is your poison.

    First up, overall the three X-wing fuse’s I have in my “collection”, along with a CC wing and a modified FX wing for scale.
    http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.comer/images/MBCCFX_Fuse_Wing.jpg

    Next, the 3 fuses alone.
    http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.comer/images/MBCCFX_FuseComp.jpg

    Next, detail of the 3 fuses from the cockpit forward from above.
    http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.comer/images/MBCCFX_Nose_Top.jpg

    Next, detail of the 3 fuses from the cockpit aft from above.
    http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.comer/images/MBCCFX_Aft_Top.jpg

    Next, a photo of all three rear butt plates and their relative size/shapes.
    http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.comer/images/MBCCFX_Buttplate.jpg

    Next, a close-up of the CC wing and engine structure against the FX wing and modified engine structure (Anakins pod kit supplied most of the “engine”).
    http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.comer/images/CCFX_Wings_Eng.jpg

    Finally, to show you how off-scale the FX engine intakes are, here the correct Sat V part against the FX scaled down version.
    http://home.comcast.net/~ryan.comer/images/SATV_FX_Intake.jpg

    Hope this helps someone out there.

    Ryan

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  18. PHArchivist

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    Those are FANTASTIC! I never realized how close the toy was to studio scale...

    Man if we had the Icons thrown in there, that'd really round it out. Don't get me wrong though -- what an AWESOME set of pics!
     
  19. PHArchivist

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    Is the gray wing in the first pic the FX wing? If not, how do the wings compare?
     
  20. PHArchivist

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    How much cheaper is it? Is it very different from the initial kit?
     
  21. Skyler101

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    Fantastic pics!

    This gives me a whole new appreciation for the FX Xwing, and while it wont be 100%, I feel it can be done..

    Thanks

    -Skyler101
     
  22. belleauwood

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    PH,

    The gray wing is the FX's, its a bit smaller than the CC, and the CCÂ’s still smaller than my "to 1/24 scale" photocopies of the X that shows the wing size wise as best as possible with the pics I have. I do have to remind you that the FX intake in the last picture shows just how far off "scale" that piece is, and I still need to modify the "wing block" under the intake to put in the missing facet. Also, remember too that I stretched my fuse by quite a bit, and also "wedged" the 2 halves toward the front to "beef it up" and so my quasi maxi-brute nose would fit.
    Not to rain on your parade, but it was a bit of work and I'm nowhere near "done". It is a * REALLY * modified FX at this point, so please keep that in mind when comparing them all. I wish I had a "virgin" FX to shoot next to all three, but I'm still tying my funds up on kits for future projects (Scored a 1/25 centurion just last week that could have brought me 3 FX's, but its all about priorities and getting things when you can for the best price possible). Also, the rear butt plate is the most telling to me as far as FX "weakness" shape and size wise, it clearly shows how the after-cockpit part of the fuse is way too thin, not to shape, etc. Just keep all this in mind if you try to tackle this at a later date.

    Skyler,

    I you go into it with that attitude,"This gives me a whole new appreciation for the FX Xwing, and while it wont be 100%, I feel it can be done.."
    and have fun, at worst you'll pick up some new skills you can use on the NEXT X you work on (TRUST me, like the rest of this hobby, they're addictive!) Like above, it’s all about what you want. If you want a true studio scale, this isn't for you. But, if you want something you can "bang out", have a big * X, and be proud of, then give this a go. Let me know if you need anymore help, photos etc. A bit of advice is to try and grab what pre-made details you can, such as Franks kit (see the old X thread) as it'd put you on a * good path. Note that the tan parts on my FX are mostly from that source, and were “cast offs” that Frank didn’t want to sell as part of his kit because they didn’t meet his very high standards and I picked up for probably the cost of his resin alone, and I’m pretty sure that boat has sailed long ago, but you could drop him a line and see if he’s got anything like that laying around still. And no, my FC master kit is not for sale, it’s hanging out in the same box as my Maxi and my future "ultimate X" project. FYI, original MSRP on those master kits was only a little less than the price the reborn CC is now selling for . . . so good luck finding someone wanting to part with them for a “fire sale” price, but they ARE worth it.

    Again, good luck


    Ryan

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  23. PHArchivist

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    Thanks BW!

    Yeah, my posting and my full comprhension of the posts here were a bit out of synch. After I posted, it dawned on my that the FX parts of yours were in fact modified...

    My dream plan (as I'm sure most of ours is), is to have a full fleet of wings, Red 1 through Red 5, with a less expensive alternative than dropping a grand on 5 CCX kits... But the work involved on the FX, factoring the less-than-perfect end result, eclipses the cost of the CCX in my book...

    Your insight and info has been wonderful!

    Thanks again!
     
  24. PHArchivist

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    Perhaps this thread should be archived?
     
  25. Lear60man

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    OK, here goes,
    I worked at Icons when we were developing the X-wing. Like the Fertility Doll at LFL, a few mistakes were put in to catch recasters. Bam, little did we know that Hasbro/Kenner would use our replica for their base molds. Their basis for the licence was that it was a toy and not a replica. And as one would guess the little mistake was there. With a proper paint job they make a great 'studio scale' X Wing. If someone emails me at Lear60man@aol.com I will send them a couple pics of one of the toys that we painted in house for fun. You will be surprised at how accurate it looks. Feel free to post them. I wold post them but I already used up my picture allotment here in the costume forum.
    Chris
     
  26. PHArchivist

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    I would love to see the pics. My email is Pharchivist@aol.com. I can post them, too.
     
  27. phase pistol

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    Here are Lear60man's pix, which he asked me to post.

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  28. ob1al

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    BUMPing this thread from the past - has anybody completed a conversion of a Power FX x-wing? Any pics or tips?

    I'm about to start work on one of these for myself so any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Al

    EDIT: Can someone confirm the above information - if I'm reading it correctly, the Icons x-wing was recast by Kenner as the basis for the Power FX version??
     
  29. Treadwell

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    That's the general thought. Or, at least, used for reference.
     
  30. ob1al

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    Interesting - thanks.
     
  31. ob1al

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    Here are a couple of pics of my Power FX x-wing, not yet modified in any way.

    Size comparison with a standard Kenner toy x-wing:

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    I'm planning a few mods and to make a 'Death Star' trench base for it. Although not quite studio scale, I think this makes a very nice display piece without spending a lot of money and time. The electronic features are a lot of fun, too.

    Definitely rates as one of the coolest Star Wars toys IMO, alongside the voice activated R2. :)

    Regards

    Al
     
  32. Lear60man

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    OBial email me at at lear60man@aol.com and put xwing in the supject line. Ill send you some pics of my converted potf xwing.
     
  33. Lynn TXP 0369

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    I would like to see pics as well please.
    email sent.

    Lynn
     
  34. Lynn TXP 0369

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    I emailed asking abot pics of your converted X-wing, I would like to see pics of this one to that you painted at Icons.

    Lynn
     
  35. ob1al

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    Lear60maN - email sent. :)
     
  36. Lear60man

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    emails replied to:) feel free to post the pics
     
  37. ob1al

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lear60man @ Apr 20 2006, 02:05 AM) [snapback]1229413[/snapback]</div>
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  38. TFrosst

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    Just caught this thread and want something cleared up. So the POTF X-Wing is cast off the Icons SS X-Wing? Are the above pics of the FX x-wing? Does anyone produce any parts to make the FX a bit more detailed/accurate?
     
  39. Aegis159

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    DOH. beat me to it.... NM..............
     
  40. gjustis

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    Apologies if this is a silly question, but I'm a silly guy.... :rolleyes

    Was an f/x tie ever released? If not f/x, was there ever a "toy" tie release in a similar scale?
     
  41. ob1al

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    It seems that yes, the FX x-wing was cast from or very closely modelled on the ICONS x-wing.

    The above pics are of the FX xwing, although the last set of pics show it with a custom paint job.

    I believe an FX tie fighter was released with larger scale wings, also closer to studio scale and much better than the standard toy Tie.
     
  42. Treadwell

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    They did improve the TIE bit by bit...first by releasing an Interceptor with a resculpted pod rear, giving it its engine rather than the old Kenner battery compartment.

    Then, as a TIE proper, they gave it properly scaled wings in a subsequent release.

    But there was never an FX Tie. No sounds or lights.
     
  43. ob1al

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    I stand corrected - as Treadwell notes, it's not an FX TIE - but this is the larger wing version I referred to:

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    Not wanting to drag this thread too far off topic, but I'd love to see some comparison shots with the original release TIE and a studio scale, for comparison. I'm not sure how undersized the large wing version actually is? I wonder if it is to scale with the FX xwing?
     
  44. Bryancd

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    We had a thread goin on this a while back. I bought this tie and repainted it and it looks great. It is in scale with the F/X and they look great together.
     
  45. ob1al

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    Sounds great - any pics you could share?
     
  46. Bryancd

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    I could do that tonight when I get home :)
     
  47. gjustis

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    Yes, pics = good good.

    The side-by-side is what I was getting at. ;)
     
  48. Treadwell

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    I don't remember who had the pics in that old thread...maybe they'll chime in.

    Verdict was that the toy is still a little smaller than studio scale. But now that it's proportioned correctly it looks great.
     
  49. ob1al

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    Great, I look forward to seeing the pics. :)

    I'm glad to hear that the FX x-wing and the TIE are in scale - I think I'll have to pick up one of the larger wing version TIE's after hearing that.
     
  50. Bryancd

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    OK, here we go. Here is the Kenner Y-Wing (lame, I know, but passable), the new large wing TIE with a light grey paint job, and the F/X X-Wing. I still need to make a stand for the TIE. They are all in approximate same scale based on the size of the figures, though we all know the Y-Wing is too small and narrow and too fat ;).

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    The TIE close up...

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    If you don't want to spend a lot of dough, these make nice almost studio scale display models.
     

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