QMx & Other New Sonic Screwdrivers Thread

[ravvenz]

Re: QMx Sonic Screwdriver Thread

Like Asp9mm, I can also confirm that CT has been in possession of these props, taken them apart, analyzed them, messured them, photo graphed them and he now has everything he needs to build replicas at the level of quality and price that the competition won't be able to match.

Unlike some company that is just adding another item to their catalog, where their employees might not have any vested interest in the level of quality they are producing, I don't think there is ANYONE that can disagree that CT is not highly passionate about the products he builds and the level of perfection he strives to achieve in building them.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

Re: QMx Sonic Screwdriver Thread


Hey folks,

please get back to the original thread topic, namely discussing QMx Sonic Screwdrivers. A discussion of a competing non-licensee and his potential time frame for the release of an item will be seen as shilling, since that discussion actually is piggy backing generating interest onto a completely different and actually unrelated discussion, namely the QMx Sonic Screwdrivers.

Thanks,
Michael
RPF staff

 

[Asp9mm]

Re: QMx Sonic Screwdriver Thread

Hey folks,

please get back to the original thread topic, namely discussing QMx Sonic Screwdrivers. A discussion of a competing non-licensee and his potential time frame for the release of an item will be seen as shilling, since that discussion actually is piggy backing generating interest onto a completely different and actually unrelated discussion, namely the QMx Sonic Screwdrivers.

Thanks,
Michael
RPF staff

I understand that, but we can't discuss the sonic screwdrivers without bringing up the most prolific maker on the WWW. It's all about the prop and accuracy and everything we love to discuss here, not the makers. On all threads about licenced items people discuss recasts, fan made items and runs our own members have done. The sonics are no different. If we can't discuss other builds, then we might as well join the QMx official blog and that surely was what the RPF was never about. The EFX saber threads continually discuss the runs and parts members and other makers fabricate. This really is no different. I can change the title if that helps to NEW sonic releases. I never meant it to be solely confined to the QMx version.

 

[GeneralFROSTY]

I have to agree with Asp9mm on his point stated above.
But also, maybe a thread title alteration would be helpful. There certainly is enough interest in this prop to warrent this thread having substantial discussion life.

 

[Asp9mm]

I have to agree with Asp9mm on his point stated above.
But also, maybe a thread title alteration would be helpful. There certainly is enough interest in this prop to warrent this thread having substantial discussion life.

Sorted.

We can discuss unlicenced stormtrooper armour makers, unlicenced lightsaber makers (who sell here), hoverboards (who sell here), unlicenced classic sonic makers (who sell here). This really is no different is it? It's why I love this forum as it allows us to discuss and get the best prop replicas that are available. If we can now only discuss licenced makers, then that is really sad :cry

If QMx had started this thread then I could understand wholly why we shouldn't discuss other makers. To that end, I've changed the thread title.

 

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Good for you Asp! Your sentiments make perfect sense. Double standards can be very confusing. How can you have a meaningful discussion if you are hamstrung by not being able to mention competing products? It would be hypocritcal for the RPF.

 

[teecrooz]

Most of those mentioned aren't banned member though. That's where there is a difference.

It's item number 7, near the bottom.

http://www.therpf.com/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_guidelines

 

[jedibugs]

Most of those mentioned aren't banned member though. That's where there is a difference.

Let's be fair. CT was banned for being an a--hole. He wasn't banned for recasting or cheating people or anything like that. If he were, I would say that mentioning his name/business in any context other than a warning against him should be taboo. But he was banned strictly for his attitude. The product we're discussing is not his personality, but rather his sonics. His high-quality, extremely accurate Sonic Screwdrivers. One of which I have purchased (and reviewed on the RPF).
He is an honest and reputable businessman who goes out of his way to make sure that the people who purchase his products are happy. If we can't discuss someone like that because they have a foul mouth, then maybe we should be on a different forum. To be honest, CT and I are a lot alike in the vitriol department... I get angry at stupidity and use foul language to deride stupid people every single day. I just don't do it here. I usually don't have a reason to.

 

[Asp9mm]

Let's be fair. CT was banned for being an a--hole. He wasn't banned for recasting or cheating people or anything like that. If he were, I would say that mentioning his name/business in any context other than a warning against him should be taboo. But he was banned strictly for his attitude. The product we're discussing is not his personality, but rather his sonics. His high-quality, extremely accurate Sonic Screwdrivers. One of which I have purchased (and reviewed on the RPF).
He is an honest and reputable businessman who goes out of his way to make sure that the people who purchase his products are happy. If we can't discuss someone like that because they have a foul mouth, then maybe we should be on a different forum. To be honest, CT and I are a lot alike in the vitriol department... I get angry at stupidity and use foul language to deride stupid people every single day. I just don't do it here. I usually don't have a reason to.

It is true, he was banned for bad language and being abusive (he does have Asbergers). He has never cheated, conned or lied about anything. As much as my early posts about him say the opposite (before he made anything), I have found his product and service second to none. And boy do I ***** when there is anything wrong. He does have a valid place in the prop making community and has made innovative leaps forward that people thought impossible (sound and hard as nails accurate paint jobs). The depth of hate goes deep with some people, and yeah, some people will never bury the hatchet as things have gone to far. But you certainly cannot knock the product, service and aftersales service when things go **** up. That should be applauded, and we should encourage and support such amazing innovations (just check out that new crackle paint, it is bang tidy and harder than ceramic, let alone beautiful to look at and touch). A couple of which QMx no doubt will be using in/on their sonics, if and when it happens.

 

[Asp9mm]

...anyway, has anyone got any decent pics from the QMx booth? Especially the new Ten SS.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

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If we can now only discuss licenced makers, then that is really sad :cry

If QMx had started this thread then I could understand wholly why we shouldn't discuss other makers. To that end, I've changed the thread title.

To make it more clear, the discussion has to be respectful, and you need to respect that the license holder has a completely different background than a garage kit maker.

This is not reflected in this thread, but actually completely reversed.

You guys have been arguing about the potential quality of an item, and bashing a licensees product before it even hit the market, at one time saying that QMx won´t be able to put out a product rivaling a non-licensees item. This might be true, but you still need to show some respect to the licensee.

TheRPF exists to a great deal because we work closely with licensees, and this discussion being still up actually shows that. I definitely don´t want to go into the studios and license and non-license discussion here.

The discussion of non-licensed items vs. licensed items is of course not forbidden, and it never will be.

But at this point regarding the current discussion nobody actually HAS something to show, except for the licensee.

So, bashing a licensees product without being able to actually show something comparable is highly disrespectful and actually unwanted.

Jedibugs is right and nobody here ever said anything differently about why CT was banned. The quality of the product was never in question, but his conduct while being a member and beyond will be taken into account.

The rule still stands that banned member´s products can only be reviewed in a way that won´t look like all out advertising.

The actual rule in the member guidelines as referred to by Teecroz is:

Buying/selling/trading items on the site

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Members may not shill on any part of the site. This includes posting items for sale or coordinating sales for other people or promoting sites, services or products for banned members or known recasters.


This discussion can continue if you follow the above requests and show the licensee some respect.

Michael
RPF staff

 

[Asp9mm]

To make it more clear, the discussion has to be respectful, and you need to respect that the license holder has a completely different background than a garage kit maker.

This is not reflected in this thread, but actually completely reversed.

You guys have been arguing about the potential quality of an item, and bashing a licensees product before it even hit the market, at one time saying that QMx won´t be able to put out a product rivaling a non-licensees item. This might be true, but you still need to show some respect to the licensee.

TheRPF exists to a great deal because we work closely with licensees, and this discussion being still up actually shows that. I definitely don´t want to go into the studios and license and non-license discussion here.

The discussion of non-licensed items vs. licensed items is of course not forbidden, and it never will be.

But at this point regarding the current discussion nobody actually HAS something to show, except for the licensee.

So, bashing a licensees product without being able to actually show something comparable is highly disrespectful and actually unwanted.

Jedibugs is right and nobody here ever said anything differently about why CT was banned. The quality of the product was never in question.

But the rule still stands that banned members products can only be reviewed in a way that won´t look like total and open advertising.

This discussion can continue if you follow that request and show the licensee some respect.

Michael
RPF staff

That is absolutely fair. I don't think anyone bashed the QMX product though, the proto's are absolutely spot on, and as such, that is what we want in the finished article presented for sale. You can't argue that a certain amount of 'fluffing' has happened with the product over the last year or so. How can we not talk about that. It is feedback like that, that gets taken on board if the company is savvy and interested in consumer opinion, and it then moves forward and improves upon those areas that were perceived as lacking.

It's interesting though in this case, because the unlicenced version of the 10 sonic turned out to be the best in terms of quality, construction and pricing over the last (MFX) licenced product, so there is a very high bench mark set already and at a very low competitive price to us consumers. Plus the then licencee in quite a few peoples eyes, mislead us in terms of detailing, manufacture and construction. If you add WOW into the mix with their outragious claims last year, then you can see why there is a huge amount of unease within the sonic buying community.

As I said, if QMx or a rep had started this thread, then yes 100%, respect should be given. As such from your post and the point you have made, I have changed the title accordingly. The young lady who appears appointed as a QMx spokesperson should start a new thread should she feel it appropriate and I'm sure we will adhere to the guidlines given.

But on this thread I feel we need to discuss CTs products too, as they are so well recieved, a sonic thread would be pointless without doing so. It is a great time for us with both parties fighting for accuracy, innovation and pricing, it will surely be of enormous benefit to us sonic fans if they continue to do so. We win as they push to beat their opponent in these areas. And that is great :love

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

Asp9mm,

it seems that you are missing one very important point here.

Showing a licensee respect not only means to respect their product, but more importantly the fact that a licensee has to take wayyy much more money into their hands to get a product produced than a small one person operation has to.

A discussion that compares pricing and then quality is absolute and utter nonsense.

And regarding "competition", I am not completely up to date in this whole matter, but I take a guess that QMx are not at one moment thinking about discussing their product in comparison to an unlicensed item and the pricing of it, let alone trying to find a price point to compete with such an item.

All that being said, my previous posts are not suggestions but requests, please take that into consideration when continuing this discussion.

If you´d like to discuss this specific issue any further feel free to send me a pm.

Michael
RPF staff

 

[Asp9mm]

Asp9mm,

it seems that you are missing one very important point here.

Showing a licensee respect not only means to respect their product, but more importantly the fact that a licensee has to take wayyy much more money into their hands to get a product produced than a small one person operation has to.

I never missed that point. But as there is no pricing of the QMx yet, we can't disrespect it. There is nothing to disrespect. In fact from all accounts last year, it really is something we should respect as it is lower than any offerings yet, and something they are still aiming for. Again there are gazillions of threads disrespecting Hasbro, EFX, WB, Sideshow, Noble, Master Replicas to name a few, because of the products they produced or did not, or the pricing thereof (I've lost count of the Green Lantern ring threads). It's the nature of the game and community. If you don't deliver or offer innaccurate product, should we remain silent out of respect? Why are QMx any different, or this thread any diffrent for the hundreds that are far worse about the licensee and on the first 20 or so pages?

A discussion that compares pricing and then quality is absolute and utter nonsense.

I find the cheapest and most accurate version more appealing and sensible. The most expensive and innaccurate is, I agree, nonsense.

And regarding "competition", I am not completely up to date in this whole matter, but I take a guess that QMx are not at one moment thinking about discussing their product in comparison to an unlicensed item and the pricing of it, let alone trying to find a price point to compete with such an item.

Maybe not, but this is a democracy and not a dictatorship. The spirit of the RPF is to discuss the prop and all details, nuancies and even replicas pertaining to that prop. That is why this forum is head and shoulders above the rest and remain so if it continues.

All that being said, my previous posts are not suggestions but requests, please take that into consideration when continuing this discussion..

I actually never said anything different to that. The only suggestion I took from your post was to change the title. You never requested that as far as I am aware, and if you did, I complied with your request and the title is now more accurate and fair to all parties discussed.

Now please someone post some SDCC 10 sonic piccies.

 

[LeAngeSolitaire]

I never missed that point. But as there is no pricing of the QMx yet, we can't disrespect it. There is nothing to disrespect. In fact from all accounts last year, it really is something we should respect as it is lower than any offerings yet, and something they are still aiming for.



I find the cheapest and most accurate version more appealing and sensible. The most expensive and innaccurate is, I agree, nonsense.



Maybe not, but this is a democracy and not a dictatorship. The spirit of the RPF is to discuss the prop and all details, nuancies and even replicas pertaining to that prop. That is why this forum is head and shoulders above the rest and remain so if it continues.



I actually never said anything different to that. The only suggestion I took from your post was to change the title. You never requested that as far as I am aware, and if you did, I complied with your request and the title is now more accurate and fair to all parties discussed.

Now please someone post some SDCC 10 sonic piccies.

I really don't see what the issue is as the discussion does nothing except furthers understanding of the props and it's replicas. If it descends into petty bickering I could understand but thus far everyone seems to be behaving themselves so where's the beef? :confused

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

:rolleyes

Alright, I´ll keep it simple, then:

If there is something that can be shown in terms of pictures for comparison of an item that a member has in hands, show it. Review it. Compare it.

If there is nothing, and the comparison licensee item vs. non-licensee is hypothetical, discussion is no-go. Applies to pricing ( c´mon, nobody bashing QMx pricing in this thread, really? I think not) and quality.

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Maybe not, but this is a democracy and not a dictatorship. The spirit of the RPF is to discuss the prop and all details, nuancies and even replicas pertaining to that prop. That is why this forum is head and shoulders above the rest and remain so if it continues.
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Sorry, misconception on your part, the RPF is a privately run forum, it never was and it most certainly won´t be a democracy.

I actually never said anything different to that. The only suggestion I took from your post was to change the title. You never requested that as far as I am aware, and if you did, I complied with your request and the title is now more accurate and fair to all parties discussed.

Again, I have to roll them eyes :rolleyes Seriously.

Now please someone post some SDCC 10 sonic piccies.

Exactly. Please continue this thread ON topic.
Everything else, especially if you, Asp9mm, wish to continue the discussion about why and what´s a no-go or want to reply to my post, has to be done via pm and directly addressed at me.

Michael
RPF staff

 

[masterjedi322]

I was at SDCC on Thursday, and spoke to someone at the Qmx booth. They said they are shooting to have the screwdrivers available for sale sometime this year, and they're enlisting the assistance of the original prop maker to help them out. He was there with one of the Smith screwdrivers, and I got to chat with him for a few minutes. Very nice guy!

I just hope they get these out already!

Sean

 

[LeAngeSolitaire]

...anyway, has anyone got any decent pics from the QMx booth? Especially the new Ten SS.

looks like the one from last year judging from the narrow slider slot

I was at SDCC on Thursday, and spoke to someone at the Qmx booth. They said they are shooting to have the screwdrivers available for sale sometime this year, and they're enlisting the assistance of the original prop maker to help them out. He was there with one of the Smith screwdrivers, and I got to chat with him for a few minutes. Very nice guy!

I just hope they get these out already!

Sean

Wow, can we get official confirmation on this? So Nick will be producing the QMX production models? Or am I reading too much into it? Why couldn't anyone announce this sooner?

 

[mooneye63]

So, back on track then...

This is what we have learnt, QMx will be working from replicas, made by Nick. So if it all goes ahead they will be replicas of replicas. Nothing wrong in that at all but I do recall from previous threads that people can be a bit snotty if a prop hasn't been made from the originals. I guess the argument is that things can get watered down & details lost if it is done in this way.

If you want your props made referenced from the original prop that's fine too. The challenge of working from originals I guess is how much of the imperfections do you iron out or correct?

Talking of working from original props, which has been one of the points raised in this thread, I can confirm for the doubters that CT HAS had in his possession original props inc that of the 11th Sonic some time ago, & as he has the head start will produce his 1st, hes hinted at Christmas, but its a sod to replicate.

So back to the proof of CT having an original prop that people like Phez find hard to believe possible. 1st off a few things to consider... The propmaking world is quite small. People know people who know people. CT has proven that he is an expert in producing quality replicas, he has spent time in the UK & would have, no doubt, made a lot of contacts & friends, & to cap it all the BBC have bought, & adapted his 9th Sonic for River in a forthcoming episode so they or the people who work on the production, are very much aware of his work.

Yeah, yeah all well & good, but what about the proof that hes had original props? Well, one piece of information that I can disclose that has not previously been know about the 11th Sonic prop is that the lower button hatch is secured by a 3mm magnet embedded in the rim. Now, I'd remember & keep this info as a ref for when the BBC or QMx confirm it in the future. As I say, just one of many, as yet unknown facts, I know about this complicated & tricky prop.

So Phez does that answer all your questions or are you still in denial?

 

[Holluba]

I don't mean to be combative here, but can't rather a lot of the prop facts be gleened from all the high resolution photographs that have come to light over the past couple of years?

Just for example, the pictures released for the current series have illustrated that not all of the Matt Smith sonics are identical and one is even missing one of the copper/brass struts from the central section.

Also in evidence are the numerous grub screws that hold this prop together which are clearly seen in the Visual Dictionary as well as the fact that the green rods and tip appear to have air bubbles on the surface. This to me would suggest these parts are cast in resin.

One past issue of the Doctor Who Adventures magazine (I think) recently had a shot of Matt Smith holding the sonic with the rear end cap open and facing the camera. In this shot you could clearly see the magnet catch, the red and black button and also what looked like copious amounts of hot melt glue daubed in to hold it all together.

All I'm saying is that the information is out there if we look hard enough. I'm not suggesting that this CT character is telling lies, far from it as I have no beef with either him or QMx, but what's been discussed so far is hardly proof.

From what's been spoken about so far in this thread, it seems that the Matt Smith sonic is a very complicated prop to reproduce. Hopefully someone will be able to bring an accurate replica to market at a reasonable price. I wait with baited breath as I think that this particular sonic is the coolest version ever.

Holluba