Predator Backpack Greeblies - Need help with new part!

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  1. Art Andrews

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    So the guys over at the Hunter's Lair have been doing some very cool work IDing parts on the P1 Predator Backpack and finding that several are from Star Wars MPC Model kits, specifically the Falcon and the AT-ST.

    You can see their progress here:

    Predator 1 Backpack Found Parts! - Predator Weapons & Armor - The Hunter's Lair

    I had the opportunity and privileged to photograph the original pack Prop Store had at Comic Con last year and got some decent shots of the details and greeblies on the pack, which may or may not be model kit pieces.

    I have seen you guys do a phenomenal job IDing extremely obscure parts before, so I wanted to see if you could take a crack at this and see how many of the 24 unidentified parts you could help us find.

    Some of the part show up in multiple pictures or places, so that is why you see several labelled more than once.

    So, lets see what we can do and how fast these can be IDed.

    Parts:

    These are our best guesses and may not be exact matches. I plan to buy these kits and determine whether or not they are the exact part.


    1.
    2. Not sure this is actually a model piece...
    3. AMT / MPC / ERTL - Item# 38273 / 8917 / 8789 - 1:72 Millennium Falcon - Part 55/56 Landing Pad Foot
    4. Takara/Tomy 1:24 Brutishdog - Foot
    5. Imai - Item#?? - 1:72 Scale - Battroid Valkyrie Kit
    6. Tamiya - Item #35132 - 1:35 Scale - U.S. M2 Bradley IFV Kit - Part D23 - Pack hanging on inside wall
    7.
    8. Tamiya - Item #35132 - 1:35 Scale - U.S. M2 Bradley IFV Kit - Part B57 - Tow Launcher Front
    9. Tamiya - Item #35132 - 1:35 Scale - U.S. M2 Bradley IFV Kit - Part B60 - Tow Launcher Rear
    10.
    11. Tamiya - Item #35132 - 1:35 Scale - U.S. M2 Bradley IFV Kit -Part A48/A49 - Port
    12.
    13. Revell - Item #8881 - 1:12 Scale - Wright Cyclone Engine - Part 40 - Fuel Intake Pipes
    14. Italaeri / Esci / AMT - Item # 2990 / ??? / 8693 - 1:12 Scale - Force One General Dynamics F-16 Cockpit - Part ???
    15. Revell - Item #8881 - 1:12 Scale - Wright Cyclone Engine - Part 43 - Supercharger Rear Cover
    16. Tamiya - Item #35132 - 1:35 Scale - U.S. M2 Bradley IFV Kit -Part D42 - TOW Missle Tops
    17. Arii - Item #AR-302-300 - 1:100 Scale - Macross Destroid Defender - Part 7/8 - upper arm/gun arm
    18. Imai / Bandai - Item # 0153435 - 1:100 Scale - Attack Tomahawk - Part 2/4 - foream/gun arm
    19. Fujimi - Item #76005 - 1:76 Scale - Elephant German Heavy Tank Destroyer - Part 49 & 50 - Cannon Breech halves
    20. Arii - Item #?? - 1:72 Scale - VF-1J/1A/1S Armored Valkyrie - Missile Pack
    21. AMT / MPC / ERTL - Item# 38273 / 8917 / 8789 - 1:72 Millennium Falcon - Part ???
    22. Takara/Tomy 1:24 Brutishdog - Back of Inner Helmet Detail
    23. Revell - Item #8881 - 1:12 Scale - Wright Cyclone Engine - Part 2-9 - Rear Cylinder Half
    24. Takara/Tomy 1:24 Brutishdog - Hip armor flap

    Used but not listed:

    AMT / MPC - Item# 38302 / 8734 - AT-ST
    AMT / MPC / ERTL - Item# 38273 / 8917 / 8789 - 1:72 Millennium Falcon - Part 66 - Large Panel on bottom of hull
    AMT / MPC / ERTL - Item# 38273 / 8917 / 8789 - 1:72 Millennium Falcon - Part 43 - Quad cannon turret plating
     
  2. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Landing gear foot from the MPC Falcon model is part #3.

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  3. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Part #21 is one of the recessed detail areas on MPC Falcon

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  4. Damocles

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    8-9,11,16 Tamiya M2 Bradley
     
  5. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    GOOD CALL! 8 and 9 are the front and back from the TOW Launcher on the Tamaiya M2 Bradley.

    View attachment 92455
     
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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Thanks haha! I spent long enough living in a Bradley that I'd recognize those model parts anywhere!
     
  7. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    And here is part #11, just as you said, off the M2 Bradley.

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  8. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    And here is part #6 from the Tamiya M2 Bradley...

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  9. terryr

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Nothing definite.

    6 - an old tank part? [oops IDed while thinking]
    20- part of a engine.
    23- air cooled engine cylinder, one half.

    It looks like they pushed some details into soft clay or something.
     
  10. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    I was thinking #20 was flare launcher tubes on a tank or something.
     
  11. Zombie Killer

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Anyone have a tamiya M247 Stg York? I think that part in the middle of #13 is from that kit. Only scans i have are blurry.
     
  12. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Here are pics of the Sgt York. Not seeing anything matching #13. :(

    Flevo Aviation Hobby
     
  13. terryr

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    #20 to me looks like eight carbs or air cleaner hats.

    I never realized the backpack was so detailed.
     
  14. Mike J.

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    #18 - Destroid Tomahawk 'gun arm' , which suggests the possibility of other Destroid Tomahawk parts as well...
     
  15. Gigatron

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Number 1 is a collection of parts from a car, don't know which one. There's a strut assembly, the flywheel, disc brakes and what looks to be a master cylinder.

    -Fred
     
  16. Gigatron

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Number 23 looks to be a cylinder from a radial engine. Based on the detail, probably a 1/24 scale kit.

    -Fred
     
  17. Art Andrews

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    Thanks for the tips and keep them coming! I am off to research your suggestions!
     
  18. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Good call! I haven't foudn the exact manufacturer, but here is the 1:60th Yamato Macross Destroid Tomahawk, and there is no doubt, it is the right piece, just not the right manufacturer. I am going to keep looking.

    PS. Apparently the Destroid Tomahawk is also known as the MechWarrior/Battletech Warhammer.


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  19. Art Andrews

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    I probably need to see if I have a better pic of #19, but I think it is two halves of the same part, set side by side.
     
  20. Art Andrews

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    Fred, I am not a model quy, but looking at similar models, I almost have to think this is even larger than 1/24 due to the detail and size on the backpack.... I could post a more full photo of the pack if it would help. I agree thought. Definitely half of a cylinder from a radial engine.

    In looking a bit further, I think this is a "dummy engine" cylinder put on RC planes between the real engine and the propeller to make it look like the plane has an engine. These seem to come in sizes between 1/12th and 1/4 scale which is more inline with the size I am thinking... but I could be wrong.
     
  21. Art Andrews

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    I am wondering if #14 is the dashboard from the same model as #23.
     
  22. Mike J.

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    Yeah, I'm sorry I couldn't give you a maker or scale for the Destroid, but they're old kits, and might be out of production... Sorry.
     
  23. Mike J.

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    According to my Google-Kung-Fu:

    Bandai, Imai & Arii have all issued the Destroids in 1/100, since 1982.

    I'm working an angle :)

    More info soon :)
     
  24. terryr

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    You might be right. I was thinking WW1 airplane for 23, but it might be a RC plane.
     
  25. Mike J.

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    #17 - Destroid Defender 'gun arm' part.
     
  26. Gigatron

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    Yeah, the scale was a guess, since I have no idea how large it is, in comparison to the rest of the backpack. I just know that there was too much detail to be 1/48, and even 1/32.

    I don't think #14 is an IP from an R/C plane. This panel has more knobs, switches and buttons. An airplane's IP would be mostly dials and guages, just to get the feel of a real cockpit. Plus, those R/C cockpits are pretty bare, especially those from around the time the props from predator were being made. Most people would dress up their own cockpits, but those would be one-offs. Even today, fancy cockpit dressing is the realm of aftermarket stuff.

    It could be something more sci-fi-ish. Is there any cockpit detail in that falcon kit, they used?

    -Fred
     
  27. Mike J.

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Art,

    One of the found parts on the detonation gauntlet is from the Orguss Nikick model kit.

    Which raises the possibility that that was a donor for other costume parts as well.

    And south of part 4, there is something that looks like a kit part. I want to say it's a Macross Valkyrie 'foot.'


    -MJ
     
  28. Art Andrews

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    Ooohhh!! Good call! I'll bet if we can find what maker this one was specifically from it will help with the other one as well!
     
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    Based on previous scaling by a member at the Hunter's Lair, they believe the cylinder is about 1" which according to Williams Brothers models would make the cylinder 1/12th scale. Again, just a guess, but I think we are getting closer.

    Already looked at the Facoln to see if that was the IP... didn't look like it to me, but I think you are right... Not an airplane IP.

     
  30. Art Andrews

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    Checking both out now.

     
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    I haven't posted up pics of the actual cannon, but there are a TON of the Defender parts on the cannon!!! Thanks for pointing this one out. I am heavily leaning toward the 1/100 scale from Arii.
     
  32. Mike J.

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    Orguss Nikick image attached.

    This is the part here, circled in red. It's behind the knee area.

    I had this kit in high school. Don't recall the scale or mfr. Sorry.

    There are also some 1/35 jerrycans (in racks / holders / stowage equipment mounts / whatever) on the interior of the gauntlet.


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  33. Mike J.

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    #24 is a hip armor flap from a Votoms Scopedog (or Brutishdog, or similar model). No idea what scale or mfr, though. You would need a real good look at the kit parts to be sure. Sorry.


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  34. Art Andrews

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    Looks like Part #4 is also off the Brutishdog!!! We may not be nailing down the exact scale of mfgr yet, but I would have NEVER gotten these without your help!!!
     
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    Brutishdog foot. Not exact, but clearly this is what it is... just need to find the exact one.

    View attachment 92619

    Edit: Nevermind... here is the right piece.

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    Part #22 is also from the Brutishdog. It is a small detail piece in the back of the helmet. One of the little parts of it are broken off on the Predator backpack.

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  37. Slave1

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    Re: Predator Backpack Greeblies - 24 Parts Need to be IDed

    Here's a couple of pics I had already posted over at the Lair.



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    I started the thread over at the lair due ot a desire to update my backpack for my P1 display, currently in progress http://www.therpf.com/f9/lifesize-predator-display-wip-120662/

    I had actually planned on posting a thread over here to see if any of the model guys could help ID more pack parts, but Art beat me to it. Thanks, Art. This has moved things a long way in my accurizing my Pred display!
     
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    Oh, and 10 and 12 are obviously from some sort of jeep or car. If we determine what make, chances are some of the other parts will fall into place. Thanks everyone for all the help provided so far!
     
  39. Art Andrews

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    Been looking more and there is no question at all that the part below #4 (which I am now calling part #5 since I skipped 5) is indeed a foot from the Valkrie. The only question is the scale.

    I am thinking 1:72. I think I will pick one up and use it against the scopedog foot to determine the correct size.
     
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    I think they may be from either a big rig, or a military vehicle. But that's just based on the 8-lug configuration. Most civilian vehicles have between 4 and 6; 5 being the most common, 4 being on smaller cars, 6 being used on larger SUVs. I've seen plenty of models of howitzers and AA guns with 8-lug rims. Just nothing with the correct tread pattern, yet.


    Part #13 seems to be made up of 2 different parts. There's the outside, circular part, with the bolt detail and something that looks like a hose feeding into it. Could be some kind of cooling unit or gear box.

    The inside part looks like it may have been chopped in half, to fit inside the other part. The large cyclindrical shapes, on the outsides, look like they would be pivot points for something that raises and lowers, kind of like a missle rack on a SAM launcher. The two tubular shapes that sit on top, looks like one end is in a pivoting bracket, of their own - kind of like the lower mounting bracket for a strut or shock absorber. The little dome-shaped cross bettwen those two, reminds me of a military gas cap, that I've seen on some tank kits.

    -Fred
     
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    This is a VERY exciting thread! :thumbsup
     
  42. Art Andrews

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    I am already trying to pick some of these models up and once I have them, I will try to work with a pack builder (since I have no sculpting skills of my own) to incorporate them into a pack. I am hoping that as I pick up a model here or there we might find one or two more parts, but honestly, you guys have nailed so many so far, we really don't have that many left and those that are left are getting harder and harder to ID.

    What really kills my soul is that Prop Store was so gracious to let me photograph the pack and cannon but in comparing the cannon back to original shots, it is clear that a tremendous amount of the model parts on the cannon have broken off over the years, and there are virtually ZERO good photos of the cannon in its on-screen state that would help us ID more parts.

    So far I have the AT-ST and Bradley on order. Should have the Falcon ordered today and possibly the Bruitishdog. Working on the Valkyrie next, but not willing to spend very much on it because it is a total shot in the dark on the scale and I will probably have to buy one, compare its size to the size of the Bruitishdog's foot and then look for the correct scale.
     
  43. terryr

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    The middle of #13 looks like a boat winch [capstan?] Or maybe military.
     
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    Thinking #13 may be two parts, one laid on top the other. One possibility.

    Also, here's a pic of the real pack when it was in progress. Some of those models were tinted something other than white or off-white, so maybe that will help some:

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    Also judging by this pic, only the "V" looking portion under #4 seems to be a found part, and the plate piece it sits on just looks like part of the sculpt.
     
  45. Mike J.

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    Look at the Brutishdog foot! Right there, bright pink - you were dead-on, Art! :lol
     
  46. Slave1

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    Yes, I think the pic with the tinted pieces shows that, and you can see the white Falcon and AT-ST pieces, and black tire.

    And what about that light blue #5 part?
     
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    Just thinking out loud, but #14 the instrument panel, could it be that they used the cutaway model falcon and the ip is from the interior of that?
     
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    Near as I can tell, the cutaway version didn't come out until '96, and of course Predator came out in '87.
     
  49. Art Andrews

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    Slave1 already showed this, but I just got in my AT-ST model today and wanted to show that this is indeed the exact part.

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