Predator Deal Gone Bad .... BIG UPDATE PIC HEAVEY

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  1. Supa troop

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    As a long standing member here i feel its my duty to tell a tale of a deal gone bad, the staff on the Lair are aware of the situation and have been great in their support. I feel its only right that i post here also as i know the person who my deal has gone bad with is selling here and offering commissions too, so please proceed with caution .......

    Im just going to post my thread here that i posted on the Lair, the staff there as i have mentioned have been great and are in reciept of some the conversations i have been having with the seller.

    Im expecting a bit of a backlash from this ie a loss off nearly £580 but in hidsight if saves everyone else from losing out or getting ripped off then thats a minor price to pay.

    It pains me to have to do this, it really does but ive just had enough now of lies, excuses and blatant attempts to make me feel bad with tales of Hunger amd povety living.

    During the run up to christmas my misses asked was there anything particular id like for christmas as an extra present, id been browsing here and came across a really good thread of someone offereing Predator Masks Finished and ready to wear.

    Id always wanted a Predator Head to display, the ultimate being a 1:1 Bust but anyway i thought the head would be a cool start.

    So the misses agreed she could afford an extra gift for me and i made contact with the BWEAPON (PAUL) , i told him it was a gift for me from the Misses and i was assured the Head would be with me well in advance of Christmas, So the Misses Paid in Full + a little extra for a Finished head all painted and foam filled ready to display.

    I then set about getting the extra Bits i needed to finish the mask off to make a Full Predator head, Quills, glass eyes Dredds and Dredd beads.

    As Christmas was drawing closer i began to wonder where the Mask was as i had not heard anything since placing the order and paying in full so i contacted the seller and asked were their any updates, after a few days he contacted me saying there was a problem and he was very sorry but the mask wouldn't be ready until the new Year roughly second week in.

    I thought ok i can live with that no worries so was happy to wait. I then had the idea of buying in a Male torso hoping i could paint it up and perhaps mount the Head once it was all complete, so i posted here asking a question about the Male Torso.

    The seller of the mask saw this post and Contacted saying he could help with the torso if i were to help him in return.

    He is just starting out in the Prop Making industry and wanted to build up an impressive Portfolio to show people his work and wanted to use my Mask as a base for a nice display piece, so he could take pictures for his porfolio.
    Intriqued by this i asked what he had in mind, the seller said that if i were to send him the Torso and all the other Pieces to make a complete head he would construct a 1;1 bust (basically my dream display) at no extra cost and by way of an apology for missing the Christmas deadline.
    I asked how long this would take and if he could quarantee me that it would be done For My Birthday which was March then, yes i would go for that.
    I had a message in January stating the Mask was all finished apart from the beads and quills and he was now constructiing a new new torso as the one i sent he felt was too small, however we were still on schedual for a march completion date.

    Every couple of weeks id send a message or txt asking if everything was ok and always made the point of saying how appreciative i was of his gesture and always offered extra payments, sometimes i would get a reply but more often than not id get no replies at all.

    With a week to go before my birthday, with no major updates or photos of works in progress i sent a txt asking if the bust would be ready, i got a reply saying unfortunately due to bad weather, money problems and no materials he had to put a halt on the work but was due to recommence shortly and could he have more time.
    Dissappointed by this i was in 2 minds wether to halt the deal and ask for everything back or give him the benefit of the doubt.

    After a few txts back and forth it was agreed i gave him more time and another completion date was set, that came and went and yet more time was agreed until Today .................. ive now had enough and asked for everything back By this Friday.

    There has been nothing but excuse after excuse and although very greatful for the gesture of a Bust i just want what my misses paid for and the extra £350 worth of materials i sent.

    The truth basically has finally come out, it turns out this guy takes on commissions but then has to sell other products to fund those commissions, so unless he sells he cannot afford to finish other work and projects.

    I have basically been waiting for an item that was never going to arrive on the specified or agreed dates, if at all, until this guys had sold enough raw masks to buy the materials needed to finish my mask, and other projects

    Ive had every excuse thrown at me from Bad Weather, to living on the bread line, he begged me not to tell anyone of this bad experience because it would harm his reputation and cause mis trust amoungst other potential buyers ............... but what am i to do, surely everyone has there breaking point and mine has come

    5 months is surely Long enough but to find out the guy making something for you has got no money to even buy the materials he needs is surely taking the **** !!!!!!
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2012
  2. Alan Castillo

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    It saddens me very much to hear this Simon :(

    Does he live in the UK ?

    If he does, and he hasn't given you what he owes you by this Friday as the limit you set .... road trip, with a small pit-stop at the local copper's depot and file a report.

    If you've reached your limit, don't extend any more as it will most probably not get any better, just more procrastination.

    Stamp your foot down hard.
     
  3. Alan Castillo

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    You could also file a charge-back through your card for what you paid. Still, he would also owe you what you sent him, and you can't charge-back that. So if he doesn't return your stuff by when you want, see post above.

    Sorry to sound so harsh, but I totally understand what you mean by reaching the limit. Personally, once it snaps, it snaps and its ton of bricks time.

    That's the only way to deal with people like this.
     
  4. Wes R

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    You've been more than generous with this guy, it's time to look into getting your cash back and making sure he doesn't do it again.
     
  5. Supa troop

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    Thanks Al :thumbsup

    Sometimes even the most coy of us get sucked into a deal that just sounds to good to be true, on this occassion it was me :)

    What makes me feel bad is Frosty (Ian) offered to do a bust for me too but i chose to go with someone who is just starting out, so yet another valuable lesson learned, go with who you know best
     
  6. Supa troop

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    Just a couple of heads up here

    i see now there is another Guy who has been waiting since last November for a piece he has paid for

    and

    is there anyway of contacting the people who have signed up here and parted with money already to be careful

    http://www.therpf.com/f13/1-1-fullsize-esb-freeborn-style-yoda-143589/
     
  7. Alan Castillo

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    So is this guy in the UK Simon ?
     
  8. Xris

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    Thanks for the heads up. I was in a very similar situation with a large group of others on a different forum. Took 4 years for items and refunds to be sent after countless emails with many others still waiting.
    It came to the point of demanding a refund or taking the matter further.
    Good luck!
     
  9. ralphee

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    You have done the right thing Simon, remember this, this is YOUR money the guy is playing, the money YOU work hard to earn, period.
    Id have to agree though, if he is UK based, it would be all too tempting to just visit and let him know your not going away.

    lee
     
  10. Supa troop

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    yes mate and i have the address
     
  11. Alan Castillo

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    Re: Predator Deal Gone Bad ....

    Honestly, in the circumstances, look at the silver lining and count yourself lucky :thumbsup
     
  12. Judge Hicksy

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    Re: Predator Deal Gone Bad ....

    Dang Si. Sorry to hear.
     
  13. Too Much Garlic

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    Re: Predator Deal Gone Bad ....

    Absolutely the worst way to do business as he'll dig himself deeper and deeper into dept from the get-go. Fastest way to bury yourself.

    Sorry to hear this happening.
     
  14. mrphunk

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    This really sucks, and I feel for you Simon. Even worse is that you chose him over someone else because you were trying to give a new prop builder a chance. What sucks too is that this guy was just starting out and experiences like this will sour people from ever going with someone attempting to get into replica prop fabrication and some really great talent might go utilized if to many bad experiences like this happen.
     
  15. Wes R

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    Re: Predator Deal Gone Bad ....

    That and a fraud report with the cops will probably do wonders.
     
  16. NormanF

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    Re: Predator Deal Gone Bad ....

    That sounds a bit like a Ponzi scheme.
     
  17. tango

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    I'll second that! Poverty, weather, lack of materials...its all BS in the end. Consider your self lucky...you learned your lesson.
     
  18. thesupremeking

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    Exactly what I was thinking. It never works.
     
  19. juliet76

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    Sorry to read about this Supa Troop, I've got an idea how you feel.

    I've been waiting over a year now for props that just aren't coming. I stuck with the lad when others pulled out (and got their refunds) and now he doesn't answer PM's on two different forums or emails he's also stopped posting and signing into his profile. Figure my moneys gone baby gone. :(

    It just sucks how you figure you'll give someone who seems to have a good rep support and then you get screwed. SCREWED! And Mr juliet76 doesn't like been screwed by anyone except Mrs Juliet76.
     
  20. Heatshock

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    hey man - I know we dis-agree abt somethings; but this sucks man
    wouldnt wish it on anyone

    Nate
     
  21. Apollo

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    Re: Predator Deal Gone Bad ....

    Start legal action now.

    You have been more than patient
     
  22. terryr

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    He's just delaying to hope you'll forget, or to let your legal opportunities run out.

    Get on it.

    You can't be naive. Con men always sound friendly. That's how they suck people in. All their victims say "golly, he seemed like a great guy".
     
  23. Supa troop

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    Just a quick heads up on this, Ive been promised that all the items i sent and the items i paid for will be with me Saturday Morning, and a tracking number tomorrow (friday)

    i will of course let you know what happens
     
  24. Too Much Garlic

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    Crossing fingers for a good outcome.
     
  25. Supa troop

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    DEVASTATED

    words cannot discribe how i feel at the moment, i cannot even begin to write anymore on this subject i feel that low.
    The Pred Head arrived today along with the Other pieces i paid for and sent to complete my order.
    HOWEVER
    What arrived would simply HAVE MADE me a laughing stock of any Prop Party i wanted to display this item at ..............

    DEVASTATED
     
  26. ralphee

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    Divulge Simon, pics maybe, if its that bad, this boy needs to be outed!

    Lee
     
  27. Wes R

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    Make sure everyone knows the guy isn't on the up and up and see to it he gets no more people to try and rip off.
     
  28. dfchang813

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    Likely he just threw something together in a few hours after things escalated to avoid more heat.

    You need to try to get your money back or at the very least describe and post pictures so he will never get work on any forum again.

    Unacceptable breach of trust and sadly happens more often than any of us would care to admit.

    All of us are dreamers to one extent or another and there are those who take advantage of a dreamer's personality.

    Sad . . .
     
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  30. Leigh

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    This is real shame :( Sorry to here this. Does he still owe you money??

    I was wondering what was happening with that Pred torso you were building :( is anything salvageable?? or is it all scrap??
     
  31. Too Much Garlic

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    What a terrible outcome. Is any of it salvageable?
     
  32. Supa troop

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    Ok so ive had time for all this to sink in, Firstly many thanks for all the messages, kind words and advice here, its really appreciated.

    There are some Pieces that we crave to have in our collections, and some of us have to rely on the good work of others to have those awsome pieces in our collection as we are simply not talented enough to do the work ourseleves.

    Having a Life Sized Pred head has been a long time want of mine, so ordering and commissioning one of these was very exciting to me, especially after recieving an amazing Bio from Daren (suckface)

    My Fiancee placed the order for a fully painted Pred Head way back in December, and it was agreed that for an Extra cost i would supply DreadLocks, Quils and Dread Rings to have what i was told The Ultimate Pred Head display.

    So after a 4 and half month wait countless Bull **** txts this is what i recieved Friday

    You will see that i have mounted the Head on a stand i did this as soon as unboxing the Head .......... because.......... the Foam Filling was still wet !!!

    At first glance it looks like a great Paint Up which to an extent it is
    But Look at the Dreadlocks They have been cut way to short and Mounted in the holes wrong

    [​IMG]

    So onto the DreadLocks the expanding foam is actually visable through some of the Dread Holes and there was obviously a problem at some point as some expanding foam went onto the actual dreads, what he has then tried to do is scrape it off Damaging the Dreads, i will now have to order some more and replace these

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    Im not convinced the head is 1;1 the dreads have been cut way to short before fitting and no neck ring fitted as agreed or promised
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    Initially i was impressed with the Paint Up but on firther inspection there are areas where the paint has chipped off the latex this being the worse

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    The Eye Area has been cut out all wrong and the Glass eyes (which i provided) have been glued in lop sided giving the impression the Pred is Cross eyed
    im unable to get to the eyes now as the whole head has been foam filled

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    The Mandibles that seem to have been glued on at some point were not attached when i opened the box, so now i have the problem of re-attaching these filling in the gaps and matching the paint, also if you look closely you see this Pred Is cross eyed

    [​IMG]

    Im not sure if i have over reacted here or not.......... you decide

    But my personal opinion is i have not recieved what i was promised for the large amount this cost us in the begining.

    couple that with the damage done to the other Parts we paid for and supplied ............. my dream has been well and truly destroyed IMHO

    To take money off somone to fund other projects is just plain wrong from my point of view
    we paid to have a Predator Head display we didnt pay to fund his YODA project which judging by his Junkyard Thread we clearly did

    as some one has mentioned This is a few hours of rushed work, not 4 months worth of carfull artistic genius.
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2012
  33. ralphee

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    That Simon is bloody awful and the man is a * for even mailing that out to you, id want to BE paid, to accept work like that.
    As for the crud on the dreads, who fitted them, an infant? This really does drag the hobby into ill repute business like this, really feeling for you bud.

    lee
     
  34. Wes R

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    I think it's time for the mods to have a talk with the guy cause he sounds like a rip off artist.
     
  35. DaddyfromNaboo

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    Already initiated. This is a case of bad dealership that should have been reported from the get go to prevent further damages to the membership.

    Michael
    RPF staff
     
  36. Hirohawa

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    Looks really bad.
     
  37. ReproMan

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    i would like to say at least some stuff turned up but seems like a fair bit of work is needed to put the pred head right. it does seem a little small to me but im no expert. the paint is better than i could have done but it sucks when you dont get what you paid for, or rather what your mrs paid for
     
  38. dfchang813

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    Oh my God.

    You're right Simon this is laughable. Absolutely ridiculous and a joke.

    This guy should be banned until he makes things right with you monetarily.

    Just terrible.

    Something needs to be STICKIED to warn other members about this guy.

    Screw second chances, I will NEVER work with this guy under any circumstances for ANY project.
     
  39. Original

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    and he call himself an artist....I can't imagine what was he thinking when he rushed this out to you. Sorry you got into this.

    I hope you will get your money back. this is unacceptable.
     
  40. Alan Castillo

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    Simon, IMHO, get a refund. Send it back. No other solution will do :thumbsdown

    Please forgive me, just trying to cheer you up a bit if it is humanly possible ....

    ....... the cross-eyes are really ..... :lol :lol :lol

    Send it back mate :thumbsup

    I'd say let him keep £1 ... for the laugh :lol:lol

    Did you HAVE to post this ! I can't stop look looking at it and burst out laughing :lol

     
  41. Alan Castillo

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    OK, now I've (sort of) stopped laughing - So long as I don't scroll up while typing this :lol

    On a very serious note :

    You paid money, not dog biscuits, for both the sculpt and the extra bits you sent him to make the full bust.

    The overall sculpt is unacceptable. The dreadlocks are damaged, the eyes are now permanently fixed in and can't be moved etc.

    If he is so confident that his work is top-notch, fine.

    You should get a refund of both the sculpt, plus the cost of the extra items you sent him, send the whole lot back to him, and he should have no problem selling it if he thinks its that good.
     
  42. jasonw2112

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    I have been to many Horror convention's, where you can walk out the
    door with a killer Predator head sculpt, for the money. This one is not
    even close! It looks horrible!

    You could try to clean it up, and refurbish it, but even then, it would be
    a lot of work (kinda like polishing a *!).

    Really bad work:thumbsdown
     
  43. ralphee

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    Cant say banning him would be worth the effort, if i turned out work like that, id be too ashamed to even show my face on the board......which i presume is the reason he hasnt been on for days.

    lee
     
  44. NormanF

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    Maybe he just made a very old predator and that is why the teeth are falling out, the eyes are crossed (the very first picture I thought it had a lazy eye), and the dreads are too short.

    If I made this I would be very impressed. But I'm just starting out and I've never carved anything except a small brain.
     
  45. Alan Castillo

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    How's this matter going Simon ?
     
  46. Supa troop

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    Well ive never heard from Bweapon again which to be honest i didnt expect to ............ so please everyone avoid.

    Thankfully Ian (Frosty) has offered to have a look at it for me and see if it is fixable, if not il have to scrap it and try and live the dream another time

    Ive sent this off to Ian today so hopefully over the next few days he will either give me bad news or show some cool progress Fingers crossed :)
     
  47. welshwarrior123

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    you could Just stick a bio on it, or ram that jango helmet on it and have the worlds most expensive mannequin head lol

    Seriously though mate I really hope this works out for you in the end :)
     
  48. made007

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    I hope you can fix it, if not let us know how can we help you :)
     
  49. Supa troop

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    Ok

    here is a little update for all those of you who have dealings with BWEAPON, or if your waiting for refunds and or items you have ordered.

    i have just recieved a very errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr actually lets just say a txt from BWEAPON, its not word for word and ive re-frained from adding the profranities sent.

    I have been accused of ruining his chances of becoming a Prop Maker and artist by highlighting my dealings with him to you all.

    He is in debt with his house, has lost his Job and is now struggling to live.

    Ontop of this his paypal has been suspended and is in Minus balance to the sum of £1000 ( i assume some of you have recieved refunds).

    I hate to see anyone fall on hard times so what should i do ............ help him out again with my money to fund all his projects so that he can get back on track and make an honest decent living again :rolleyes
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2012
  50. Wes R

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    Odd you were saving us all from him ripping us off in the future, i'm doubting his sudden story of a hard time, and what's he expect will happen to his paypal when you're doing crap like this.
     

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