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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Derrick,

Thanks for considering this for the non EU folks. Many people wouldn't even humor the question.

It looks like the required documentation to support not charging VAT for export outside the EU would be the Invoice and Shipping documentation. Hopefully the info below will help you or your tax office.

EU regulations.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2006/112/oj
TITLE IX - EXEMPTIONS
CHAPTER 6 - Exemptions on exportation
Article 146
1. Member States shall exempt the following transactions:
(a)the supply of goods dispatched or transported to a destination outside the Community by or on behalf of the vendor;
(b)the supply of goods dispatched or transported to a destination outside the Community by or on behalf of a customer not established within their respective territory, with the exception of goods transported by the customer himself for the equipping, fuelling and provisioning of pleasure boats and private aircraft or any other means of transport for private use;
(c)the supply of goods to approved bodies which export them out of the Community as part of their humanitarian, charitable or teaching activities outside the Community;
(d)the supply of services consisting in work on movable property acquired or imported for the purpose of undergoing such work within the Community, and dispatched or transported out of the Community by the supplier, by the customer if not established within their respective territory or on behalf of either of them;

Info on documentation

http://www.customs-law.expert/presentations/in_english/VAT_compliance_in_the_EU.pdf

12. Proof for VAT-exempt exports

If the goods have been exported under the electronic export procedure, the certification of exit provided by the customs office of export to the exporter or declarant (Art. 796e CCIP) serves as proof for the VAT exemption.

In his bookkeeping the exporter has to file the following (§13UStDV):
– the quantity and description of the goods (for vehicles also the ID-No.)
– the name and address of the purchaser
– the date of supply
– the price
– the date of export
– the movement reference number of the electronic declaration

Note: If the supply has been entered in the bookkeeping, missing details can be added and errors can be corrected during the appeal procedure (ECJ 27.9.2007, C-146/05, Collée, and BFH, 28.5.2009 VR 23/08)

For exports made by other means than through the electronic export system

If the goods are dispatched by an independent carrier, the following proof is required (§ 10 UStDV):


– either the waybill signed by the customer, the bill of lading or the postal receipt
– or other documents used for the carriage of goods, especially one made out by the forwarding agent, containing the following:
• the name and address of the person issuing the document
• the date at which the document was issued
• the name and address of the supplier and of the customer of the transport service
• the quantity and description of the goods (for vehicles also the ID-No.)
• the place and date of export or the place and date of the dispatch to a place outside the EU
• the recipient of the goods, and the place to which the goods are to be brought
• the assurance by the issuer of the document that the indications made in this document are based on business information which can be verified within the territory of the EU
• the signature of the person issuing the document

Reference to the automated system.

http://www.vatdesk.eu/vat-germany/8-content/81-germany-vat-new-tips

Export of goods – Documentation requirement - ATLAS

Companies must hold an electronic statement from “ATLAS” (Automated Tariff and Local Customs Clearance System) to prove the effective export of the goods outside the Community. The Electronic Export Certificate [Ausfuhrvermerk) is considered to be a sufficient proof of export, irrespective of whether the goods are transported or dispatched. Other documentation (e.g. airway bills, freight forwarder certificates, etc.) should however be accepted under exceptional circumstances.
 
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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

For everyone wanting my proprietary "Artisan Series" Pro-Finishing on your Saber, here is the information you need!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t50oucw6m58ybve/Finishing-Services-by-AFX-1.pdf?dl=0

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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

GeneralFROSTY
I'm definitely sending mine to AFX for painting service
I hope you retain or improve the rainbow quillon and exposed copper details from V1 run (they were so much better looking than PS's production sabers)
Overall, really looking forward for your V2 run :)
 
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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

@GeneralFROSTY
I'm definitely sending mine to AFX for painting service
I hope you retain or improve the rainbow quillon and exposed copper details from V1 run (they were so much better looking than PS's production sabers)
Overall, really looking forward for your V2 run :)
Several improvements planned.

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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Did I read correctly that this saber is going to come with parts already anodized?
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

The endcap will be anodized red to match the PS saber as close as possible.

The rest of the saber will be anodized clear to get a nice uniform finish. From what I've been told anodizing provides a great base for painting as the surface of the anodizing provides much more grip for paint vs the aluminium which is not very porous. This should mean no need to acid etch primer prior to painting it up.

Did I read correctly that this saber is going to come with parts already anodized?
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

I have to check with my tax office and see how it works from my end in reality. I'm willing to go an extra step to help those outside of the EU as long as it doesn't stick me down in the trenches for hours on end, then it doesn't become worth the time invested. Hopefully it's a simple matter of invoicing.

Derrek


Derrick,

Thanks for considering this for the non EU folks. Many people wouldn't even humor the question.

It looks like the required documentation to support not charging VAT for export outside the EU would be the Invoice and Shipping documentation. Hopefully the info below will help you or your tax office.

EU regulations.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2006/112/oj
TITLE IX - EXEMPTIONS
CHAPTER 6 - Exemptions on exportation
Article 146
1. Member States shall exempt the following transactions:
(a)the supply of goods dispatched or transported to a destination outside the Community by or on behalf of the vendor;
(b)the supply of goods dispatched or transported to a destination outside the Community by or on behalf of a customer not established within their respective territory, with the exception of goods transported by the customer himself for the equipping, fuelling and provisioning of pleasure boats and private aircraft or any other means of transport for private use;
(c)the supply of goods to approved bodies which export them out of the Community as part of their humanitarian, charitable or teaching activities outside the Community;
(d)the supply of services consisting in work on movable property acquired or imported for the purpose of undergoing such work within the Community, and dispatched or transported out of the Community by the supplier, by the customer if not established within their respective territory or on behalf of either of them;

Info on documentation

http://www.customs-law.expert/presentations/in_english/VAT_compliance_in_the_EU.pdf

12. Proof for VAT-exempt exports

If the goods have been exported under the electronic export procedure, the certification of exit provided by the customs office of export to the exporter or declarant (Art. 796e CCIP) serves as proof for the VAT exemption.

In his bookkeeping the exporter has to file the following (§13UStDV):
– the quantity and description of the goods (for vehicles also the ID-No.)
– the name and address of the purchaser
– the date of supply
– the price
– the date of export
– the movement reference number of the electronic declaration

Note: If the supply has been entered in the bookkeeping, missing details can be added and errors can be corrected during the appeal procedure (ECJ 27.9.2007, C-146/05, Collée, and BFH, 28.5.2009 VR 23/08)

For exports made by other means than through the electronic export system

If the goods are dispatched by an independent carrier, the following proof is required (§ 10 UStDV):


– either the waybill signed by the customer, the bill of lading or the postal receipt
– or other documents used for the carriage of goods, especially one made out by the forwarding agent, containing the following:
• the name and address of the person issuing the document
• the date at which the document was issued
• the name and address of the supplier and of the customer of the transport service
• the quantity and description of the goods (for vehicles also the ID-No.)
• the place and date of export or the place and date of the dispatch to a place outside the EU
• the recipient of the goods, and the place to which the goods are to be brought
• the assurance by the issuer of the document that the indications made in this document are based on business information which can be verified within the territory of the EU
• the signature of the person issuing the document

Reference to the automated system.

http://www.vatdesk.eu/vat-germany/8-content/81-germany-vat-new-tips

Export of goods – Documentation requirement - ATLAS

Companies must hold an electronic statement from “ATLAS” (Automated Tariff and Local Customs Clearance System) to prove the effective export of the goods outside the Community. The Electronic Export Certificate [Ausfuhrvermerk) is considered to be a sufficient proof of export, irrespective of whether the goods are transported or dispatched. Other documentation (e.g. airway bills, freight forwarder certificates, etc.) should however be accepted under exceptional circumstances.
 
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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

I am in for this second saber as well! I am going to try and wait for the VAT issues to be figured out first.

For my personal experience I order a lot of car parts from Europe for my BMW and I have never been charged VAT. Many of the sites just take it out of the final price when I order it as well and I don't even have to do anything as far as contacting them. So I think you should be able to figure it out for us. :D

Now what to do with my V1 lol.
 
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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

I'm not sure to have the VAT problems figured out prior to the list close, but will know what I will do before final payments are due.

So please don't wait for the further details otherwise you might miss the deadline.

If the VAT is a make or break thing for you then please don't signup. I consider it something I that will end up being a nice bonus for any people outside of the EU if I can get the requirements sorted with my tax folks.

I am in for this second saber as well! I am going to try and wait for the VAT issues to be figured out first.

For my personal experience I order a lot of car parts from Europe for my BMW and I have never been charged VAT. Many of the sites just take it out of the final price when I order it as well and I don't even have to do anything as far as contacting them. So I think you should be able to figure it out for us. :D

Now what to do with my V1 lol.
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Hey guys!
I know I'm not very active on the boards here (and I know I need to be haha)
However, I'm Dino from Sanotized Creations, the default painter of Phoenix Prop's Kylo Ren Saber CNC V2 Run.

https://www.facebook.com/SanotizedCreations/?ref=bookmarks

As stated in the google form, I will paint the sabers in high quality using professional high strength paints to get a scratch/damage resistant finish.
I did some sabers of the V1 Run, which can be seen in the Google Form as well.

Some detail shots:

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Of course techniques become better, so you can expect a V2 finish for the V2 saber. ;-)

If you want to check out the V1 saber painted by me in action, follow the link below. It's a stage performance by the German Team Saberproject. You will see how
duel worthy the saber is. Of course without any damage to the paint. ;-)

For those who want the all-round carefree package, I will ship the sabers to Markus from Saberproject Shop (who did the amazing saber install in the video too btw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDY3q2py9iQ

Since everything is made in Germany, you will save A LOT shipping and custom fees etc.

If you haven't signed up already, I highly recommend doing so. There won't be another chance to get a Kylo Ren saber replica that detailed in the near future! :)

Sign up here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...t00WJBmOzytJnQ/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=send_form
 
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Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Looks great! I'm looking forward to your work on the paint jobs. Now I just need to figure out where to source my blades.
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Are there any way to add pictures of the screen used hero, stunt and propshop lightsabers ot add references in this thread, of course, if it's not a probleme for Dday.
It can give ideas of how good this V2 will be?!
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Looks great! I'm looking forward to your work on the paint jobs. Now I just need to figure out where to source my blades.

Cheers man!
You can get blades from Saberproject Shop as well. You can change the flicker effect so that it looks unstable. I know also Ripper Blades, he offers the unstable blade but I havent had one in hand.
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Are there any way to add pictures of the screen used hero, stunt and propshop lightsabers ot add references in this thread, of course, if it's not a probleme for Dday.
It can give ideas of how good this V2 will be?!

if Derrek wants the prop shop photos they hosted on their site, i have them backed up and can supply them if needed
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

I'm not sure to have the VAT problems figured out prior to the list close, but will know what I will do before final payments are due.

So please don't wait for the further details otherwise you might miss the deadline.

If the VAT is a make or break thing for you then please don't signup. I consider it something I that will end up being a nice bonus for any people outside of the EU if I can get the requirements sorted with my tax folks.

It is definitely not make or break for me but you are right it would be really nice. I wasn't sure when this was closing up. I thought we had more time. If it is close to being over yes please sign me up for an unpainted saber! I definitely don't want to miss out. I'll fill out the form here real soon if that is the case.
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Does anyone know if the V2 saber would fit in one of the master replicas cases?
 
Re: Phoenix Props V2 CNC - Kylo Ren Crossguard

Hey guys!
I know I'm not very active on the boards here (and I know I need to be haha)
However, I'm Dino from Sanotized Creations, the default painter of Phoenix Prop's Kylo Ren Saber CNC V2 Run.

Wish I had the funds to join in on this run, I would absolutely be sending my saber to you Dino.

I can't say enough good things about Dino and his work. If you want a supremely accurate saber finish that won't scratch or chip send them to Dino!!
 
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