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  1. rkpetersen

    rkpetersen Well-Known Member

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    Saw this over at the MPF; Mr. Sullivan has given his permission to repost this on other sites.

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    Tim Sullivan..
    Last week I found myself in the El Segundo Police Station having been brought in for questioning for the theft of my own belongings.

    I kid you not.

    As the Detectives detained me, questioning me for over four hours, I could not decide whether I somehow got transported into an episode of DRAGNET or THE TWILIGHT ZONE. In retrospect, it was a bit of both.

    How I got there is quite a story. It might take a few moments to read- but if you are a consignor considering consigning with Dan Levin or Premiere Props, this cautionary tale may save you from a similar experience.

    Let me begin at the beginning...

    I make my living as an independent filmmaker primarily working in the horror genre. My credits include the 2001 MANIACS franchise with Robert Englund, as well as the recent CHILLERAMA anthology film. I also served as host on vH1's SCREAM QUEENS for Season 2. By no means on the level of a Stephen Spielberg or George Lucas, I have managed to carve out a modest living, and I would not go unrecognized by fan boys at a horror convention.

    Last August, 2011, I was looking to auction off some of the costumes and memorabilia from MANIACS and CHILLERAMA. After doing some research, I discovered an auction house called Premiere Props that seemed to specialize in genre collectibles. When I saw that they worked with FANGORIA magazine, for which I once wrote for, I figured these were the guys. I gave them a call, and was handed over to the owner of Premier Props, Dan Levin.

    Dan seemed like a decent guy, was aware who was, and was eager to check out my items. We arranged for him to come over my bungalow in Venice Beach, Ca. After arriving two hours late (my first warning bell), Dan and I spent several hours going over the items. Also in attendance, per my invitation, was Earl Roesel, a very good friend of mine who had acted in CHILLERAMA and served as my personal assistant on 2001 MANIACS: FIELD OF SCREAMS.

    Earl had also been the final caretaker of beloved horror icon/ultimate collector Forrest J Ackerman. In fact, dear Uncle Forry drew his final breath in Earl's presence. It was through our mutual connection to Forry that Earl and I met and connected. His knowledge of motion picture factoids and ephemera is unparalleled by any one I personally know. Over the past three years, I have grown to deeply respect Earl, and trust him with my life.

    I asked Earl to be present so that he could offer to Levin for consignment a collection of his Ackerman memorabilia.

    Dan was very excited by the prospect of auctioning both my stuff as well as Earl’s. We shook hands that the first batch ( the MANIACS costumes and the Ackerman memorabilia) would be auctioned in the then upcoming October horror auction held in conjunction with FANGORIA magazine. NO WRITTEN AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BY ANY OF US. It was always a verbal, gentleman’s understanding that we would see how things went at the October auction, and take it from there.

    A few weeks later, I received a call from Dan reporting to me that his assistant, a gentleman named Eric Fleming, had ‘moved on’, and that he was desperately in need of someone who could replace him. He asked if I thought Earl would fit the bill. Unable to think of anyone more perfect for the slot, I fully endorsed Earl. Earl started the very next week, mid-August.

    In his new role as Director Of Consignments, Earl’s job was to solicit items for auction from consignors, collectors and celebrities. Blessed to know quite a few icons in the rock and horror industry, I offered to reach out to several of my friends for the mutual benefit of all. Dan verbally agreed to give a 5% commission to be split by Earl and me for any collectibles we brought in.

    My first stop was my buddy Tom Holland, who agreed to test the waters by consigning original storyboards and documents from his FRIGHT NIGHT and CHILDS PLAY films. Tom also agreed to show up and appear on camera during the live taping of the October auction.

    To both mine and Earl’s horrified embarrassment, the auction was an unorganized mess. Nothing went on schedule, and Tom was left sitting in a cluttered room for over two hours because Dan Levin had not properly organized the day’s itinerary. Tom grinned and bore it out of friendship to myself and Earl, but he was obviously not happy.
    Further adding to the day’s unprofessionalism was a computer screw-up that occurred during my on-camera appearance to auction off my MANIACS costumes. Somehow, the auctioning software did not work properly, and bidders were unable to bid in real time- preventing a proper bidding process. As a result, not only were many irate fans unable to place wining bids, my items sold for far less than they could have sold for. When I confronted Dan with this- he assured me that this was not the case, and that the glitch did not affect any bidding.

    I guess in retrospect, I only have myself to blame for not fleeing then and there. But Dan made a good case for himself, and truly seemed to be a good guy. And so I agreed to cautiously continue my relationship with him and Premier Props.

    In this regard, I reached out to another friend, Joe Dante, who I knew had some valuable Gremlins prototypes in his possession. Joe agreed to auction these one of a kind items in the December auction.

    As we got closer to the December auction, I had still not been paid for my MANIACS costumes sold in October. I told Dan I would not auction off anything else till I was paid. And so my CHILELRAMA items were pulled from the auction. With the December auction getting even closer, I told Dan I would pull Joe and Tom unless I was paid. Ultimately, I was, though too late to put my CHILLERAMA items on the auction block.

    And so the December auction took place. Not wishing a repeat of what happened to Tom Holland, Earl pre-recorded a segment with Joe at his office, which was played live during the December auction. Tom also auctioned off some more documents, but did not make a personal appearance.

    As expected, the Gremlins items went for high amounts. Joe was quite pleased. Dan said he would make sure Joe and Tom would be paid by early February, what with everyone needing to get thought he Christmas and New Year’s holidays.

    As we got deeper into January, Earl began to confess to me some very unsavory things he was witnessing at Premiere Props. He was constantly fielding irate phone calls from consignors who were still owed money from the October auction. Employee paychecks were bouncing, including his own. Warehouse workers were quite forthcoming to Earl of tales of insurance fraud (admittedly hearsay- but supposedly a worker was ‘let go’ when she refused to exaggerate on an insurance claim the property value of items stolen in a ‘break-in’ at the warehouse).

    Most troubling were tales of Dan taking the cash intake due consignors to instead make personal investments, hoping these investments would pay off and yield personal profits before too much time transpired and consignors started knocking on the door for their auction profits.
    At this point, I decided I would no longer work with Dan Levin and Premier Props, however I did not wish to tip him off until Tom Holland and Joe Dante received their profits from the December auction in addition to receiving the 5% commission due me and Earl.

    At this point Earl also decided he would eventually move on from Premiere Props not willing to be an unaware accomplice in any shady dealings. We also both felt that if Earl stayed there, he could perhaps help insure that Tom and Joe were paid.

    But as January dragged into February and Joe and Tom were still unpaid, along with every other consignor from the December auction, things began to escalate. It was around this time that Earl heard through the grapevine that Dan had made some bad investments, and did not have the cash to pay any consignors. His supposed game plan was to hold everyone off till the March auction, using the money from that auction to pay off the consignors in April.

    Upon hearing of this, I was livid. This coupled with Tom and Joe asking for their profits led to me to confront Dan. As usual, Dan was defiant and filled with BS rationale. According to our conversations, his business policy is to not pay any consignors until enough time goes by allowing for customers to be satisfied with their purchases. His rationale was, say he paid Joe Dante the money for the Gremlin and then the customer who bought asked for a refund or ‘charge back’ having decided the item was unauthentic. How could Dan then ask Dante for the money back?

    Okay- that seemed to make sense- except for this. Joe actually KNEW the person who bought the Gremlin. The man had paid for it immediately and had told Joe he was thrilled with it. Same with the guy who bought the Tom Holland items.

    Further more- Dan claimed to me that he paid no one till everyone was 100% pleased with their purchases. His reasoning for this was- should there be a large charge back amount as in the current case of a customer questioning authenticity (as there had been in the case of a Superman costume sold at the December auction), the chargeback would put the balance in his bank account into the negative.

    This statement of Dan’s was completely contradictory to what he had earlier told me.

    For if NOBODY was paid till every customer was pleased, then theoretically, all the proceeds from the auction would be sitting in a bank account untouched. In other words- if the guy who bought the Superman costume wanted his money back- Dan’s return of that money should in no way dip into the money in the account from Joe’s Gremlin.

    Unless…

    Dan had taken all that money and put it elsewhere. Like his own pocket for personal use or investment.

    When I questioned Dan on this- he suddenly went radio silent, telling me he would be away in New York for a week but would get back to me upon is return and ‘explain’.

    As calls poured in to Earl from enraged consignors looking for their money, and Joe and Tom remained unpaid and annoyed, I emailed Dan and his wife Dawn daily requesting that Joe, Tom and myself be paid immediately, and that until we were, I would no longer vouch for them nor would I continue to have any business dealings with them. Perhaps I should have been more specific, but I assumed that it was clear that this meant I would NOT be auctioning off my CHILLERAMA costumes that remained in their possession.

    Letting Joe and Tom know that Earl and I would do everything we could to ensure they were paid, I asked Earl via email to please return my CHILLERAMA costumes. Among Earl’s many tasks was the return of unsold property to consignors. So asking Earl versus Dan for my stuff was following protocol.

    And so- Friday, February 3rd, Earl went into the warehouse to locate my costumes. To his befuddlement, out of the hundreds of thousand of costumes in the warehouse, for some odd reason, Dan had taken my CHILLERAMA costumes and had them put into a room next to his personal office. Upon hearing this and receiving my items, I breathed a sigh of relief. With all I knew about Dan, I could only imagine what he had planned to do with those costumes……

    The following Monday, February 6th, Earl showed up at work only to be fired by Dan. Dan’s reasons for firing him? Earl had put a customer in personal touch with actor Bo Hopkins so that the customer could purchase a couple of autographed scripts from Bo. Total cash exchanged- $200 of which Earl did not receive a penny.

    According to Dan- this good deed for a sweet, aging man who needed some immediate cash and who was (and still is) owed $1000 from the December auction from Dan was a ‘breach of contract” with Earl attempting to initiate a rival business with Premiere Props while still in Premiere Props employ.

    Unbelievable. But it got even worse.

    The next day, Tuesday the 7th, both Earl and I received a call from a Detective at the El Segundo police station. According to the Detective, Dan Levin had filed criminal charges of Grand Theft against Earl naming me as the ‘mastermind’. We were told that we needed to come down to the station for questioning, otherwise face potential arrest.

    Flabbergasted, we headed over immediately. Two Detectives took each of us into his office separately. For over four hours I was questioned, telling the Detectives the entire details of the above, as well as sharing with them printed copies of emails between me and Levin.

    Apparently, Levin hacked into Earl’s personal email account and found an email exchange between us wherein I request my stuff back. Earl replies that he will get it the next day after hours. This was Levin’s basis for his criminal charges against me as the ‘master mind’ of a ‘crime’.

    The Detective asked if I had ever signed an agreement with Dan saying he could auction my property. I had not and told him so, adding that if I had- I would like very much for Levin to produce it. According to the Detective, Levin said that I had indeed signed such a contract, but that earl had ‘destroyed it’.

    Again- UNBELIEVABLE.

    After hours of this, the Detective told me and Earl that he did not believe there was any ground for criminal charges, but that, although he thought it was all bull****, he would have to adhere to the letter of the law and send the case to the DA, who would then decide if this all merited a Civil matter, which could lead to me and Earl confronting Dan Levin down the road in court.

    Which we BOTH would welcome, for as of this writing, 2/27/12, no one form the December auction has been paid, including Tom Holland, Joe Dante and Bo Hopkins. Earl and I have not been paid any of our commissions, and probably never will be.

    All evidence points to Dan Levin indeed holding off from paying December consignors till sometime in April, after his upcoming March 24th auction.
    God help those consignors who auction off stuff March 24th.. I can only wonder if and when they ever will be paid.

    Dan’s firing of Earl Roesel and failed attempt to have us arrested and brought up on criminal charges are all a transparent smoke screen to deflect attention from his own wrongdoing, as well as a failed attempt to intimidate us from questioning, exposing and further delving into his business practices.

    There is no way knowing what I do, as well as being victim of his practices, that I can stay silent on this.

    I will not let this go until Joe Dante and Tom Holland are paid in full.

    I also would hate to see anybody else be the victim of these scams.

    And so I say- use my tale as food for thought should you be considering consigning items to Premiere Props.

    Should you wish to give it a go- PROTECT YOURSELF with a contract that clearly and specifically defines the amount of time between when your item sells- and when you receive your payment.

    Make sure to build into that agreement some type of financial penalty or forfeit of commission should Premiere Props not stick to the agreed upon payment schedule.
    And whatever you do- make sure to officially request in writing any of your items in Dan Levin’s possession should you wish to have them returned to you, less you find yourself across the desk of the good men in blue at the El Segundo Police Station.
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    I am pleased to report that the police just contacted me this morning to say that after a round table discussion with all teh detectives, they not only see no basis for criminal charges, they have decided NOT to file this as a civil matter withe the DA's office.

    This is a major victory against Levin.

    Now- if only he would pay Joe Dante, Tom Holland, Bo Hopkins and everyone else still owed money from the December auction.

    As far as the commissions due me and Earl goes- we have filed with the Labor Board and Mr. Levin will be getting a nice letter from them.

    Justice is justice and what's fair is fair.

    What can is ay- I'm from Jersey!

    TAHNKS EVERYBODY FOR THE KIND WORDS OF SUPPORT.
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  2. .:MirrorminD:.

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    Good idea posting it over here as well. What a d-bag but we all knew that anyways
     
  3. batgremlin

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    WHAT THE HELL?! I was the buyer for the gremlin, and indeed I told Joe I was pleased with it. The only thing: Premiere props promised me a COA, but as I was not receiving it, I asked for it, and since then I have no reply. That's the only issue, but nothing like an "unauthentic" item, I never complained... so what?!
     
  4. alienscollection.com

    alienscollection.com Master Member

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    WHAT IN THE HELL...?

    This freakin' hobby, I swear...
     
  5. micdavis

    micdavis Master Member

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    At least half his own fault for not getting the whole thing in writing from the start.
     
  6. Jedifyfe

    Jedifyfe Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I agree. Though I won't be consigning ANYTHING with Premiere Props in the future because of this.

    I live only 1 mile from them.

    I am amazed that the El Segundo police took thier time away from pulling over teenagers and elderly to investigate this. FYI, El Segundo is a small beach town that has WAY too much funding for the fire and police. The police get brand new cars EVERY year and the crime is literally ZERO!
     
  7. Art Andrews

    Art Andrews Community Owner Community Staff

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    Wow, and I thought Premiere Props biggest issue was poor customer service, like I experienced when they sold me a broken prop...
     
  8. The Prop Stop

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    Premiereprops Hollywood auction “Mirror Mirror” auction items confusion……items that sold reoffered? | the propstop's world of entertainment memorabilia

    Pictures on the site.

    Premiereprops Hollywood auction “Mirror Mirror” auction items confusion……items that sold reoffered?
    Posted on March 19, 2012

    March 10th 2012: I awakened very early for the “Mirror Mirror” costume pieces, all 10 of the items that were to be sold at the Hollywood “costume auction” that contained vast quantities of wardrobe from a hire company.

    Unfortunately I was outbid on several of the items, some of which were offered as one off pieces, and have now mysteriously been added to the March 24th-25th 2012 LA based auction that is to take place this Saturday.

    Unfortunately more than wasting my time and getting up early for the event what seems to have transpired is that either the items were not paid for or that the auction bidding has been corrupted….specifically since the items are appearing as SOLD on the LIVE auctioneers website here. As a viewer live of the “video feed” and the two auction services I was under the impression that these items were sold to floor and internet bidders. It seems this is not the case if this information is to be viewed at with an open eye…in fact no “internet” bids are registed as the winner…only “competing bidders”….which would be a floor bidder, phone bidder or the other “competing” internet site.
     
  9. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Total agreement here.

    Business first when it comes to auctioning off Screen-used props


     
  10. Art Andrews

    Art Andrews Community Owner Community Staff

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    Ehhh... it is easy to say that (really easy for Mic, since everything he has had to say for the past 6 months has been nothing more than pooping on people) from a third party perspective, but a lot of prop deals come out of friendships and acquaintances, not out of contracts.

    Should you always get it in writing? Yes.

    Should you have to? You really shouldn't.

    I do a bit of business with Prop Store and while we do put things in writings many times, we don't always and it is more of a handshake and a knowledge of the person you are dealing with (in my case, with Brandon and Stephen). Whether it was in writing or not, I can't imagine Prop Store doing something like this in a thousand years and if we had a disagreement on something (and we have from time to time), I know that I could call them and get it worked out. I think it is more about picking the right people to work with than it is about paperwork. Not downplaying getting things in writing, as in this litigious society, you have little choice, but I think it is even MORE important to know who you are dealing with.
     
  11. batgremlin

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    My god... My fears seem to be legitimate: that gremlin sold exactly for my MAXIMUM bid... I thought it was VERY strange, as it was not a round number at all (I live in Belgium and my max bid in dollars was a conversion from Euros)... I was afraid they had artificially raised my bids until reaching my maximum... and apparently, it seems they are really able to do this!!! I couldn't imagine anyone would have bid just $10 under my completely illogical amount... as normally, the increment was of $500 at that stage... I asked to see the other bids at the time (I was already suspicious), but they said they kept no trace of anything as it was a live auction... seems I may have lost THOUSANDS because of their dishonesty?!
     
  12. The Prop Stop

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    I'm sorry to say sir that it seems very likely.
     
  13. Eopie Herder

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  14. .:MirrorminD:.

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  15. GKvfx

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    The problem is that when you add money to the mix - especially large amounts of money - and have people involved that take commissions and such, it ceases to be a hobby and becomes a business. And when you scale up the hobby to something like a auction house, paperwork becomes necessary. I'm surprised the consignor didn't ask for it and I'm surprised the auction house didn't demand it. Paperwork can protect both parties. Say what you will about Profiles and Propworx, but their policies are right there in the fine print.

    I've helped a few friends consign/sell items to Profiles and Prop Store. Where paperwork isn't exchanged in person, e-mails are kept and referenced. Everything has been professional and above board.

    Do not be afraid to ask for some type of receipt. Do not be afraid to ask for some kind of schedule 'A' that list the items, the estimated ranges, and the reserves (if any).

    I work in El Segundo and have been to a couple of their garage sales. None of the material would be anything worth mentioning on this forum - mostly furniture and set dressing stuff. Bought a couple of things for the house, but never really felt the need to take anything there for sale.

    Ha! At least one of our employees gets pulled over every week for something. You do NOT want to speed, do a California stop, drive w/out a license or anything like that in El Segundo....... The town may be like Mayberry, but the cops are definitely NOT Barney Fife.....

    Gene
     
  16. woofpug

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    Did anyone see Dan Levin's appearance on Access Hollywood? Very unprofessional IMO.

    Premier props has sold quite a bit of questionable items in the past. Personally I do not trust them.
     
  17. Scareb

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    I'm really sorry to hear that dude. I hope everything gets sorted.

    Oh and Art? Pot, meet Kettle.
     
  18. Art Andrews

    Art Andrews Community Owner Community Staff

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    Care to expand on that?
     
  19. The Prop Stop

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    The auction is today. I've heard several people who will be videoing the auction to make sure that bids are not backtracked over the internet, and one person should be taping the auction live from the floor of the event.
     
  20. The Prop Stop

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    Just that you claim that every post that Mic makes is pooping on people and yet it seems you have to * on every post mic makes. Makes you a hypocrit but I don't really wanna discuss it here as it's a bit OT and unfair to the OP.
     
  22. Art Andrews

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    Oh, don't back out now. If you want to talk about hypocrisy, you express faux concern about derailing the thread now, but you posted previously, with a jab that you knew would inevitably create a derailment. It seems that you DID indeed want to discuss it here, or you wouldn't have posted and would have PMed me, as Mic did, with your concerns. But no... you wanted to make a public spectacle and given your own previous posting style, it isn't at all surprising to see that you feel justified in derailing a thread solely for the vain hope of berating the staff.
     
  23. Thibault

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    Ha !

    He is after you, now !

    :lol
     
  24. rollerboi

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    Do you really need to have "Pot, Kettle, Black" spelled out to you? Your unprovoked attack on Micdavis was classless, tasteless, and uncalled for.

    Edit: I'd say you owe Mic a public apology and then we all move on.
     
  25. Art Andrews

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    And all the usual suspects pile in... Surprise, surprise...
     
  26. The Prop Stop

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  27. jmcdermott1

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    I've had issues with Premiere in the past that's why i quit doing business with them.
     
  28. Scareb

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    How is this company still in business? I'm shocked there isn't some huge lawsuit against him.
     
  29. TeddyKGB

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    New to the forum so I don't want to sound like I am trying to add fuel to the fire but its hard to believe PP's business practices are just now reaching this forum. A friend had auctioned off some VERY high profile pieces with them in the past .
    He had to wait 9 months before he was paid and that was after having legal papers sent to them . Tons of emails phone calls always the same BS .
    They (pp) used to get almost every new film that came out its really down to almost nothing seems the studios have had enough of the drama to .
    These type of live auctions are what its all come down to there is nothing really left if these go so will they . Of all the major auction houses that move movie memorabilia they are right at the bottom . Especially with Dan running things the way he does it will continue .
     
  30. pollinh

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    that our story :
    They sold my Starwars Collection 11.738 USD and only after I threaten them with a lawyer and criminal charges the give me the check after 45 days - agremment says 30Days - They always have payment issues - the sold couple item on the 15 September and we found out the item are still in the warehouse - also is very unsual pay after 30Days there is a clear terms and condition on the buyer end Quote " Complete payment is required the day of the auction. Acceptable forms of payment are Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Discover, Checks (with bank letter of guarantee), Cash (In House Only) and PayPal but under the express condition that any property purchased by credit or debit card shall not be refundable, returnable, or exchangeable, and that no credit to Buyer’s credit or debit card account will be issued
    under any circumstances." Quote so they make intrest in 30 days that one part,
    Also the invoices are not clear.
    Processing fee 416 - Finale Value fee 333. So we don't know who paid with credit car.
    They do not sell on ebay - why ? They have to follow the ebay terms and condition. They use liveauction.com and Icollector.com both a not verifiy the buyer or seller - that are the very bad place you bid on - you can get a fake account and bid the **** just for fun.
    We had a stormtroopers sold on Liveauction.com for 4600USD

    http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/12675781_star-wars-stormtrooper-figure
    He never sold we still have the item so here is something wrong.

    My feeling may off but here is something not quite rigth with the Dan Levin company.
    I was digging deeper -

    Here is a Shop

    Premier Props

    12130 Ventura Blvd Studio City, CA 91604 | Get Directions »



    310-322-7767


    https://www.facebook.com/dan.levin.585




    Entity Name: PREMIERE PROPS INC.
    Entity Number: C2376742
    Date Filed: 02/07/2002
    Status: ACTIVE
    Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
    Entity Address: 128 SIERRA ST.
    Entity City, State, Zip: EL SEGUNDO CA 90245
    Agent for Service of Process: GREG S. BERNSTEIN
    Agent Address: 9601 WILSHIRE BLVD. STE 240
    Agent City, State, Zip: BEVERLY HILLS CA 90210







     
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  31. AParrette

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    so sad that scam artists actually do some crazy and stupid **** and hope to not get caught
     
  32. Monkey67

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    i looked that those auctions before thinking wow that might be cool to have. Everything i bid on went pass my limit. no matter what little item or thing it was i never won. i won't be bidding with them anymore. plus the prices were crazy high on stuff. I would rather buy from propstore or ppl that own the items themselves. save us both some money from 23% auction sales cost
     
  33. brfan64

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    Now the word is out,Premiere props has done itself more harm than good.The prop community is small with very long memories.It's a small pool with lots of fish and very few sharks,easy to spot. It's a shame some opportunistic individuals try and spoil our hobby for financial gain,but it happens in all hobbies as far as I can tell.Will,be avoiding Premiere from now on.:thumbsup
     
  34. drftfan

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    Two weeks ago I was on I collector. I bought a medallion from pirates of the Caribbean. The ONLY reason I bid on it is because the host said Keira knightly wore it. After the auction I started researching and of course she never wore this piece. In their description they mention her name but not that she wore it. I think it is very deceptive and I am going to give it right up to the 45 day PayPal time then file a complaint since I am sure I won't have it by then.
     
  35. Alan Castillo

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    Is this the auction ?

    Pirates of the Caribbean: Black Pearl Medallion

    If it is, then I don't understand.

    As you say, the description does not mention she wore it

    "Who wouldn't want to save Keira Knightley (playing Elizabeth Swann), even if you have to deal with the "undead"? This medallion was used in "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl", the first in one of the most successful movies series of all time. (approx. 2 1/4" diameter)"

    Yes, the mentioning of her name is 'jazzing it up', but I don't think it can be classified as misleading in any way.

    Yet you also say the 'host' mentioned she wore it. What do you mean ?
     
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  36. drftfan

    drftfan Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    "We have here a medallion worn by Keira Knightly in pirates of the Caribbean". That is how it was misleading. Only after the auction was over did I go back and read the description. While I can chalk that up to not paying attention, but when the host of the auction in fact states it was worn by her... Well I wouldn't have bothered bidding on it otherwise.
     
  37. Rik1138

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    You must be new to Premiere... Never listen to anything the guy on the video says, he has no idea what he's talking about. He's just a hired radio host or something, knows nothing about props...

    As for the medallion, I don't ever remember Keira wearing anything other than the gold Aztec coin (although I could be wrong about that), which this obviously is not... Did you want _that_ medallion, or where you just interested in it because you thought it was worn by Keira?

    Another tip- If it was supposedly touched by Keira in Pirates, it will likely sell for much more than $100... :)
     
  38. Monkey67

    Monkey67 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Word, they wanted it likely cause they thought it was laying n touching Keira boobies. Ha
     
  39. drftfan

    drftfan Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I wanted it because it was in a major movie and thought was possibly worn by a principal actor. It doesn't matter at this point. All I do know is it needs to be here by the 45 day mark. There is not any valid reason why it shouldn't be.
     
  40. Alan Castillo

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    Where does it say that ? That is what I am not understanding.

    This is the auction description.

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    Or did they change the wording ?
     
  41. andy19422

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    I think he was watching a live video feed of the auction and the Auctioneer described it as worn by her.
     
  42. Alan Castillo

    Alan Castillo Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That being the case, it would also explain the 'host' part. That is what I was not understanding.

    redbird1, I hope you sort this out :thumbsup
     
  43. Alan Castillo

    Alan Castillo Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    At the risk of sounding like I have a one-digit IQ :lol, how do Premier Props relate to icollector.com ? Were they just agents for PP, or was someone directly from PP the 'host' who said the medallion was worn by Keira Knightly ?

    Hey, if I don't know, I ask :lol
     
  44. Rik1138

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    iCollector is just an online auction site, anyone can sign up with them and conduct an auction.

    During Premiere Prop's live auctions, they (PP) hire someone to sit in front of a camera and play up the props, sometimes interview film makers, etc, etc... He's always going on about how props are a great investment and will only increase in value, etc, etc... :) You can watch this video live while the auction is taking place. That's the host redbird is talking about. He has a copy of the description that's on the website, and he usually reads that. He'll then sometimes go one make more statements about the item, and sometimes they are wrong. In fact, I wouldn't trust anything he says, he doesn't know anything about props. I wouldn't be surprised if he went on to describe the medallion as one of the cursed coins.. He just tends to ramble on about what he remembers in a movie and it gets associated with the prop in question (sometimes he does reveal important things about the prop in question too, so it is still good to watch).
     
  45. Alan Castillo

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    Gotcha :) :thumbsup

    I was trying to make a connection between the medallion & Premier Props.
     
  46. Art Andrews

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    For what it is worth, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I got burned on a poorly described prop earlier this year from Premiere Props.

    http://www.therpf.com/f45/immortals-greek-hoplite-helmet-134796/

    I wrote their customer service and got nothing.

    Well, either being brave or stupid, a full Immortals Hoplite costume came up from them at a killer price and Kristen really liked those designs, so I rolled the die and gave them another shot.

    Costume came in last week and it is great, completely intact and in good shape. Posted a photo of it here:

    http://www.therpf.com/f45/hoplite-costume-immortals-166452/

    I still feel like dealing with them is a crap shoot and their customer service simply doesn't exist, but for whatever it is worth, this transaction was clean and without issue.
     
  47. Rik1138

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    Yeah, Premiere Props and 'customer service' are two terms that don't even belong on the same page... :)

    Glad you got a good transaction the second time around... Was the broken piece on the first helmet even included? I wouldn't be surprised if it was intact _at_ the auction and was broken when they packed it up, and just didn't say anything. Wouldn't be the first time that happened...

    If it's manageable, you should just come out to LA for the auction if there's something you really want that might cost a significant investment. You'll get to see it in person, and if you win it you can pay immediately and take it home with you. That way you see it up close first, and you know it won't get messed up in packing/shipping...
     
  48. jdebord

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    I continue to receive complaints from individuals who consign material to Premiere Props, who then claim that they have not been paid in a timely manner following the sale of those goods.

    If anyone is considering consigning pieces to ANY auction house, I cannot stress enough the importance of reading their consignment agreement prior to signing it and entering into a contract with them... just on the payment issue, here is what was contained within the agreement of the latest individual to complain to me about not being paid:

    15. SETTLEMENT. Premiere will mail Consigner’s sale proceeds (not including the Buyer’s Premium, sales, use, GST, VAT or other transactional taxes, charges or duties [including but not limited to credit card fees], insurance received) from the successful bidder to Consigner, less Premiere’s selling commission, within thirty (30) days of the actual receipt of such sale proceeds. Premiere will process all payments from successful bidders and follow customary procedures for auctions in the U.S. in collection of the sale proceeds, and Consigner expressly acknowledges and agrees that Premiere will have no obligation to enforce payment by any purchaser or bidder, and has no liability for any failure by any purchaser to make payment. In the event of a failure of a buyer to pay the sale proceeds, Consigner holds Premiere harmless from liability of collection of the sale proceeds from the successful bidder. If Premiere does not receive payment from the successful bidder and the Property is still in Premiere’s possession, Premiere may in our sole discretion cancel the sale and (i) re-offer the Property or (ii) return the Property to you under the terms of this agreement.
    Basically, they are saying that they will pay "you" (the consignor) 30 days after they are paid by the buyer, not 30 days after the end of the auction. And, well, if the buyer doesn't perform, well... too bad. So how one would know when the auction house is paid by the buyer, well, that would be hard to know, and a challenge to know when that clock starts ticking.

    All of these contracts are of course going to be in the favor of the auction house (no matter who it is), so people really need to read these, understand them, and accept the various outcomes that might result from the terms applied to actions and circumstances outside of the control of the consignor...

    Jason
     
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  49. drftfan

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    It is what it is for me. My fault 100 percent. I just wish I would have bought something else.
     
  50. The Prop Stop

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    New press release.

    Join Premiere Props for the annual Holiday Hollywood Auction Extravaganza where over 1,000 movie props and costumes will be up for
    auction on Saturday, December 8th and Sunday, December 9th. There will be a preview from 9-11am PT the live auction beginning each day at 11am PT. The auction will take place at Premiere Props headquarters in El Segundo, (128 Sierra Street, El Segundo, CA 90245)and will be streaming live online.

    The event will feature iconic items from films and television shows including AMERICAN HISTORY X; AUSTIN POWERS; BATMAN AND ROBIN; BATMAN BEGINS; BOOGIE NIGHTS; CASINO ROYALE; CLICK; DIE ANOTHER DAY; THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK; THE EXORCIST; THE FIFTH ELEMENT; FORREST GUMP; JERRY MAGUIRE; THE MAIN EVENT; MONSTER; YENTL; STAR WARS; STAR TREK; TERMINATOR 3; TITANIC; and UNDER CAPRICORN.

    Items include:
    • James Bond’s (Daniel Craig) knife from CASINO ROYALE and several items from DIE ANOTHER DAY including James Bond’s (Pierce Brosnan)’s gun and M’s (Judi Dench) trench coat
    • FORREST GUMP’s (Tom Hanks) hero screen-used braces
    • JERRY MAGUIRE’s (Tom Cruise) screen-used baseball cap worn during the famous “Show me the money!” scene at his desk
    • Roller Girl’ “Lolita” heart-shaped glasses from BOOGIE NIGHTS
    • The “magic” universal remote from CLICK
    • Luke Skywalker’s (Mark Hamel’s) hand casting with saber from THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
    • Sulu’s (George Takei) “Tunic” from STAR TREK (1966)
    • Captain Kirk’s Miniature Robot from STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE (and STAR TREK 3: IN SEARCH OF SPOCK)
    • Regan MacNeil’s (Linda Blair) “devil’s tongue” from THE EXORCIST
    • Batman’s (George Clooney) “Ice” Cowl from BATMAN AND ROBIN
    • Tom Hank’s screen used ice skate he used to knock out his tooth in CAST AWAY, along with the screen-used tooth and the necklace he fashioned for it
    • AUSTIN POWERS’ (Mike Myers) screen used plates for his “Shaguar”
    • A “Human Shrunken Head” from Alfred Hitchcock’s UNDER CAPRICORN.
    • Mini-Me’s (Verne Troyer) hairless cat screen used in AUSTIN POWERS. (Cat is signed by Verne)
    • Arnold Schwarzenegger’s screen used shotgun from TERMINATOR 3
    • The screen-used hand gun used by Charlize Theron (Aileen), to kill her victims’ in MONSTER
    • Ed Norton’s screen used handcuffs from AMERICAN HISTORY X
    • Four blankets from all four classes used in TITANIC
    • A full size screen used head (with flying goggles) of one of the Mangalore’s from THE FIFTH ELEMENT
    • Ducard’s (Liam Neeson) screen-used sword from BATMAN BEGINS
     

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