Predator on-screen skinning?

[CRANIUM]

Hi guys,is it just me or is it about time we actually got to see a predator skin his victim in the next movie?

 

[afedorniak]

yeah i was wondering the same thing curious,would b interesting to see.last time i saw someone getting skinned was the horror film train,the opening titles were showing a man skinning a man,grusome!!!

 

[Darth Pinhead]

I just don't see it happening and frankly, hope it doesn't. I think it would push the movie over the edge into horror-porn, along the likes of Hostel, which I'm not sure is a good idea for the franchise, anyway. I'd much prefer an original storyline that contained subplots, foreshadowing, etc. Call me old-fashioned, but as much as I like some good blood and guts horror flick (Just watched The Hills Run Red two nights ago, for example), I'd prefer the brutality to be more after-the-fact and kept at its current level of gore...

 

[Tatsu]

I agree with Darth. One of the things that made the first skinned victims scary as hell was that it was totally un-expected. The Pred skinning the victim isn't nearly as scary as say a victim who had an assault rifle getting hung up in a tree or a ceiling by an invisible line, watching the pred extend his Gauntlets out & then the blood curdling scream from the victim then a scene cut to a local area. It's not what you see that's scary, it's what you don't see.

 

[Skullsplitter]

however it might be over the top, I would like to see it happen. Not full-body-gore-in-your-face, just an actor screaming in anguish (close-up) while we see and hear his skin being sliced and ripped off out of focus. Make the predators scary again, please.

 

[headdragon1]

To me this is why movies are not scary anymore. Everyone wants to take it one step farther to make them scary again and we have seen so much out of movies in the past that I dont know if a pred movie could be scary. Hell the first one wasnt scary when I watched it for the first time when I was like 5. It was a cool action movie with an alien in it. Not a thing scared me so I dont know why some poeple think the pred should be scary. Skullspliter asked to make Predator scary again and i dont think that is possible. The reason I say that is if you use tatics such as these it takes it from being a scifi action movie to being horror/gore and that is not any better and it crosses into a different style of movie which it would be a crappy version of. Kind of how AVP went more scifi than it did action scifi. It went so far into the scifi side that it was a bad scifi movie and a bad action film.

It has always been my belief that they skin them after they are dead? So the before described scene wouldnt make since. That takes all ideas of honor or morality that the preds have away. Because that touches on sadistic torturing.

 

[CRANIUM]

I understand that theres this torture porno phase in movies at the mo(AVP-R hospital pregnant women=bad taste),but what i mean is like a skinning that you cant quite see,would the victim still be alive or dead? it would only be shocking if the victim would still be alive and would have to be portrayed in such a way not for it to look torture pornoish and not to be gory for the sake of it.
Also it would have to be clear why the predator would skin this certain individual,do predators keep the skins of prey that they find a good challenge?
My main point is that it would need some kind of point to why a predator does this and not for it to just look good on film.

 

[Skullsplitter]

To me this is why movies are not scary anymore. Everyone wants to take it one step farther to make them scary again and we have seen so much out of movies in the past that I dont know if a pred movie could be scary. Hell the first one wasnt scary when I watched it for the first time when I was like 5. It was a cool action movie with an alien in it. Not a thing scared me so I dont know why some poeple think the pred should be scary. Skullspliter asked to make Predator scary again and i dont think that is possible. The reason I say that is if you use tatics such as these it takes it from being a scifi action movie to being horror/gore and that is not any better and it crosses into a different style of movie which it would be a crappy version of. Kind of how AVP went more scifi than it did action scifi. It went so far into the scifi side that it was a bad scifi movie and a bad action film.

It has always been my belief that they skin them after they are dead? So the before described scene wouldnt make since. That takes all ideas of honor or morality that the preds have away. Because that touches on sadistic torturing.

It is possible, only nowadays many directors choose not for suspense, but for shock and awe. I like the former, but we get the latter. I don't want to see it like Silent Hill-skin-shredding, but like agony, terror, suggested gore instead of on screen. It made the first Saw infinitely better than all those that came afterwards (I stopped after the second one because it made the fundamental mistake not to rely on suspense but rather increasing steps of sickness).

There is no sense of threat if there's a big monster storming straight at you. But let's go back to 2004, the first couple of episodes of Lost, and all those tree's were shaking with the booming sound in the jungle. The what the **** moment. It worked. And even later, when we knew it was smoke, the directors chose to make it threatening, taking it's time before it attacked. Few of those scenes in last 4 alien and/or predator installments.

 

[headdragon1]

It is possible, only nowadays many directors choose not for suspense, but for shock and awe. I like the former, but we get the latter. I don't want to see it like Silent Hill-skin-shredding, but like agony, terror, suggested gore instead of on screen. It made the first Saw infinitely better than all those that came afterwards (I stopped after the second one because it made the fundamental mistake not to rely on suspense but rather increasing steps of sickness).

There is no sense of threat if there's a big monster storming straight at you. But let's go back to 2004, the first couple of episodes of Lost, and all those tree's were shaking with the booming sound in the jungle. The what the **** moment. It worked. And even later, when we knew it was smoke, the directors chose to make it threatening, taking it's time before it attacked. Few of those scenes in last 4 alien and/or predator installments.

The skinning i dont think would be suspenseful personally. It would lend more toward the horror genre and I hated Saw. It was terrible IMO. I got a lot of friends that lvoe it but they liked the first Hostel too tho. I just dont want the predator franchise to go that way. I know we can have different ideas. I dont think the pred as a killer just to be a killer. I think he is a hunter? Me growing up as a hunter and around hunters dont really think of a hunter as someone or something that skins its prey alive. That sadistic.... Unless you do a bad blood of coarse then it could possibly work.

The examples you give are good examples but I dont think we can achieve that in a pred or alien movie. The reason being is that we will be expecting whats making all the ruckus. That WTF moment wont be there because we will be like its a pred. I guess with enough good writing you might get something of a ooohhhhh I wonder if they are gonna make it or not?

 

[syldar]

Personally i would just like to see the net launcher used again pinning an opponent to a tree. Something in the way of multiple foes that get decimated like in the drug gang massacre in predator 2 in the apartment. Then all of the skinned.

This is where i get to my point of the skinning - watching it being done just desensitises you to it and it becomes less and less shocking as an occurence. Having the mystery of how it happened is the best thing about any horror or thriller movie and also allows the film makers to be spared from making a potentially poor display of how the pred does it (speed and technique) as it will be something neew on screen.

Also as mentioned earlier in this thread horror porn style brutality is too common nowadays and has really taken a lot of impact out of otherwise nasty events.

i want the old horror back when things had mystery and the cards were only revealed near the end not the beginning. Ones where near the end when it was revealed you jump several feet in the air screaming HOLY ****... before being clipped over the ear by a parent XD

 

[tk1055]

I agree that is why old horror was the best! Your mind had to work out all the gory details for you. Your imagination is always better than what they deliver on screen. One great example Texas Chainsaw Massacre. In the original you see Leatherface lift up a guy, camera cuts to the meat hook behind him and zooms in a bit, cut back to Leather face moving the guy closer to the hook, cut to shadow on the wall of the guy being impaled on the hook. Now here is that same scene in the remake (or as I call it Jessica Beil takes the "twins" for a jog in the rain ) Leather face picks up the victim, cut to hook, cut back to leather face as he slams the guy onto the hook showing the hook entering the flesh and everything, enter gore and done.

The first way lets your mind linger on what is not shown the other just shows too much and goes from scary to gross.

 

[damagecase]

First of all the prey would have to have been killed. Unless of course they are pushing the insane hunter angle. The reason the prey would have to be killed is basic hunter ethics. Clean kills are the most respected. I think they should do it but not show it entirely. You know extreme close ups of different body parts, to the degree that the viewer can just barely identify them, and having the skin slowly peeled back. Maybe a couple blade penitration shots and bloody hands but with the fully skun body only revealed in heavy shadow, especially if the body was of a known character in the story. Perhaps a piece of jewelry or other identifing item shown similar to Danny's necklace in P2. I honestly think that the ultimate direction for a Predator mivie would be to almost hybridize P1 with a Hellraiser flick. I know its not incredably popular idea but there has been so much done to make the preds into heros or at least protagonists already. They were ment to be monsters...time to show them aas such.

 

[vgfett]

First of all the prey would have to have been killed. Unless of course they are pushing the insane hunter angle. The reason the prey would have to be killed is basic hunter ethics. Clean kills are the most respected. I think they should do it but not show it entirely. You know extreme close ups of different body parts, to the degree that the viewer can just barely identify them, and having the skin slowly peeled back. Maybe a couple blade penitration shots and bloody hands but with the fully skun body only revealed in heavy shadow, especially if the body was of a known character in the story. Perhaps a piece of jewelry or other identifing item shown similar to Danny's necklace in P2. I honestly think that the ultimate direction for a Predator mivie would be to almost hybridize P1 with a Hellraiser flick. I know its not incredably popular idea but there has been so much done to make the preds into heros or at least protagonists already. They were ment to be monsters...time to show them aas such.

I think seeing a guy being thrown to the ground and having his spine and skull ripped out while he was still alive was more than enough for me (Predators).

 

[Lflank]

Hi guys,is it just me or is it about time we actually got to see a predator skin his victim in the next movie?

I dunno. Predator is supposed to be a hunter, not a slasher or serial killer.

I'd hate to see things move towards the standard boring slasher flick.

 

[Lifeburn]

I dunno. Predator is supposed to be a hunter, not a slasher or serial killer.

I'd hate to see things move towards the standard boring slasher flick.

Real life hunters skin their prey after catching them (deer, rabbits, etc.), and the predators in the movies skinned people and hung them from trees. Doesn't make it a slasher flick. Which makes me wonder...why do the predators skin the people? Do they eat the skin? Is it scare tactics? I pretty sure they don't keep skin as trophies.

 

[damagecase]

I would think the skinning serves as a warning to keep less worth prey out of the equation. In P1 and 2 the preds skin people in areas where they are discovered. Perhaps the preds figure any unworthy prey would be terrified by the discovery and would leave the area where as worthy prey would continue on into the hunting ground.
Furthermore, preds don't skin their prey alive. They have an ethical code.
As to what they do with the skins, who knows. I guess it would be cool to see their lair lined with human skins kinda like the house of pain in Jeepers Creepers. That would be kinda crazy but with creating the pred as a monster in a film, who knows, it could work...

 

[Skullsplitter]

The skinning i dont think would be suspenseful personally. It would lend more toward the horror genre and I hated Saw. It was terrible IMO. I got a lot of friends that lvoe it but they liked the first Hostel too tho. I just dont want the predator franchise to go that way. I know we can have different ideas. I dont think the pred as a killer just to be a killer. I think he is a hunter? Me growing up as a hunter and around hunters dont really think of a hunter as someone or something that skins its prey alive. That sadistic.... Unless you do a bad blood of coarse then it could possibly work.

The examples you give are good examples but I dont think we can achieve that in a pred or alien movie. The reason being is that we will be expecting whats making all the ruckus. That WTF moment wont be there because we will be like its a pred. I guess with enough good writing you might get something of a ooohhhhh I wonder if they are gonna make it or not?

The WTF-moment is perhaps a wrong description. I just want the Pred to be omnious, threatening, dangerous again. post-P2 predators have been far too human/standard movie-monster in performance imo, save for the Wolf.