QMx & Other New Sonic Screwdrivers Thread

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I know price had been a major issue here - I would venture to guess that this would run around $700. That's pretty high, but lets face it, with the moving parts and lights (and possibley sound) coupled with the metal construction and complicated design I would think this is a far cry from replicating a lightsaber.
 
It has been pointed out that new photos show the
description I've previously mentioned, so here are a few other tasty secrets of the 11th Sonic, this time of the inner workings.

This sonic is powered by a single 12v keyfob battery accessed by removing the lower end which is secured in by a grub screw in the corian*handle and the red button is hotglued in and does not work. Also there is a white plastic stopper*on the end of the inner green rod that prevents it from flying out when Matt flicks it open.

Hope that helps? ;)
 
With respect to what is going on at Qmx, I don't think it's fair to say they are working off of a 'replica' prototype nor do I feel it is fair to say theirs will be a replica of a replica.
The master copy they have is hand-made by the SAME person who makes them for the show and, as far as I know, is 100% identical in every way to the show-used props. In that respect, it is NOT a replica - but rather an additional unit.
We ran into a similar title dilema when selling our Dexter boxes - the ones we sell are made by the same person who made them for the show and to the same exact specifications. Should they be considered replicas? It's a gray area really.
 
With respect to what is going on at Qmx, I don't think it's fair to say they are working off of a 'replica' prototype nor do I feel it is fair to say theirs will be a replica of a replica.
The master copy they have is hand-made by the SAME person who makes them for the show and, as far as I know, is 100% identical in every way to the show-used props. In that respect, it is NOT a replica - but rather an additional unit.
We ran into a similar title dilema when selling our Dexter boxes - the ones we sell are made by the same person who made them for the show and to the same exact specifications. Should they be considered replicas? It's a gray area really.

I don't think anyone has said any different. In fact, I think everyone agrees with you. A Robatto made replica is not so much a replica as the real deal.
 
Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out of any maker. I love what CT has done, and I'm interested in seeing if QMx produces these.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has thought this, but I think Rylo would make an awesome 11th sonic.
 
The Robatto prop they're working from is not 100% identical to the screen-used props--BUT THIS IS A GOOD THING. Nick seems to have made them a cleaned up, more presentable version than what is actually used for filming. I'm sure the dimensions are correct (with maybe some gaps closed up and tolerances tightened) but up-close, those things look ROUGH. Honestly, if someone handed you one of the screen-used Sonics, said it was a replica they had made and asked you for $500, you'd laugh in their face. It's an AMAZING piece of engineering with a beautiful design, but they weren't made to star in their own shots. They didn't have to be as polished as what a prop collector would expect for an expensive piece, so they're not.
So, I think QMx had Nick take some extra time to make a Sonic that would be suited for a long close-up, to give them one less obstacle as they build theirs. Probably a good idea. I'm just upset that it's taken a full year to get to this point.

With respect to what is going on at Qmx, I don't think it's fair to say they are working off of a 'replica' prototype nor do I feel it is fair to say theirs will be a replica of a replica.
The master copy they have is hand-made by the SAME person who makes them for the show and, as far as I know, is 100% identical in every way to the show-used props. In that respect, it is NOT a replica - but rather an additional unit.
We ran into a similar title dilema when selling our Dexter boxes - the ones we sell are made by the same person who made them for the show and to the same exact specifications. Should they be considered replicas? It's a gray area really.
 
We have never used a ct sonic, why would we, they pay me to make them! Rumours, that's all they are, 99% of sonic rumours are bull.
 
We have never used a ct sonic, why would we, they pay me to make them! Rumours, that's all they are, 99% of sonic rumours are bull.
I think he's referring to this image that popped up a while back with the rumor that it was going to appear in the 6th series, possibly as an in-progress River Sonic:

ctneckteeth.jpg


It does look like a CT sonic, but I really haven't seen anything else indicating that it will be on the show or where it came from. If you're curious, the original thread is here.
 
It has been pointed out that new photos show the
description I've previously mentioned, so here are a few other tasty secrets of the 11th Sonic, this time of the inner workings.

This sonic is powered by a single 12v keyfob battery accessed by removing the lower end which is secured in by a grub screw in the corian*handle and the red button is hotglued in and does not work. Also there is a white plastic stopper*on the end of the inner green rod that prevents it from flying out when Matt flicks it open.

Hope that helps? ;)
Once again, I have to stress that I'm not gunning for a fight with my replies, but the only "secret" that you have mentioned here that is new is the colour of the stopper. Batteries, hotglue and grub screws are known about. The mention of a stopper itself is actually rather obvious, there has to be one, otherwise the prop would fly apart when flicked open. This is engineering at its most basic level.

I'm not questioning here what source materials were used by whom, I'm just saying that the proof as laid forward to date isn't really proof. Frankly, at the end of the day I don't really care about any of this as from a purely selfish point of view, all I would like is a top notch replica of what I consider to be the best sonic prop to date. Whoever gets there first will no doubt receive my hard earned cash.

Speaking of reference images. Rubbertoe himself has sent photographs of the various sonics all nicely broken down into their parts to a toys website that I stumbled across earlier this year. I cannot remember what site this was, but he may well chime in here. So as mentioned previously, if you look around the internet, almost everything you'd ever need to know about these props are out there, it's just a case of looking for it and pulling the information together.

Holluba
 
This is a pointless circulatory argument. Those of us that know CT has had access to screen-used props are not going to provide evidence for pretty obvious reasons. Those that are arguing the toss aren't going to buy off him anyway, so can't we just drop it?
 
Which is why the rest of the crowd at large think you guys are either full of it or deluded or both. Just sayin'.

I think Phez summed it up best as to the real reason why proof has not been forthcoming:


Who in there right mind would steal one and send it to China to someone who is making unlicensed replicas (no doubt whatsoever a career ending move)
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I just think that the real issue is not so much the existence of proof, it's the fact that some people are miffed that He-who-shall-not-be-named has not shared this proof with everyone. But why should he?
 
I gave you details of the prop more than anyone else. This will be proven after one has been made, or someone else confirms. Its fine, though as I know & as time goes on more will come out re the state of play over this prop.

Ha, I'm reminded of a year ago when there was this sort of debate over MFX's Sonic & guess who was telling the correct facts then. CT does know his stuff!
 
So Phez does that answer all your questions or are you still in denial?

Ahhhhhhhhhh, no :lol.
It is the same pasted together publicly available information from when I brought this up on the last Sonic, and guess what, no proof ever surfaced and the same will be true here. There will be people who require no proof and that is fine. I have been reverse engineering props for too long to be fooled by a laundry list of stuff I have already figured out myself from photos.:lol

As last time I do not really care so I am simply going to drop this but here is the important thing. We have the original prop maker from the show here on this site chatting with us. There is nothing more exciting for a model maker like my self than to have the opportunity to get tips and learn things from industry professionals (especially the people from DrWho).

The unfortunate reality is that if your frame of reference on these props is a bunch of made up facts and hearsay at some point when the real information comes out it is going to collide with the trash. At that point before you post please remember that rubbertoe is the artist that makes the props that we study and replicate. Please post with the respect and decency that deserves.

Case and point, this conversation is not headed in a good direction.

the BBC have bought, & adapted his 9th Sonic for River in a forthcoming episode so they or the people who work on the production, are very much aware of his work.

You need to ask yourself, what is more likely. If that thing is a being used in the show is it more likely that the BBC bought a prop from someone who is pretty much actively stealing from them or that they simply made one up new or from the parts they have. Now the question has also been answered by the person who does the props for the show (there simply is no more credible source than that period). When these conversations come up you can either use them to learn something new from the people who really know what they are talking about or you can defend whatever made up story you have heard along the way.

CT makes money off of making sonic screwdriver props. It is not good for business if the prop maker from the show makes the masters (eg. undeniably accurate) for a competing company. The only recourse is to try to challenge the accuracy of the masters as here. My guess is that the prototype was made exactly like the screen used pieces but has not been battered from filming.

The Robatto prop they're working from is not 100% identical to the screen-used props--BUT THIS IS A GOOD THING. Nick seems to have made them a cleaned up, more presentable version than what is actually used for filming.

It takes no longer to make the screen used props well than it does to halfass them. Why would the prototype be made any different than the screen used ones other than minor hand made artifacts?
 
I think Phez summed it up best as to the real reason why proof has not been forthcoming:




I just think that the real issue is not so much the existence of proof, it's the fact that some people are miffed that He-who-shall-not-be-named has not shared this proof with everyone. But why should he?

Orrrrrrr, the whole story could just be bull**** :lol:lol:lol. Which is more likely.

This is an absolute no brainier. Think about what you are saying. What do you think a screen used 11th Doctor sonic is worth to a prop collector? I very seriously doubt they are just sitting around not under lock and key. So what you are saying is that someone who is trusted with access to the hand props is willing to take one and send it to China where someone who is making unlicensed replicas (stealing from the BBC) can copy it but will not provide even a single photo of proof despite the fact it could in no way connect to who stole it?????????

WHAT!!!! :lol:lol:lol

You guy are hilarious
 
Orrrrrrr, the whole story could just be bull**** :lol:lol:lol. Which is more likely.

This is an absolute no brainier. Think about what you are saying. What do you think a screen used 11th Doctor sonic is worth to a prop collector? I very seriously doubt they are just sitting around not under lock and key. So what you are saying is that someone who is trusted with access to the hand props is willing to take one and send it to China where someone who is making unlicensed replicas (stealing from the BBC) can copy it but will not provide even a single photo of proof despite the fact it could in no way connect to who stole it?????????

WHAT!!!! :lol:lol:lol

You guy are hilarious

You seem to forget that as soon a pic surfaces publically, it is proof that someone did something they shouldn't which would open the door to all manner of internal and external enquiries and possible police involvement which would make life very difficult for everyone involved. This way, these 'claims' can be dismissed as just that.

There are enough people here who have seen the incontrovertible proof, myself included. Unless you calling us all liars, it don't know what else to say to you.
 
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The unfortunate reality is that if your frame of reference on these props is a bunch of made up facts and hearsay at some point when the real information comes out it is going to collide with the trash. At that point before you post please remember that rubbertoe is the artist that makes the props that we study and replicate. Please post with the respect and decency that deserves.

You call for people to post with respect and decency immediately after calling them liars? Dude, no one one this forum is a CT sock puppet, no one works for him or is otherwise invested in his success. No one has any reason to lie. Nor has anyone leveled accusations of lying at Rubbertoe, QMx or anyone else involved in the manufacture of the licensed prop. I said before that I don't care whether you believe me in regards to my knowledge that CT had access... I just ask that you not call me a liar. And before you say again that you have not called me (and others here) liars, re-read the quote from you above... namely the part about "made up facts." To be clear: "made up facts" are also known as "Lies." Get some class and disagree without casting accusations on people who are trying to help other make informed decisions about their future purchasing options.




You need to ask yourself, what is more likely. If that thing is a being used in the show is it more likely that the BBC bought a prop from someone who is pretty much actively stealing from them or that they simply made one up new or from the parts they have. Now the question has also been answered by the person who does the props for the show (there simply is no more credible source than that period).

To the best of my knowledge, the BBC never manufactured a 9 Sonic with a narrow slider channel. If I am correct on that, that makes the posted image most definitely a modified CT. However, only ASP9mm knows the source of the pic, so no one else can really verify that source's claims that it is to be used on the show as accurate or not. If Nick says that no CTs are being used on the show, then I am inclined to believe him. But that doesn't mean that the mystery prop was made by the BBC, it could just as well mean that the mystery prop was never something associated with the show at all.

CT makes money off of making sonic screwdriver props. It is not good for business if the prop maker from the show makes the masters (eg. undeniably accurate) for a competing company. The only recourse is to try to challenge the accuracy of the masters as here.

Ummm... neither CT nor anyone else has questioned the accuracy of the Robatto/QMx product... in fact, here is a quote from CT himself, which you can find in his Twitter feed: "unless one of us ****s up, there shall be no difference to the prop."
What HAS been criticized is the fact that the product was announced a YEAR ago and work on getting it into production is only just now starting. CT has doubts that the QMx will ever make it to market, but I don't doubt that they'll be able to get it out and I don't think anyone else here has expressed that same doubt, either.

My guess is that the prototype was made exactly like the screen used pieces but has not been battered from filming.
Brilliant guess. I really wish I had come up with a theory like that a few posts ago... Oh, I did?

It takes no longer to make the screen used props well than it does to halfass them. Why would the prototype be made any different than the screen used ones other than minor hand made artifacts?

Um, actually, it does. That's why people halfass things. If it weren't faster, our vocabulary wouldn't even contain the word halfass for you to misdefine.

Now how about an apology to those, like myself, against whom you have made libelous accusations?
 
Which is why the rest of the crowd at large think you guys are either full of it or deluded or both. Just sayin'.

I would have liked to believe that the likes of Phez and yourself, having also been around since the year dot, would be aware that I don't bs. You may not like my opinions or tastes, but in eleven years here I don't think I've ever been called out for dishonesty, failing to share or shady dealings. I say what I think, and my word is my bond - one that I have given to CT regarding 'evidence'.

'The rest of the crowd' is about three people, no?

Those that have been insulted by CT, or taken offence to his attitude?

Not that I'm not offended by your cynicism, btw, I just think this is a ridiculous argument, and has very little to do with evidence and everything to do with personalities. Just stop pretending otherwise, and take your business to the vendor you're comfortable with.
 
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