Reboots - the good, the bad, and the ugly

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  1. KrangPrime

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    what reboots did you like? what do you think they got right?
    What reboots do you hate? what do you think they got wrong?

    for me...the ONLY reboot I think got everything * near perfect was the 4Kids TMNT reboot. done by Peter Laird, and a staff that truly loved TMNT..and it showed. about the only problem I had with it is Kara. she REFUSED to choose a side. ally with the TMNT, or stick with Ch'rell. it made her rather annoying, but I still liked the character and thought it was awesome when she took up the mantle of Shredder. a female shredder works when done right.

    Oh, and He-Man 2002. A show I wanted more out of....but cartoon network killed.

    The stuff I have problems with.
    Knight Rider:
    A show that didn't know what it wanted to be. it ignored the classic theme song that veered into something a bit more suited for californias bay watch. it had a cop with a sub plot that got dropped in the pilot. it had a lady lead who wasn't a tech like bonnie iirc, and nowhere near as interesting. same goes for the new Devon..completely boring. the show seemed to have a soft reboot in the premier. with characters dropped and new ones added that you don't care about. they turned karr into a transformer, but at least they got the original voice back. there was no history with the old show connecting things together, so missed nostalgia factor. just like most reboots, this one didn't know what it wanted to be.

    Thundercats 2011 -
    I am torn on this show. I like the cast, even if lion o sounds like batman too me (cause he is and the guy only does one voice). They got some things right (Berbils, slythe...) but many more things wrong. They kept the Thundercats on Earth because of the no technology sub plot. I actually kind of liked the no technology plot. but the Thundercats where never really shown to get better at it. they just kind of had it handed too them. Then they kind of retconned it midway through the series, showing them as a space faring race working for mumm-ra, complete with Feliners. A stupid love triangle between tygra and lion o and cheetara. when in the original series, it was hinted that cheetara and lion-o might hook up once. They turned tygra from a thinker who's not very confident in some areas, to a brash fighter with a laser pistol. I like that they introduced Vultureman as a king of his race, of sorts. in the original series, he just kind of appeared. They got Mumm-Ra the most wrong though. they made him weaker and far less cooler by making him reliant on technology and giving him wings to fly. he doesn't even use or need magic anymore and they could have easily made him an alien. Also, the sword of omens. this series used the 'make them wait for it' angle, where the original series explained everything in the first episode. as a kid, I never got tired of it. in the new series, I wanted to know 'when are they going to explain what the sword does?' 'does it have the same powers?' 'why are the fights with mumm-ra so boring?' 'where is cheetara's super speed?'

    It looks like thought and care went into this series, after dozens of failed attempts (third earth rock band where humans turn into the thundercats via the sword of omens) but they seemed afraid to touch on the more mythical aspects and fun aspects of the series....and tried to be too serious to boot. They also made the thundercats out to be jerks, except Lion-O. i didn't feel sorry for them when their city got destroyed. why is it so bad to have all the characters be gung ho good to the point of cheezy? seeing the thundercats stick up for everyone in the original series no matter the problem was heartwarming.


    so, what do you think reboots of the past got right? what did they get wrong?
     
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  2. Riceball

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    The best reboot I've seen so far, that I know of, has to be Yamato 2199, an overall very faithful adaption of the original Yamato series but updated at the same time.
     
  3. SmilingOtter

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    As bad an idea as I thought it was beforehand, I was really impressed with the remake of True Grit. I won't go as far as saying that Jeff Bridges was better than John Wayne, but IMO Bridges had better costars.
     
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    "True Grit" was excellent, but as good as Hailee Steinfeld was in that film, I prefer Kim Darby's tomboy.

    The only reboot I have strong feelings about is NuTrek. I wish it had never happened. It makes me angry.
     
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  5. AJTaliesen

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    I thought this thread was going to be about remaking the Good The Bad, and the Ugly, Clint Eastwood movie.

    I'm glad it's not.

    Also, I prefer the original True Grit.
     
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  6. Laspector

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    I have to agree. Give me the original True Grit. I thought the remake was AWFUL!!. Both Jeff Bridges and Matt Damon are great actors, but in this they were terrible. Since the script is almost word for word, it's like they tried so hard to not use the same inflections made by Wayne and company giving their lines, all of it seems way forced to me.
     
  7. dascoyne

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    True Grit the original and the reboot both have something special to offer. I don't think they can nor should be compared. The Duke's unforgettable presence and performance - especially with Kim Darby are the core of the original. It's an overtly sharp character study.

    The reboot also has solid performances but it's an entirely different kind of movie. Bridges doesn't have the bravado of The Duke but his Cogburn is a hard, weathered and tired soul who communicates an incredibly deep unspoken affection for the girl. It's a powerful and unforgettable film in its own right - a much subtler take on the subject.





    That aside I think the absolute best reboots are reboots of B-films. There's no better example than John Carpenter's The Thing.
     
  8. Snikt

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    dascoyne There were 2 movies I thought of, The Thing, and the new Robocop. Im very passionate about the original (its the movie that made me want to get into spfx) so the new one was a big letdown for me. Some of it was cool, but overall, I dont think it added anything to the character or the mythos.

    Going the cartoon route, I really liked the new He Man series from 2002 I believe? That was pretty cool. Going the horror route, I really liked the new Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot, I thought it was way better than the original. The first one the girl is screaming SO MUCH it was hard to watch, and there was a lot of boring stuff in the beginning, but I can see how it scared the socks off people in the 70's though. It still has some scary parts, but overall I liked the reboot better.
     
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  9. dascoyne

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    I think you might have misunderstood. I meant John Carpenter's The Thing as a remake of the 1951 B-film. I wasn't referring to the forgettable 2011 film at all.

    I haven't seen the new Robocop but I hear it's an ok movie. I saw the original Verhoven film at a college test screening prior to its release. The poster looked cheesy but I walked out of the theater completely blown away knowing that I just saw an instant classic. I think the 1987 is a near-perfect film. I really have no desire to see the remake but if it's showing for free on TV I might take a look.
     
  10. doppelganger

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    John Carter was better than the original Princess of Mars. Better acting, better effects and better ending. As for Robocop its not a patch on the original. He is way way to human and I dont like the suit. When the helmet retracts he looks like one of those god awful teddy bears with the dolls face instead of a bear. Just looks totally wrong, moves wrong..... is wrong.
     
  11. Snikt

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    I knew what you were referring too, I was the one that wasnt clear haha. I love John Carpenters The Thing. Its one of my favorite movies. Rob Bottin, who did the effects for The Thing also designed and did the effects for Robocop!

    Dont even bother with the new one man. Its so forgettable and one note. Its not bad, but its not good either. Some of the choices I was like "huh"? I couldnt agree more. Near perfect indeed. :cheers
     
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    If you're lucky enough to have missed the new Robocop I'd keep it that way. Its dire.

    But the worst reboot for me was new Karate Kid, they messed up everything. To the point where the kid was even learning Kung Fu!! It physically hurt me watching that film.

    Reboots I enjoyed would be Netflix Daredevil and Nolan Batman. The new Planet of the Apes movies were good updates too, didn't care for Marky Mark's version.


    A reboot I would really like to see would be The Crow (rumoured for years). The original was great and the sequels killed it one step at a time, so a reboot wouldn't really be stepping on anything.
     
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  13. Snikt

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    +1 on the new planet of the apes!
     
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  14. Wes R

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    The new Planet of the Apes is tolerable in that it's semi-trying to stay in cannon and not be a total reboot. Every other reboot has been garbage and always will be. Now they're wiping their butts with the Magnificent Seven. Next thing you know they'll go after more Wayne westerns, True Gritt i don't count as it went closer to the source material so it was a different creature, and in that case they should just go pee on the Duke's grave as a final insult.
     
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    I'm looking forward to the new Magnificent Seven
     
  17. PoopaPapaPalps

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    I don't think the Coen's True Grit can be considered a remake of Henry Hathaway's film. I think it's more accurate to say the Coen Bros. just did their version of the book. I mean, the two films are only similar in that it follows the story from the same book. That said, I think the Coen Bros. did a more authentic interpretation of the original source material then the first time with John Wayne. Westerns then were still romanticized and I think that hindered the Hathaway film, even then, because the atmosphere of the film was so different from the tone of the story and the nature of the dialogue. I think you can guess that I prefer the Coen Bros. version far more.
     
  18. Krull

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    I think people who get too tied up with this are funny-I have a take it or leave attitude and if it's good,it's good,if it's bad I ignore it.

    I've liked the "nu-Trek",Robocop wasn't bad,The Thing...well that one's been redone three times now.

    Batman doesn't count,all DC knows to do is make either Batman or Superman films so far and if any of the new stuff they have planned works I'll be amazed,if it doesn't expect a new Batman around 2025 or so.
     
  19. CB2001

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    About the KR "reboot", it was meant to be a continuation as well (Michael Knight, played by Hasselhoff himself turns up in the final scene of the pilot, as well as we see the remains of KITT from the original show in the opening scene in the garage). Now, I do agree, the show had its weak spots, and I feel that if it had been given a second season, it would have fixed all of them. By the way it looked towards the end, it was going to get back to what the original was: with the Foundation helping out the innocent and helpless against criminals who operated above the law (in fact, I kinda imagine that they would have brought Michael Knight back to become the Devon Miles of the group, and maybe even have The original KITT apparently still functioning and used for other things other than riding around and fighting crime). Honestly, if they had just gotten to that much sooner, or just had FLAG since the start of the series, maybe it would have been better.
     
  20. HEMADEW

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    3:10 to Yuma was tolerable
     
  21. Philly

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    I think BSG and Ghostbusters were right :)
     
  22. KrangPrime

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    yeah,the pilot and episode 1 seem like two totally different shows. I don't think you even see the plane again(supposedly the new semi) after the pilot.

    I wonder if they just couldn't afford david as a regular and had to rework the concept....
     
  23. Wes R

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    A couple of movies I'd like to see remade, with physical models but better budgets, is Robot Jox and Robot Wars. They're cheesy b-movies but it'd be nice to just see them done with a bigger budget.
     
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    Thats actually the type of movies I think that should get the reboot treatment. Movies that had a good premise, but maybe weren't successful because of budgetary issues or some other reason. I never understood the logic of remaking a movie that was already a success.
     
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    The 2011 the thing movie is not a remake it is a prequel to John carpenters the thing . just saying.
     
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    The plane was featured in at least three episodes (I think), with the last episode involving the plane crashing due to its landing gear getting jammed.

    Well, even if they couldn't get David back to have Michael be the Devon Miles of the new group, the big issue is that they got back to the "one man making a difference in a world where criminals operate above the law" concept way too late. Another big turn-off for some of the fans is the fact that KI3T (what they use to designate the difference between the original KITT and the one from the 2008 series) was a Mustang. For some odd reason, a lot of fans have been hating on Fords since the previous spin-off attempt Team Knight Rider, them feeling that they should have used classic Pontaic Trans-Ams instead of mostly Ford vehicles (honestly, I don't mind the Fords, let alone the Mustang, being used for the main vehicle. Most fans choose vehicles like Ferraris and very expensive sports cars for their idea of what a new KITT would be. As a result, they missed one of the most important things that made KITT an interesting vehicle: the fact he was a super computer inside the shell of a car that was so common, that one of the running gags of the show was where people mistake him for a run of the mill car and are surprised when he reveals himself to be much more. Not only that, if you're tailing someone in a Ferrari, you might as well have a giant sign that reads "Hey, I'm following you!" Since the modern Mustang is so common, just like how the Trans-Am was a common vehicle was back in the day, it makes sense to use such a vehicle for a modern KITT). Believe me, I've had this conversation many times, so I'm aware of most of the issues some of the fans have with it (honestly, I thought Val Kilmer made a great voice for KI3T).

    Honestly, when it comes to doing KR as a film, my issue is them turning the film into a comedy when the show was an action drama (I cite a good example with the Dukes of Hazzard movie, where they turned it from a family friendly action adventure into a stoner comedy starring Stifler and Jackass Knoxville). Back when I was in high school, I came up with a script for what I wanted to see as the starting point for a KR movie, and had even used pictures of a 1999 Pontiac Trans-Am for KITT (it was for this online game called "Virtual Producer", where you created fictional movies (with cast listings, scripts, posters and websites and everything) then have them go head-to-head in a virtual box office where people would vote on the weekly releases to see how they were doing. I did such a good job that some people who stumbled across the website, despite the disclaimer on the front page, they thought it was a legit KR film website. Think about it now, probably would be really noticeable that it wasn't a real website). And even for a new KR movie, I'd still pick a modern Ford Mustang because of how common they are.
     
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    Lots of muscle car guys are brand-loyal to a crazy degree. And rivalries don't get any bigger than Camaro/Firdbird versus Mustang. It's been going on for 50 years.

    For many of the old KR crowd, rebooting KITT as a Mustang would have been like putting Kirk & Spock in the Millennium Falcon. "There IS NO explanation that would make this okay. Don't even try."
     
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    Batman Begins
    The Thing (1982)
    Battlestar Galactica

    Those are some of the ones I like :)
     
  29. CharlzO

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    Reading about the Dukes reboot, that was painful. It was an entertaining movie, but everything minus the General Lee was all wrong. It would've been perfectly fine as a stand-alone comedy movie by any other name, really. But they flipped everything about the movie that the show had. The characters were all backwards. The personality of Bo and Luke were flip-flopped, and in the series, Luke had a lot more sense about him, whereas the movie version they're both bumbling about. Boss Hogg as played by Reynolds, no fat suit? And then Roscoe is a big burly angry cop instead of the person he should've been, etc. Creative freedom and all that, sure, but for me it really took the spirit of the series and threw it out the window. Again, it's not that I didn't enjoy it, just was wrong for me.
     
  30. doppelganger

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    They did the same with Starsky and Hutch. Made a slapstick comedy over a gritty cop buddy movie. Just so they could have big flares and the huge collars of the seventies. I didnt like the new knight rider too much. It, was watchable but having the new kitt with a nano tech shell rather than just having the indestructable molecularly bonded shell was a bit weird. That and having Karr reappear as a transformer? Really? Of course I am slightly bias because of my daily drive. Or at least he will be once ive gotten around to respraying him.

    [​IMG]
     
  31. KrangPrime

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    yeah, the nanto tech shell was just an excuse for him to change into different model ford cars.

    the other thing that bothered me a bout this kitt, is that i don't think he had any real special abilities minus the nano tech. I think they only added in a fake turbo boost because people complained.

    it didn't seem like there was alot of thought to make this show special. the inside 'design' of the car showed that much. unless they where told by ford, don't change it so much that we loose our product placement.
     
  32. KrangPrime

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    one of the things i liked about the original kitt is that the car looked futuristic. it seemed like most of the cars in the background where from the 70s or so and KITT stood out more being a newer trans am.
     
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    Well, it looks futuristic on the inside, but on the outside, it still looked like a standard car enough that it didn't stand out (unlike a modern Ferrari, or even a vintage Ferrari in that timeframe). Besides, during the four season run of the show, the Pontiac Trans-Am became more common place. People forget that Michael drove a 1982 Trans-Am in the pilot episode before he got shot (in fact, Michael himself confuses KITT for the same car he drove before he got shot when Michael is first introduced to KITT). The funny thing is that if it hadn't been for a simple train accident, we would have had KITT inside of a Datsun 280ZX.

    [​IMG]

    But in regards to the comment about how most of the cars appear to be late 1970s vehicles, it would make sense, as the show came out in 1982, so it'd make a lot of sense that those cars were still common and on the road. I don't know if they ever had more 1980s vehicles in the show as the seasons progressed (as I haven't seen the whole series in quite some time). Besides, KITT and KARR were not the only Trans-Ams featured in the show.
     
  34. Mola Rob

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    The 1982 remake of The Thing is terrific as is the 1986 version of The Fly. Can't really think of any others that were good. That's pretty sad when you think about it.
     
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    I used to think that the people behind the brand at the networks didn't know enough about it to hire the right people for the right job. and didn't care to do even that much. they think the brand name alone is enough to survive on.

    At least back in the day, I think they TRIED to get some things right. not so much now.
     
  36. Murdoch

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    I would absolutely love to see a tastefully made six million dollar man AKA six billion or whatever denomination that would suit the current time. I have the series pilot and have watched probably every episode released...GM
     
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    Probably won't happen since the series was based on a novel, and the author Martin Caidin passed away years ago, so whoever has the estate for him may be asking for a very high price tag for it (this is why The Bionic Woman got rebooted for TV instead of TSMDM, because Universal still owned the rights as the spin-off wasn't directly based on the original).
     
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    Yeah, it was great, though "fan service" moments yanked me out because I am immediately thinking oh "fan service"! LOL But it's a minor gripe.
     
  39. Murdoch

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    Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the novel called Cyborg?
     
  40. CB2001

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    You're right, it was called Cyborg. There were three sequels to the first novel, all written by the author. They all have a different continuity from the show.
     
  41. NormanF

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    To me, John Carpenter's "The Thing" is one of the few remakes that I would call "legitimate". The original had almost nothing to do with the short story it was based on, but Carpenter had a lot of the elements. And it was well made. At the other extreme, I have not seen any of the Spider Man movies in a theater since maybe the one with Sandman and Venom. I say maybe because I might have rented that one instead.
     
  42. simiouno

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    I'll always love the Wayne movie best..but yes, this was a version of the book..we could say the classic 30s FRANKENSTEIN was a repop of the silent Charles Olge movie, but the 30s version is seen as the Gold Standard ..
     
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    Good,bad,ugly, if done again .. Blondie,Hugh Jackman..Angel Eyes,Daniel Day Lewis..Tuco, Antonio Banderas..not that I'm in to repops ..but I think Hugh has always wanted to be Clint,so let him play ..side note: did you know the SAD HILL cemetery has been restored ! !
     
  44. Marv

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    Liked - Robocop not sure why it's not liked so much. The old one I cannot watch any more it looks horribly dated.
    Disliked - The magnificent seven, not a chance against the past cast.
    Liked - Death wish, I really liked the spin Bruce Willis puts on Cersey - I kinda like the way he enjoys wasting the bad guys
    Disliked - The Spidy films following Sam Rami's trilogy. I don't know anything about the comics but Rami's were fun.
    Disliked - Ghostbusters - simply no words!
    Wishes - they would remake Star Wars 7-8, and 9 as that will never work either the state they are in.
     
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    Oh and they should NEVER EVER think about doing a remake of that perfect spaghetti western trilogy.
     
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    True, I love the originals, but FFOD was a samurai remake..I think everything after Raiders in the Indie film series was not needed, Raiders to me is the ONLY Indie movie ..
     
  47. Richard Baker

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    Totally agree!

    Since we keep coming back to the Knightrider reboot, my biggest issue was the fact the car could morph into different models, including a pickup. I can accept high tech to a point, but if you have something changing form I feel you must allow for existing pieces and hardware- like KITT in Super Pursuit Mode. People tend to toss out 'nanotech' to allow for impossible CGI morphing and every time I see it I get tossed out of the movie world (sorry Ironman-Infinity Wars).
    On the plus side I did like actually seeing working thrusters when NuKITT turbojumped.

    I think the best reboot which really worked out well was 'The Thing'. The original story- "Who Goes There?" was more psychological about which person was human and who was actually the Thing in disguised. The original film was more of James Arness wandering around as a plant creature until he got zapped by electricity. Carpenter managed to recreate the tension in the book right up to the very end as to who was a real human and who was not. I also liked the sequel, mostly because we got to see the events which created those incredibly bizarre morphed creations MacReady and company found when they investigated the Norwegian base.
     
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    I like the Arness original best..Great atmosphere & no too gory ..
     

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