Re: Does the technology exist to make a GOLDEN SNITCH/DELUMINATOR?
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Your talking about a devce that sucks the light from a source and can put it back at will. Correct me if I'm wrong bit in the books it was not just from streetlights, but also lanterns where there is no electricity at all.
And the snitch having not been touched by hands even whilst being made until caught in the game. While holding the ability to hold flesh memories from the first person to catch it.
When you think about both are very unrealistic. The things that both can do far surpass anything beyond reality.
And the snitch having not been touched by hands even whilst being made until caught in the game. While holding the ability to hold flesh memories from the first person to catch it.
When you think about both are very unrealistic. The things that both can do far surpass anything beyond reality.
I think you're exaggerating a bit. Sure a Deluminator may take alot of work but I don't see why it's not possible to create a Golden snitch. It's just a small little device and maybe it'd require a chip to be inserted into it so it knows how to react and when to fly and how to recognize certain skin patterns and that's it..
How old are you? You do realize that the Harry Potter books are about MAGIC, right?
Sucking up light for all intents and purposes is physically impossible unless you're a black hole. MAYBE the golden snitch technology exists but it sure can't fit inside something the size of a golf ball.
Sucking up light for all intents and purposes is physically impossible unless you're a black hole. MAYBE the golden snitch technology exists but it sure can't fit inside something the size of a golf ball.
Well many years ago, people claimed that certain things would not be possible to design/achieve, yet now they've come to fruition. I think it's too hasty to make judgment and say its impossible when in the next ten years, we could have achieved SO much more. At the rate that technology is advancing, I wouldn't be surprised if these things became more then just mere fantasy in good time.. Although I understand what you're saying but I still believe that maybe at some point we could make something like this. Whats the problem with designing a golden snitch though? Just implant a chip within it thats coded, and the architecture has to be very precise in order to carefully craft the wings,etc and then just have it run.. I'm just thinking outloud though.
I realize that but so many fans adore the series, and can you imagine how much revenue companys would reel in if they designed something like an actual golden snitch? It would definitely sell millions. Retail it for maybe.. $50+ and the sales would be off the charts. Something as impractical as this may seem undemanding, but if the idea was suggested I'm sure hundreds upon thousands of people who be willing to invest in such a product simply because it's based off the Harry Potter series, as well as fans would be baffled at the sight of an actual golden snitch and would probably murder just to obtain one.. I just really some company can reproduce a Golden Snitch. I really don't see whats stopping them.. I just hate seeing such amazing creations go unnoticed.
Even if the idea was to be made into a reality the R&D the company would have to put into it would be ridiculous. And even if they did make it real they would not sell it for $50 a pop, for that much money to make it possible they would be looking at maximizing profit you'd be looking at least a couple hundred if not thousands.
dreaminspired
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do you mean that you would like to see a replica made of the golden snitch that looks like the one in the movie and has motorized flapping wings, or do you mean that you would like to see a company make a real flying snitch with the abilities to absorb light?
absorbing light like that is impossible and pure fantasy.
absorbing light like that is impossible and pure fantasy.
epilepticsquirl
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Just to be clear, you are talking about making a golfball fly with wings.
and a device that is able to exterminate any and all light sources around it. Right?
and a device that is able to exterminate any and all light sources around it. Right?
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epilepticsquirl
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Golden snitch, maybe. Exact replica, maybe in 10-15 years. look up flying insect robots for your viewing pleasure. It's a bit more work than just sticking a chip in something to make it fly; though i'm sure the CIA has something similar cooked up. Just not in the form of a golden snitch.
Deluminator that is able to extinguish any and all light sources just like the movie/book. Not a chance.
Though i'm sure the Advacned Action Suit would benefit from something like this.
Deluminator that is able to extinguish any and all light sources just like the movie/book. Not a chance.
Though i'm sure the Advacned Action Suit would benefit from something like this.
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Cmonn mann. There has to be a way to make a Deluminator. Scientists are already working on Time Travel which is even more far-fetched then anything we could imagine! There has to be a way to design a deluminator. Something..
The problem with both of these is physics, not the limits of technology...
Light is a particulate wave, consisting of particles known as photons. These particles are essentially massless and, at their maximum velocity, travel at 299,792,458 meters per second. That's 983,571,056 feet or 56,778.8746 MILES every single second. To put it another way, a single photon, traveling at the speed of light would circle the earth more than two times at the equator in under a second.
Think about driving in a car, the faster you go, the harder it is to stop. The same is true of photons and other particles. Deriving from Einstein's Special Relativity, it can be shown that to counteract the speed of light (The very thing necessary for a deluminator to work) would require an essentially infinite amount of energy...even assuming that photons are nearly massless.
The comes the issue of the force to counteract the photons' forward momentum. Only electromagnetism and gravity would have any real effect. (Strong nuclear and weak nuclear are being ruled out of the 4 fundamental forces for their traditional lack of attractive/repulsive capabilities) A controllable electromagnetic force powerful enough to control subatomic particles would require a designated powerplant. That's why all particle accelerators have one...and they generally only have to move a handful of particle at once, not the billions of trillions of particles involved in snuffing out all light.
That leaves gravity. Gravity is a force caused by the warping of space by an object, that's strength is directly proportional to the object's mass. However, even massive objects, like the sun (864,327 Miles in diameter and 4,384,818,030,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs) can only slightly divert light from a given trajectory. What you need then is to compress a massive object so much that it reaches its Schwarzschild radius. The Schwarzschild radius is the radius that you would have to compress an object such that the combination of such a high mass in such a small space causes the deformation of space around the object to make the escape velocity of that object equal to the speed of light. Beyond the Schwarzschild radius, you have black holes...the thing needed for your deluminator.
So, using some rough calculations, for an object to have a Schwarzschild radius of a Golden Snitch, the lightest it could possibly be would be somewhere on the order of 52,683,426,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs...or MORE THAT FOUR TIMES THE MASS OF THE EARTH.
Not exactly something you could fit in your pocket. No amount of technology will change that. Physics, it's the law.
...and to quickly address the issue of flying, even if the snitch didn't weigh 4 times as much as the Earth, the issue would be the surface area of the wings being prohibitively large in order to support a battery operated, electronic snitch. (as it seems you want to do with talk of "chips") This isn't impossible, just not feasible...at least until new forms of batteries, actuators, sensors, and control systems are developed...most of which have no other practical applications, and considering the development costs would be in the billions to trillions seems unlikely enough to call impossible...especially for a $50-$150 toy!
Class dismissed.
-Nick
PS: Time travel is actually EXTREMELY easy from a theoretical standpoint. This stuff is IMPOSSIBLE.
Light is a particulate wave, consisting of particles known as photons. These particles are essentially massless and, at their maximum velocity, travel at 299,792,458 meters per second. That's 983,571,056 feet or 56,778.8746 MILES every single second. To put it another way, a single photon, traveling at the speed of light would circle the earth more than two times at the equator in under a second.
Think about driving in a car, the faster you go, the harder it is to stop. The same is true of photons and other particles. Deriving from Einstein's Special Relativity, it can be shown that to counteract the speed of light (The very thing necessary for a deluminator to work) would require an essentially infinite amount of energy...even assuming that photons are nearly massless.
The comes the issue of the force to counteract the photons' forward momentum. Only electromagnetism and gravity would have any real effect. (Strong nuclear and weak nuclear are being ruled out of the 4 fundamental forces for their traditional lack of attractive/repulsive capabilities) A controllable electromagnetic force powerful enough to control subatomic particles would require a designated powerplant. That's why all particle accelerators have one...and they generally only have to move a handful of particle at once, not the billions of trillions of particles involved in snuffing out all light.
That leaves gravity. Gravity is a force caused by the warping of space by an object, that's strength is directly proportional to the object's mass. However, even massive objects, like the sun (864,327 Miles in diameter and 4,384,818,030,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs) can only slightly divert light from a given trajectory. What you need then is to compress a massive object so much that it reaches its Schwarzschild radius. The Schwarzschild radius is the radius that you would have to compress an object such that the combination of such a high mass in such a small space causes the deformation of space around the object to make the escape velocity of that object equal to the speed of light. Beyond the Schwarzschild radius, you have black holes...the thing needed for your deluminator.
So, using some rough calculations, for an object to have a Schwarzschild radius of a Golden Snitch, the lightest it could possibly be would be somewhere on the order of 52,683,426,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs...or MORE THAT FOUR TIMES THE MASS OF THE EARTH.
Not exactly something you could fit in your pocket. No amount of technology will change that. Physics, it's the law.
...and to quickly address the issue of flying, even if the snitch didn't weigh 4 times as much as the Earth, the issue would be the surface area of the wings being prohibitively large in order to support a battery operated, electronic snitch. (as it seems you want to do with talk of "chips") This isn't impossible, just not feasible...at least until new forms of batteries, actuators, sensors, and control systems are developed...most of which have no other practical applications, and considering the development costs would be in the billions to trillions seems unlikely enough to call impossible...especially for a $50-$150 toy!
Class dismissed.
-Nick
PS: Time travel is actually EXTREMELY easy from a theoretical standpoint. This stuff is IMPOSSIBLE.
Probably not in our lifetime.
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