Recast Raptor Alert

[Jestefarean]

Hi All, wanted to warn folks. Sounds like someone has recast my 1/24 Raptor. He/she is sellling them for $300 (more then I did) and without the same extras. Be warned, my kit had clear parts, special decals, and a couple tells I can recognize. I also know nearly everyone who owns a kit. If your being offered one and are suspicious, ask me. I post this mainly out of concerns of quality. I spent a lot of time on each of the kits and I would hate for some folks to think less of my work, when in fact its someone stealing my product and passing it off as their own.

 

[BarryZ28]

Man that's bullspit.
I hope you find out who it is and castrate them.
I never bought said kit but I did buy one of your Vipers and love it.

 

[Watson]

Jesse I am sorry to hear that my man. Nothing I hate more that a recaster.... :angry

Greg

 

[TheSt.LouisKid]

Who is the person who is recasting? If you don't want to say openly then please drop me a PM.

I have had my work recasted as well on several occations and I can appreciate your position.

How bad to you have to suck at model making to copy someones work?

Nothing says loser scumbag like recasting.

 

[Talisen]

Sad to hear that Jesse.

If you know nearly everyone who has a kit, can you narrow it down to who the culprit is?

 

[Tordoc]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Talisen @ Mar 3 2007, 12:45 PM) [snapback]1430849[/snapback]</div>

Sad to hear that Jesse.

If you know nearly everyone who has a kit, can you narrow it down to who the culprit is?
[/b]

Ask everyone who bought one to send you an email picture of their Raptor and today's newspaper. :lol

 

[cobywan]

The truth about recasters is that they are exploiting a market with the least amount of effort. That's the main reason I won't cast my own kits anymore. I'll leave that to the full time guys like Federation Models or Starship Modeler.

The danger of recasting sky-rockets when a kit is no longer available. It really does kill the ambition to do more kits.

 

[Jestefarean]

I don't want to belabor this, but I wanted to post this regarding the ideas of recasting and the whole whether your licensed debate. There are 2 crucial facts to me that I think some people are missing specifically if your defense is that I don't have a license to sell it, and thats true. I'm not arguing that. My points are:

1) People passing their work off as mine: This is my reputation on the line. If I made a fiberglass starship from scratch and said REL did it it would be no different. Its a lie and if the quality wasn't on par with RELs it would make him look bad. At the least they would have to say it's a recast not done by me for my concern to be obsolved. Think of it this way. What do I do when someone contacts me says they bought "my" model and several parts are all messed up and they want free replacments. If I don't supply the parts I look bad in their eyes, and even if I do their expectations of my QC go down.

2) Art in it's own right does not require a license and can be owned. I paid for masters of a model to be made for me. I have the right to do this and to own it. If someone copys it for profit I have just as much recourse to sue them as Universal would have to sue me if I were selling the ships without a license. (Universal would have just cause to sue the recaster as well for that matter) Think of it this way. You hire a painter to paint you an oil painting of the MFalcon. Someone digitizes it and sells posters. They wouldn't have the right to steal your property simply because you don't have a license. The argument of licensing is strictly between the license holder and ANYONE who is selling without a license.

 

[studioscale]

if you have no license to sell these you cant sue anyone for recasting any of your kits if the such kit resembles a known image so if you make a kit of lets say a "Enterprise NX-01" and you paid a pattern maker to make your patterns or even if you did them yourself and you then sell these kits its still wrong and a bootleg, first of all you had no permission to sell this garage kit anyway, and just like the saying goes if looks and walks like a duck it is a duck, if it looks like an enterprise nx 01 it is a enterprise nx 01, dont try telling the jury or a judge your kit is different, it wont work and you will loose.
not defending the person in question, but many of you think you "own" the rights to these kits your producing, get real. you dont. your making product of a copyrighted image and unless you hold such license your kit is not protected under copyright laws, your selling bootleg counterfiet items to begin with, so dont compare your bootlegs to "art", you will get in trouble if you continue to believe you will win this argument,

Just telling it like it is, simply calling your kit something else doesnt protect you in any court of law in the US.

 

[BrundelFly]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Mar 7 2007, 03:15 AM) [snapback]1433411[/snapback]</div>

if you have no license to sell these you cant sue anyone for recasting any of your kits if the such kit resembles a known image so if you make a kit of lets say a "Enterprise NX-01" and you paid a pattern maker to make your patterns or even if you did them yourself and you then sell these kits its still wrong and a bootleg, first of all you had no permission to sell this garage kit anyway, and just like the saying goes if looks and walks like a duck it is a duck, if it looks like an enterprise nx 01 it is a enterprise nx 01, dont try telling the jury or a judge your kit is different, it wont work and you will loose.
not defending the person in question, but many of you think you "own" the rights to these kits your producing, get real. you dont. your making product of a copyrighted image and unless you hold such license your kit is not protected under copyright laws, your selling bootleg counterfiet items to begin with, so dont compare your bootlegs to "art", you will get in trouble if you continue to believe you will win this argument,

Just telling it like it is, simply calling your kit something else doesnt protect you in any court of law in the US.
[/b]

That Might be true.
in fact......it wont stop me from beating someone's ass either.

Brundelfly

 

[imaginager]

:rolleyes

Glad to see you have a firm grasp on the patently obvious, Dan. Have you learned anything else? If not, I simply don't understand why you're here.

 

[Hand Solo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Mar 6 2007, 07:15 PM) [snapback]1433411[/snapback]</div>

if you have no license to sell these you cant sue anyone for recasting any of your kits... blah blah blah....

Yadda Yadda Ya Ya.. * snip *

Just telling it like it is, simply calling your kit something else doesnt protect you in any court of law in the US.
[/b]

I snipped your quote because:

1. Punctuation is your friend.
2. I DETEST run-on sentences.
3. You have no talent... and bottom feed from the real talent of others.

I'm just telling it like it is. Have a nice day.

 

[Commander Max]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Mar 6 2007, 08:15 PM) [snapback]1433411[/snapback]</div>

if you have no license to sell these you cant sue anyone for recasting any of your kits if the such kit resembles a known image so if you make a kit of lets say a "Enterprise NX-01" and you paid a pattern maker to make your patterns or even if you did them yourself and you then sell these kits its still wrong and a bootleg, first of all you had no permission to sell this garage kit anyway, and just like the saying goes if looks and walks like a duck it is a duck, if it looks like an enterprise nx 01 it is a enterprise nx 01, dont try telling the jury or a judge your kit is different, it wont work and you will loose.
not defending the person in question, but many of you think you "own" the rights to these kits your producing, get real. you dont. your making product of a copyrighted image and unless you hold such license your kit is not protected under copyright laws, your selling bootleg counterfiet items to begin with, so dont compare your bootlegs to "art", you will get in trouble if you continue to believe you will win this argument,

Just telling it like it is, simply calling your kit something else doesnt protect you in any court of law in the US.
[/b]

All this from a guy caught recasting a licensed product.
By this statement it looks like you should know better, Dan.
But do you? :lol
You really need to learn some basic writing skills.

Sorry Dan, in this day and age, you can be sued by anybody for any reason.

 

[Hand Solo]

Sorry Dan, in this day and age, you can be sued by anybody for any reason. [/b]

I'm suing him for flagrant abuse of the English language and wanton disregard for the poor readers forced to view his posts.

I'm suing him for brandishing a useless weapon. The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[MonsieurTox]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Mar 7 2007, 04:15 AM) [snapback]1433411[/snapback]</div>

if you have no license to sell these you cant sue anyone for recasting any of your kits if the such kit resembles a known image so if you make a kit of lets say a "Enterprise NX-01" and you paid a pattern maker to make your patterns or even if you did them yourself and you then sell these kits its still wrong and a bootleg, first of all you had no permission to sell this garage kit anyway, and just like the saying goes if looks and walks like a duck it is a duck, if it looks like an enterprise nx 01 it is a enterprise nx 01, dont try telling the jury or a judge your kit is different, it wont work and you will loose.
not defending the person in question, but many of you think you "own" the rights to these kits your producing, get real. you dont. your making product of a copyrighted image and unless you hold such license your kit is not protected under copyright laws, your selling bootleg counterfiet items to begin with, so dont compare your bootlegs to "art", you will get in trouble if you continue to believe you will win this argument,

Just telling it like it is, simply calling your kit something else doesnt protect you in any court of law in the US.
[/b]

The laws are something, ethics are other.

Maybe the guys who did a model kit (which is copyright) doesnt have the rights but he built the master, put lot of money and time on this. What does the recaster ? Only badly mold the parts done by someone else. No talent. No time spent to build the pattern. Only some RTV and poor resin.

You're right, the laws are the laws... But I could undertsand than you like models, right ?
And like everyone here, you like nice and fine models, right ? That's what you get from a talented guy who built his pattern himself. Quality. Crispy details. That's not the case of the recast models. And very often, the recaster sells the model more than the original modelmaker did. The buyer get a bad product for a higher price. Is it your interest ? Do you want to get @#$%. for thousand bucks ? Not me, sorry.

But as I said, you're right. The laws are the laws. But not only for models. Some monthes ago, someone did a site and boards, badly copying the StarShipModeler (SSM) (copying name and logo). That what a bad counterfeit since it was selling bad stuff (recast models) and I think the owner of this site would not win against a judge. Yes, StarshipModeler and the logo are copyrighted, and let's call a duck a duck, the name and logo of the site Im talking about was clearly copyied on Starshipmodeler.

All that to say that there on one side talented guys,making and offerring very good stuff for people wo cant do it by themselves, and on other few untalented guys who only put an existing model into RTV and poor resin. Nothing more.

I will dont lie, the first guys do it with passion. The second kind of guys do it for cash. $$

 

[Norman.D.Landing]

Interesting concept studioscale, but to be fair the actual issue here isn't copyrighting or licensing it's the blatant act of the direct casting from/off others hard work.

And if you can't grasp this basic difference there's not much hope for you :rolleyes

Oh and hello to all from newbie NDL B)

 

[ralphee]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(studioscale @ Mar 7 2007, 03:15 AM) [snapback]1433411[/snapback]</div>

if you have no license to sell these you cant sue anyone for recasting any of your kits if the such kit resembles a known image so if you make a kit of lets say a "Enterprise NX-01" and you paid a pattern maker to make your patterns or even if you did them yourself and you then sell these kits its still wrong and a bootleg, first of all you had no permission to sell this garage kit anyway, and just like the saying goes if looks and walks like a duck it is a duck, if it looks like an enterprise nx 01 it is a enterprise nx 01, dont try telling the jury or a judge your kit is different, it wont work and you will loose.
not defending the person in question, but many of you think you "own" the rights to these kits your producing, get real. you dont. your making product of a copyrighted image and unless you hold such license your kit is not protected under copyright laws, your selling bootleg counterfiet items to begin with, so dont compare your bootlegs to "art", you will get in trouble if you continue to believe you will win this argument,

Just telling it like it is, simply calling your kit something else doesnt protect you in any court of law in the US.
[/b]

Well Dan, you have now proved to me you have no clue about this hobby and its ethics.
Nobody owns the rights, you got that part correct, but ripping off another guys hard work, you would call that OK?
Of course you would, you do it all the time, how lame of me, not only do you rip off the garage work, you seem to think its warranted to recast licensed product too.
Just a quick question, are you mad? Its quite blatantly obvious you just dont get it as youve not really created anything yourself, nevermind had it ripped off by some pondlife with a cheap bucket of rubber.
Do let us know when you plan to release this studio T47, ill see if i can arrange a guy with the above mentioned cheap bucket of rubber to pay me a visit :lol

lee

 

[Hand Solo]

" Hey. What are you trying to push on us? "

" Disgusting creatures. I can't abide those Jawas... " ~ C3PO

 

[EchoLeader]

Dan is a recaster, plain and simple. He's not in it to learn or contribute anything. He's in it for the money and to rip off others, thats the bottom line. There are some on this board that received a PM from Dan trying to recruit talented artisans do join him in a venture with a veil attempt to make himself look legitimate.

Here's what he wrote us.

"Rolando right?

I am sending this pm to the following people to ask for assistance and become a united team for studio scale modeling.

I want to offer total control by everyone on the team if you choose to join in this endevour, I will not sell anything without approval from all members of this team.
I really like studio scale modeling and I am new at it as you can tell and it would be great to have all of you on this team. The team will have total 100% control of what is posted and offered I will not ask for any funds or profits from any of you, I stand only to gain my knowledge and friendship.
We all know I screwed the site up but with assistance we as a team can build a great site in this subject. Everyone of you would be site administrators this goes for the site contents and if a forum was created you all would be set as site administrators with total control over what is posted or deleted, not a moderator but as site administrators, I dont think this has ever been done before and we can make it happen. I sent this same pm to the following people Mike Salzo,Ralphee,Rolando,Jerry,Andrew Thorne,Steve Neisen if you have any suggestions or want to join the "dream" team is a way to say it all your customers will know to go to either buy your item (i ask for nothing in return.) I will pay for the hosting of the site and the team decides what is sold or not sold.
I own several domains and we as team can open it up with a new look and with a new atmosphere here are the domains that can be considered.
studioscalemodeler.com
studioscalemodeler.net
studioscalemodels.com
studioscalemodels.net
studioscalemodeling.com
studioscalemodeling.net
I own all 6 of these domains and the new site can be opened under any one of these at my expense but with your knowledge and your assistance.
Please discuss this amongst yourselves and let me know, I am open to all suggestions.
I want to say I am truly sorry to you Mike and I made that publicly known of this appology.
Sincerely
Dan "

 

[Jestefarean]

Editing my post. Decided I'm either preaching to the choir or its fallen on deaf ears.