Re-inventing Lukes ANH Lightsaber- And Vaders too??!?!
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DARTH SABER
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The D-ring also looks a little bigger in the screen used version...
lonepigeon
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I don't think we're dealing with two sabers.
Here are two more pics of the "Promo" saber:
<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/anhsaber1.jpg>
As you can see the lever is stuck out at an angle like all of the other pics. The B&W almost looks centered, but when you see it from the side in color it's obviously not.
Here's an idea. In all the promo shots the lever is sticking out. This was likely pointed out as a problem before filming. They take the clamp off and adjust the lever and them put it back together with the clamp turned around.
I'm not sure the Icons D-ring assembly is correct and that may account for discrepancies (between the actual saber prop and what we've accepted for so long as "correct").
The only proven difference between the prop in promo photos and the movie is the clamp position. I think we're running around in circles about the D-ring position while looking at pics of different views of the same prop.
BTW- looking again at Jim's and Jediscout's pic after going through all these others. I see 6 grips.
Here are two more pics of the "Promo" saber:
<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/anhsaber1.jpg>
As you can see the lever is stuck out at an angle like all of the other pics. The B&W almost looks centered, but when you see it from the side in color it's obviously not.
Here's an idea. In all the promo shots the lever is sticking out. This was likely pointed out as a problem before filming. They take the clamp off and adjust the lever and them put it back together with the clamp turned around.
I'm not sure the Icons D-ring assembly is correct and that may account for discrepancies (between the actual saber prop and what we've accepted for so long as "correct").
The only proven difference between the prop in promo photos and the movie is the clamp position. I think we're running around in circles about the D-ring position while looking at pics of different views of the same prop.
BTW- looking again at Jim's and Jediscout's pic after going through all these others. I see 6 grips.
lonepigeon
Master Member
I'm working on trying to prove that all the promo pics we've been looking at we're taked the same day.
The VD and Luke Standee (PoSW pic) were taken at the same time just a minute or two apart. The only difference is he's smiling.
I think I've identified a matching dirt spot in the floor in both the Luke photos and the cast photos ( source of my saber photos above). I'm looking for something more concrete though.
Looking again at my color photo the D-ring could almost go either way (near center or side). It's definitely not perfectly centered though.
The VD and Luke Standee (PoSW pic) were taken at the same time just a minute or two apart. The only difference is he's smiling.
I think I've identified a matching dirt spot in the floor in both the Luke photos and the cast photos ( source of my saber photos above). I'm looking for something more concrete though.
Looking again at my color photo the D-ring could almost go either way (near center or side). It's definitely not perfectly centered though.
Boba Debt
Master Member
I just mounted my D-Ring the way "everyone" thought it was and now I look at these pictures and I'm thinking:
"WHAT IN THE $%^&$ WERE ALL OF YOU THINKING?????
BTW: I'M PISSED!!!
PS: according to these pictures the D-ring strap has to be cut down and mounted with ONE allen screw.
"WHAT IN THE $%^&$ WERE ALL OF YOU THINKING?????
BTW: I'M PISSED!!!
PS: according to these pictures the D-ring strap has to be cut down and mounted with ONE allen screw.
DARTH SABER
Master Member
Jeez, sorry about that Boba, I know your keen on your accuracy, but theres still the screen used version...we dont know much about it though.....
BTW the D-ring definitely looks bigger than the "picture frame wall hanging" D-ring that we all use....
Also, the pics that Lonepigeon posted also show the D-ring being pulled back toward the back belt hook, because of its centered position.
BTW the D-ring definitely looks bigger than the "picture frame wall hanging" D-ring that we all use....
Also, the pics that Lonepigeon posted also show the D-ring being pulled back toward the back belt hook, because of its centered position.
I made my D ring out of a hanger...a clothes hanger, so it would be larger and accurate...My saber also has 7 grips on it...7 makes it look right, othewise there's too much space between them.
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Jeez, sorry about that Boba, I know your keen on your accuracy, but theres still the screen used version...we dont know much about it though.....
BTW the D-ring definitely looks bigger than the "picture frame wall hanging" D-ring that we all use....
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Jeez, sorry about that Boba, I know your keen on your accuracy, but theres still the screen used version...we dont know much about it though.....
BTW the D-ring definitely looks bigger than the "picture frame wall hanging" D-ring that we all use....
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lonepigeon
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<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/bowdring.jpg>
Here are pics of Chewie's Crossbow D-ring assembly which is the same as Luke's. If we're going to figure out what the thing even looks like we'll need all available reference. BTW- we don't even know how it's attached, rivets are most likely but at this point no assumptions.
Here are pics of Chewie's Crossbow D-ring assembly which is the same as Luke's. If we're going to figure out what the thing even looks like we'll need all available reference. BTW- we don't even know how it's attached, rivets are most likely but at this point no assumptions.
DARTH SABER
Master Member
hmmm, if this is the D-ring mount on Lukes saber, it looks like the D-ring has thinner metal and is a bit bigger than the D-ring on the "Wallmount" kits commonly used for this....
Grey Pilgrim
Well-Known Member
This may be completely left field, but the Turkish(?) ammo pouches I got for use on a Jawa have a larger brass D-ring on the back. I'm not looking at it right now, and it's probably too big, and it's not held on by anything that resembles the attachment for the saber, but it's just a thought.
DARTH SABER
Master Member
Anything is possible at this point Pilgrim.
If the D-ring is bigger and thinner it still would hold with Lonepigeons "one" saber theory because the pics above show the bigger thinner d-ring and the one fuzzy shot in ANH shows the d-ring to be the same also, but then again its a VERY fuzzy shot..
Also about the brass d-ring...Possible, but it could also be a tint of the chrome...Ive gone to walmart and bought metallic chromed/nickle plated D-rings and every so often one of the d-rings will be slightly discolored, having a very,very light gold tint.
If the D-ring is bigger and thinner it still would hold with Lonepigeons "one" saber theory because the pics above show the bigger thinner d-ring and the one fuzzy shot in ANH shows the d-ring to be the same also, but then again its a VERY fuzzy shot..
Also about the brass d-ring...Possible, but it could also be a tint of the chrome...Ive gone to walmart and bought metallic chromed/nickle plated D-rings and every so often one of the d-rings will be slightly discolored, having a very,very light gold tint.
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Grey Pilgrim
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Um, yeah. At ~1.25" across, the ammo pouch d-ring seems to be too big. If you want to look for yourself, feel free:
http://www.infinitehost.net/~gpps/images/sw/d_rings.JPG
http://www.infinitehost.net/~gpps/images/sw/d_rings.JPG
Dagobah Don
Sr Member
It's my opinion (according to the VD pic) that the metal piece holding the D ring is merely a flat piece of metal that has been folded (sandwiched around the ring itself). I'm guessing that there is only one screw holding that sandwiched piece together, mounted to the bottom of the Graflex. What that means for all of us who used Blastech's kit is that one of the holes we drilled in the Graflex can be used, but the other (the one farthest from the D ring) would be visible if we switched it. Â….. I wish I never saw this thread, honestly.
DARTH SABER
Master Member
Actually Avalon, Theres some good news....Although I havent converted my Graflex's yet, I did do a placement test with the D-ring. Heres what I found if your using Blas-techs D-ring assembly heres what you can do...Unscrew the hex socket screws and remove the d-ring assembly. Then cut the folded metal piece exactly between the 2 holes , thus cutting off the folded metal piece with the hole farthest from the D-ring. You now should be left with a D-ring attachment that has only one hole.
Take the d-ring and screw it back into the Graflex hole closest to the edge so that the hinge of the D-ring is placed somewhere in the center . After youve done this youll notice the the part of the D-ring attachment which folds around the D-ring is covering about 95% of the extra hole....Even thought its not perfect its still 95% of the hole.
Before you do any cutting though try a test placement.
Take the d-ring and screw it back into the Graflex hole closest to the edge so that the hinge of the D-ring is placed somewhere in the center . After youve done this youll notice the the part of the D-ring attachment which folds around the D-ring is covering about 95% of the extra hole....Even thought its not perfect its still 95% of the hole.
Before you do any cutting though try a test placement.
Dagobah Don
Sr Member
Would anyone care to make a D ring assembly that would do this, and might be a bit wider to cover that second hole? I'm sure there would be a lot of buyers.
I still say that anyone who changes the placement of their D-rings might regret it later on.
I see no proof in any of those photos that the D-ring is center mounted.
I do see proof that the d-ring is not as close to the edge of the graflex bottom as some like to think or have thought in the past.
I do see proof that the style of mounting bracket used might not be what everyone uses.
I do see proof that there is not 2 different styles of d-rings from those pictures of the sabre and that a brass d-ring wasn't used.
But sorry Darth Sabre, from those pictures, I don't see a center mounted D-ring.
I see no proof in any of those photos that the D-ring is center mounted.
I do see proof that the d-ring is not as close to the edge of the graflex bottom as some like to think or have thought in the past.
I do see proof that the style of mounting bracket used might not be what everyone uses.
I do see proof that there is not 2 different styles of d-rings from those pictures of the sabre and that a brass d-ring wasn't used.
But sorry Darth Sabre, from those pictures, I don't see a center mounted D-ring.
THX1138
Sr Member
This might be one way to describe the D-ring position on the bottom of the tube in the picture I have that "Jediscout" posted above.
If you were to draw 2 straight lines across the bottom of the tube spaced out equally (divide into 3 sections) the straight part of the D-ring itself would be directly on one of the lines.
Whatever is used to attach the bracket to the tube (be it screw or rivot) would be in between the D-ring and the closest edge of the tube. That's why you can't see the screw/rivot in that picture because the bracket is in the way.
If you think about it... that's actually a cleaner way of attaching the bracket. You can't see the bracket attachment screw/rivot when the saber is hanging on his belt.
- Jim
If you were to draw 2 straight lines across the bottom of the tube spaced out equally (divide into 3 sections) the straight part of the D-ring itself would be directly on one of the lines.
Whatever is used to attach the bracket to the tube (be it screw or rivot) would be in between the D-ring and the closest edge of the tube. That's why you can't see the screw/rivot in that picture because the bracket is in the way.
If you think about it... that's actually a cleaner way of attaching the bracket. You can't see the bracket attachment screw/rivot when the saber is hanging on his belt.
- Jim
DARTH SABER
Master Member
I see no proof in any of those photos that the D-ring is center mounted.
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I do see proof that the d-ring is not as close to the edge of the graflex bottom as some like to think or have thought in the past.
No Argument here...
I do see proof that there is not 2 different styles of d-rings from those pictures of the sabre and that a brass d-ring wasn't used. But sorry Darth Sabre, from those pictures, I don't see a center mounted D-ring.
OK...Argument...Notice the red line on the pick below, that red line is right on top of the seem line where the folded metal meets the bottom of the hilt (refer to pic on right for unobstructed view)...And If you'll notice the red line also cuts the round bottom of the flash into an almost perfect hemisphere, which would mean its on, or pretty damn close to the canter...
Gav, you dont have to apologize for anything, everyones entitled to their own opinion...
Here's some more proof...If you were to look at the saber above from a profile view and rotated it so the bubbles were pointing up, it would look like the picture below....Where is the D-ring? And last is the picture below, which shows the D-ring at an angle because it is being pulled back towards the belt hook, but the reason its at an angle is because it has to clear half the diameter of the Graflex's bottom to reach the hook...because its placed in the center...
Also youll notive the folded metal isnt running towards the control box but back towards the belt hook...Im not telling anyone how to attach their D-ring...Im just showing whats there.
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I do see proof that the d-ring is not as close to the edge of the graflex bottom as some like to think or have thought in the past.
No Argument here...
I do see proof that there is not 2 different styles of d-rings from those pictures of the sabre and that a brass d-ring wasn't used. But sorry Darth Sabre, from those pictures, I don't see a center mounted D-ring.
OK...Argument...Notice the red line on the pick below, that red line is right on top of the seem line where the folded metal meets the bottom of the hilt (refer to pic on right for unobstructed view)...And If you'll notice the red line also cuts the round bottom of the flash into an almost perfect hemisphere, which would mean its on, or pretty damn close to the canter...
Gav, you dont have to apologize for anything, everyones entitled to their own opinion...
Here's some more proof...If you were to look at the saber above from a profile view and rotated it so the bubbles were pointing up, it would look like the picture below....Where is the D-ring? And last is the picture below, which shows the D-ring at an angle because it is being pulled back towards the belt hook, but the reason its at an angle is because it has to clear half the diameter of the Graflex's bottom to reach the hook...because its placed in the center...
Also youll notive the folded metal isnt running towards the control box but back towards the belt hook...Im not telling anyone how to attach their D-ring...Im just showing whats there.
E.D.C. Studios
Well-Known Member
EDIT - I added the renders
OK I have been fooling around with a 3D model I made of a Lukes ANH saber.
Now I was very opposed to this new D-ring theory at first but after consulting my models it appears that the D-ring would HAVE to be of the shorter variety. It would also appear this D-ring is more towards center that what we previously thought or perhaps even perfectly centered.
Tell me what you think:
Here is the POSW pic
I rendered my model from the same angle with the same rotation made to the clamp. I used the D-ring we have all been accustom to over in the past years its mounted off center, as you can see it ends up too low when looking at it from this angle.
I then rendered this image from the same model, but with the shorter D-ring assembly. It was placed so the bottom of the D-ring was dead center on the bottom. Youll notice it matches the POSW pic just about perfectly. It would seem that the "spine" of the D-ring is dead center on the ANH graflex and runs right down the center of the 12 o'clock-6 o'clock line. In other words it follows the same direction of the "ears"
Funny thing is, WAY back when I used to use the single screw picture hangar to mount the D-ring, but popular opinion became that the double hole one was used, so I switched to it, guess its a good thing I never threw out my stock of single hole D-rings
OK I have been fooling around with a 3D model I made of a Lukes ANH saber.
Now I was very opposed to this new D-ring theory at first but after consulting my models it appears that the D-ring would HAVE to be of the shorter variety. It would also appear this D-ring is more towards center that what we previously thought or perhaps even perfectly centered.
Tell me what you think:
Here is the POSW pic
I rendered my model from the same angle with the same rotation made to the clamp. I used the D-ring we have all been accustom to over in the past years its mounted off center, as you can see it ends up too low when looking at it from this angle.
I then rendered this image from the same model, but with the shorter D-ring assembly. It was placed so the bottom of the D-ring was dead center on the bottom. Youll notice it matches the POSW pic just about perfectly. It would seem that the "spine" of the D-ring is dead center on the ANH graflex and runs right down the center of the 12 o'clock-6 o'clock line. In other words it follows the same direction of the "ears"
Funny thing is, WAY back when I used to use the single screw picture hangar to mount the D-ring, but popular opinion became that the double hole one was used, so I switched to it, guess its a good thing I never threw out my stock of single hole D-rings
