Rebuilding AMT/MPC Millennium Falcon Again

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  1. ozzyguanche

    ozzyguanche Sr Member

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    Hi guys,

    Seeing all these Falcon builds all over the place including the group build over at SSM, and SMA has enspired me to revisit my own AMP/MPC build.

    Soooooooo, I am going to pull it apart and rebuildt it better, correcting areas others have pointed out and areas I am not happy with.

    My question is: I need for this thing to come apart without destroying any good parts I wish to use again. The glue I used is a "cyanoacrylate adhesive" I once took apart a model I was working on "Slave One" with oven cleaner, the cleaner took off the paint and the glue, but I was using different glue then. And I also didnt have scratch bits made from styrene on that one.

    Will oven cleaner hurt the styrene? will it work on the glue? anyone got other suggestions?

    I would realy like to be able to get off some of the finer detail. If not I will start from scratch. Here is what detail I am working with.

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    Thanks in adavance

    Ozzy
     
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  2. JMChladek

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    How good are the CA glue joints? If a lot of glue was used, it might be a problem. Oven cleaner I don't believe will attack the styrene, but it likely won't do much to the CA glue either. You could try CA glue remover, but seeing as how this model was built over a year ago, I don't think the remover would work as it only best works with freshly applied CA that hasn't fully cured.

    One trick you might try would be to freeze the model. This can make the glue joints more brittle and easy to pop apart. CA glue is typically strong in one direction. Give the part a good side knock and sometimes you can break the joint. Be aware though you could be in for a fight on your hands as if this was glue VERY well, it may not want to come apart so easily.
     
  3. robn1

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    My recommendation would be to start with a new kit. Taking this apart now seems like a lot of work.

    And why? This was looking pretty good to me. Paint it as is and consider it practice for the next one.
     
  4. crackerjazz

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    Hi Ozzy, which sections are you going to re-work? Maybe take a flathead screwdriver and hammer to it but protect the part with some tissue paper. I used CA on my Falcon too and have had to break the hull apart several times using a chisel blade and a small hammer working in small sections at a time. The fastest way for me was using something oval shaped, twisting it between the overhangs using short sudden movements.

    But as the others have mentioned that's too nice a Falcon to rip apart!
     
  5. ozzyguanche

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    Hi guys,

    Thanks for the advice.

    I will still go ahead with the de-construction, as my main objectives are to:

    1/Make the engine deck one removable piece, for wiring access etc & detail.
    2/The docking rings 3 pieces. Should fit over original AMT without cutting.
    3/Side walls, mandible walls seperate pieces (larger parts like Wankel engine seperate from main finer detail.
    4/Resized cockpit tube and canopy 2 piece and able to be placed over the original AMT piece.
    5/ Sand down the tubing details on main hull and replace with copper piping (Or just gaged wire)

    To do this I need 2 kits, and a head start with the stuff I think is correct on the first falcon. Other wise the way I build, it will be another 5 years before I get anywere.

    I will stick it in a plastic bag with oven cleaner today and leave it in there for a few days, to see what happens. Alternatively i have contacted a friend who is an industrial chemist (used to be planning manager at battersea power station till it closed). If he dont know what to use then no one will.

    Thanks again

    Ozzy
     
  6. robn1

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    If you use oven cleaner check it daily at least. It may affect the plastic with prolonged exposure, but it will remove the paint long before that. Things like acetone will remove the CA well enough, but they'll melt the plastic too. Try Z-7 Debonder, it was made for use on plastic kits.
     
  7. ozzyguanche

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    TKS,

    Its in oven cleaner at the moment, will check every 12 hours.

    Ozzy
     
  8. ozzyguanche

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    Re: Reconstructing my now Deconstructed Falcon.

    All pulled apart now.

    I am going through what is usable and what I wish to rebuild better. Its not going to 100% accurate as I will have build most by scratching it but it will be closer than my first attempt.

    The wankel engine is the first I am going to work on as it is the most identifiable part on the ship.

    Heres a few pics of the deconstructed falcon, and the parts box.

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    I have started on the Wankel engine and sorting the parts I will most likely use again. I know I have the 10a Rotary engine part the right size, so its from this I will scale everything else.

    Bits and pieces (Lost a few small bits in the sink when washing it, ohh well)
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    Some parts wrong size,

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    Its going to be long process, but I think it will be worth the long hall.

    Ozzy
     
  9. Junk Pilot

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    *, that looks like it was a brutal process. Can't wait to see the reconstruction pics.
     
  10. Scratchy

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    A Phoenix is about to emerge from the ashes:thumbsup
     
  11. JMChladek

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    "What a piece of JUNK!"

    Come on, SOMEBODY had to say it. ;) I am glad the disassembly process went more trouble free than I was fearing it would.
     
  12. ozzyguanche

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    I was expecting it from someone LOL.

    Thanks guys.
     
  13. Tsophika

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    What brand of oven cleaner did you use, if you don't mind me asking?
     
  14. Luke Skywalker

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    Re: Deconstructing My Falcon

    "She'll make point five past lightspeed. She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid. I've made a lot of special modifications myself. "

    I look forward to checking out updates to your project.

    One day I might try to build one.



     
  15. crackerjazz

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    Ozzy, what is this!!!??? What happened to the ANH Falcon that inspired thousands??? :) No, I'm sure you can bring her back to life. And great job on that engine!
     
  16. ozzyguanche

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    Tsophika, its called "Easy off Oven" its an Australian brand so may not be available were you are. It wasnt that good anyway, as I had to spray it three times. I am still getting paint and glue parts.

    CJ, I did consider your offer in PM, but I was so unhappy with the falcon I would have been embarrassed for anyone to have it. And I have made some progress on the larger Wankel, but I wont show pics till I am happy with it. Its harder making it larger than smaller for some reason.

    Scratchy! may need some advice on small scale scratching and casting. Am looking at casting some bits that repeat over the ship. I purchased a small kit for casting, but it works by weight not volume, is this normal?

    Thanks for looking guys.
     
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  17. JMChladek

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    Easy Off is a pretty common brand internationally. The current stuff as I recall is a bit dilluted from what it used to be as that stuff can be pretty nasty (since it has lye in it to break up stuff in the oven).

    Don't doubt yourself Ozzy. As model builders, we are our own worst critics. I've done stuff that I thought was crap when others have said it was the greatest thing they had ever seen. The trickiest bit is deciding when one has done enough as opposed to too much. I'm sure you will end up doing a good job.
     
  18. Captain Han Solo

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    Ozzy!
    Glad to see you at it agiain my friend!
    Haven't started mine yet, So I will be following your build with much interest!!

    If you do end up casting your parts, Im In mate!!
     
  19. clactonite

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    Looking foward to seeing this re-build,

    Clactonite
     
  20. ozzyguanche

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    This time for sure. It will be no were near the quality of other kits being produced by other TRF members, as I am just a backyard glue snifer, but I will do the best I can, so we can see more 5 foot versions out there.

    One thing I have noticed about forums like this. People take a project that is cast and they make there adjustments and improvements. If I can get it started, and people share what they can improve on what I do, there should be some amazing AMT falcons built.

    Thats the dream!! and maybe I am dreaming, but I will give it a crack. Need your imput bud!!.

    JMChladek thanks for the encouragement. I have followed many of your threads, love ya work.

    Thanks clactonite.

    I have made the second half of the Wankel engine, and made sure it fits on the AMT shell, will upload pics tonight if I get a chance. Next I will pic through the good and the bad parts from each side wall.

    Ozzy
     
  21. jedimaster

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    Ahh .... The old "Easy Off Falcon" method. **** man you really like punishment don't ya. Good luck mate though I don't think you'll need it.

    Simon.
     
  22. Jedi Dade

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    For god sakes when you get the subassemblies together drop it into some RTV!

    If you are no good at casting I'll put my meager skills at casting to it :) Just mail it to me and I'll give it a shot :D

    (fighting the darkside urges to keep it of course)

    Looking forward to seeing it come back together :)

    Jedi Dade
     
  23. Captain Han Solo

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    Ozzy, by far your take on the ANH Falcon IMHO, has been the best:thumbsup
    I don't know what I can do to help ya mate, But we can see..
    Love the ANH Falcon..My favorite version of the ship..I remember seeing it on the screen the first time way back in 1977..Love at first site!
     
  24. ozzyguanche

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    Thanks Jedimaster, the work you guys are doing on the part id's is helping a lot. I can find scans and detail parts a little more.

    Jedi Dade, I may take you up on that. I will have a go at casting some small repetitive parts and see how it turns out. But I think I will need help casting it all together. RE: side walls as maybe one or two pieces. etc.

    Beatle, I need your advice on optics and lighting. Was never mappy with the lighting i did. Yours was spectacular.

    Just to show I am working on it, I have stollen "Rodmarts" charts andam using them for scale and placeing parts. I found a few parts that acualy match the scale. Not spot on but with a little resculpting will work great.

    [​IMG]

    Ozzy
     
  25. jedimaster

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    Many Bothans died to bring you those plans....
     
  26. ozzyguanche

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    And with my life I protect them!!!


    Ozzy
     
  27. hemrie

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    Can't wait to see the progress on this one.
     
  28. astroboy

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    there's nothing more satisfying than seeing a really sweet mpc falcon build-up with well done side walls and a great paintjob
     
  29. Jedi Dade

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    so Ozzy - Any progress?

    Jedi Dade
     
  30. ozzyguanche

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    Hi JD,

    Yes I do have progress, but only bits and pieces here and there. I thought I would wait untill I at least had an area to show, rather than individual bits. I need to settle on one area and concentrate on that for a bit I think.

    I have also been trying to find some donor parts, but It seems nothing works out to the correct scale. the 1/144th tank kits. (I found one localy) are just too small. They look wrong. So it looks like I will scratch most of them.

    Although a talented member here on RPF has offered some castings for me to work with that he did for his own falcon, which are outstanding. They will make short work of the engine deck.

    I am also cutting the falcon body up, so as to make the engine deck a seperate peice, to be removable.

    I will take some pics this weekend, to show you the mess??

    Ozzy
     
  31. Jedi Dade

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    I picked up one fothe Dragon can-do tigers and cast it up then cut it up and it fit perfectly on the rear engine deck... almost the exact size of the flat blob of crud that on the original kit, only this had a much of detail :thumbsup :)

    They are all over ebay... I'm surprised an actual 1/144 kit would not fit...

    you do need to keep the beveled sides - well part of them. I remeber sanding the thickness down so that it was all the right height, but after that minor bit it looked perfect. of course you're a pretty good scratcher so you're will probably look just as good :D

    Jedi Dade
     
  32. ozzyguanche

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    The one Igot was "tanks of the world" series. It fits as you said in the "crud" area, but its exactly the same size as the FM falcon part. And the FM is just that smaller than the AMT. I can see the difference, but I suppose it will do If I can not scratch it to say 1/140. Ya ya, I know the 1/04th is hardly worth it, but it just dont look right. I suppose thats why I am not getting anything finished LOL.

    I have got one thing 95% finished, the iner Mandable. It only one side and I plan on trying my hand at casting, so I will cast this and make the different one on the other side. The gun in the middle is something a member here cast up/sculpted, so its there for the moment only untill I get permision to use it or I can make anotherone.

    The F1 wheel has been a nightmare as well to get the right size and height.Now I find there are two different ones on the back engine deck Ahhhhhhhh.

    Anyway. Heres something thats almost finished. I should be able to show other areas I am 50% finished in the comming week.

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    What do you think???

    Ozzy
     
  33. Scratchy

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    *ALWAYS WEAR SAFETY GLASSES AND GLOVES*

    I've always worked by weight. I use a small old kitchen scale and medicine cups to pour my two part resin into. Stir with a small wooden stick, then I utilize a plastic syringe, filling what I can, and taping out the air bubbles.

    I should let you know, I don't have a pressure pot.

    Before all this, I dust my molds with Talcum Powder using an artists fan brush, enabling the resin to flow into the really tight detailed areas. I have a plastic tray with T.P. and I just lay it on the molds, then I flip the molds over and spank the backside, getting rid of the excess T.P. back to the tray. Once the molds are prepared, I piece them together with rubber bands and I inject the resin. I try to have extra molds of various subjects set aside for any extra resin that I can use up that's in the syringe.

    With areas that give me air bubbles, I'll punch a "vent hole" into the mold, just to eliminate the air pocket.

    I hope this helps.

    scratchy

    P.S. PM sent
     
  34. jedimaster

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    Hey Ozzy , looking good mate. I was watching the blu ray extras disc again yesterday. And low and behold sitting on a shelf in the archives inside a plexi case was sitting an MPC falcon. So technically it was screen accurate until you started this. Week worth the effort though.

    Simon.
     
  35. crackerjazz

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    I wonder if it was ever used on-screen. Was the view clear enough to show whether they corrected the engine deck and sidewall height? I guess ILM can build anything and make it look like a real prop. They can work magic on anything.

    Ozzy, amazing Chevy chassis.
     
  36. ozzyguanche

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    Thanks guys, and PM sent scratchy.

    An AMT was used in ESB and ROTJ, can't remember what sceens that was in though or if it even made it on screen. I have feeling it was used somewhere in the asteroid scenes in ESB and in the non used sand storm scenes in ROTJ. From what I remember it was not modified in any way. Hence Simon is correct, a stock AMT is actualy studio scale prop. lOL.

    Anyone confirm.

    Ohh Crackerjazz, I have not given up on the Wankel engine has brow size yet either.



    Ozzy
     
  37. jedimaster

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    Couldn't make out any extra work done as it was a side view partly obscured by another model but the sidewalk height was not adjusted. That was the giveaway. The rear starboard side wall panel was removed and replaced with wood. The wood has holes/ mounting points in it. I'll take a pic tonight.
     
  38. Scratchy

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    I'm not 100%, but I believe it was an MPC Falcon hanging from the Medical Frigate in ESB.
     
  39. Jedi Dade

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    I'm pretty sure the stock kit did nto see any screen time. I know they used it in the anamatics where they were trying to lay out the shots in pre-production... but nothing on the screen.

    Sctachy - the one under the frigate was one made custom for that shot and was around 10 inches... here's a pic of it I took at the MoM in brooklyn a ways back...

    http://www.studioscale.com/images/reference/Falcon/5Foot/Frank Wire/images/P6130234_JPG.jpg
    http://www.studioscale.com/images/reference/Falcon/5Foot/Frank Wire/images/P6130235_JPG.jpg
    http://www.studioscale.com/images/reference/Falcon/5Foot/Frank Wire/images/P6130236_JPG.jpg
    http://www.studioscale.com/images/reference/Falcon/5Foot/Frank Wire/images/P6130242_JPG.jpg

    in the background you can see the 5 footer from ANH redione as it looked in Jedi :)

    Ozzy:
    the inner mandible looks awesome man.

    Jedi Dade
     
  40. Scratchy

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    Is it my server, or are these pics not loading for everyone else?
     
  41. Jedi Dade

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    the site seems to have taken a dump after I poasted the links... strange.

    I have them on my Hard drive if needed... hopefully they will be able to sort it out soon... I love that site :)

    Jedi Dade
     
  42. ozzyguanche

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    Nope still takin a dump!!!
     
  43. Captain Han Solo

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    Looking Good my friend!

    Just sent you a PM!
     
  44. jedimaster

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    Sorry about the lousy pic but it's on my cinema screen taken on the iPhone. I ran out of time.

    [​IMG][/IMG]
     
  45. robn1

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    That one was about half the size of the MPC. My guess is the MPC was used for video-matic previews.
     
  46. yuumi2891103

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    Awesome !
    I love to see the work of good hands.

    It was more than 30 years ago when I built this MPC Falcon.
    That was a simple straight build and paint but I put a large Toshiba circle fluorescent lamp inside and lit the thruster LOL. 30 years ago:lol
     
  47. Jedi Dade

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    seems like the site is back up - at least for me... :)

    Jedi Dade
     
  48. ozzyguanche

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    Hi Guys,

    Ok! I have been working on some parts that are repetitive around the falcon. I have been trying my hand at casting and have had some big failures, and a few succeses. So with the failures, I have been putting together some mock ups of those repetitive areas.

    First to continue with the mandable area, is the inside mandable, finished. A few added details, and I think its enough.

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    Next is the top and bottom plates of the ummm, hmmm "what do you call it". I start to make the base plate for this as well, but decided if I keep on building everything then its not realy an AMT re-build, so i am going to use as much of the original kit as I can, and whatever can be cast up as parts can be used by others to enhance/upgrade their AMT/MPC falcons. All I did with this section was cut the midle section out, and sand back some of the raised detail, leaving some relief to see. I only have done the one side so far as I had to make sure it fit. Need more detail, or is this enough. Keep in mind I am not trying to achieve Fine molds level of detail. Just enough to stamp it 5 foot recognisable.

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    Ok and so with some of the same parts, here is the repeat in another area. Side wall. right?

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    Repeated again on the other side: Mirror image though.

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    The same parts are also in the triangle access bay, with additional piping, so when I get the casting right, that will nock a good section of areas off my list.

    Ok some small section of the parts above are also seen on the engine deck. I have done some work on the deck, but not ready to show yet as I am not 100% happy with it, but these sections (I may have a better replacement for the hummel part) I am happy with.

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    I am trying to make the sealab parts next. Hope to be able to add them to the casted list soon.

    Thanks for looking

    Ozzy
     
  49. jedimaster

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    Mate that is amazing work. Trying to replicate something like that from the five footer is a *****. And to do it in that scale must be even worse. Excellent job on the Jaw Plate my friend. lotta work for a little bird..... Hats off mate.
     
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    I am blown away. Makes me feel like I'm taking the easy route, quite seriously!
     

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