Phase II Enterprise

[Eric Ardros]

Just got myself a set of these today (had them printed out at a Staples Business Depot near where I live; boy, was I excited, lol):

Phase II Enterprise BP -- Page 1 of 3

Phase II Enterprise BP -- Page 2 of 3

Phase II Enterprise BP -- Page 3 of 3

Phase II Enterprise BP -- With Reference Pics

I sure was glad to get these in hand after work, as they'll come in quite handy for my project to modify an existing AMT/Ertl TMP Ent-A kit into the "Phase II" variant.

Oh, and guess what these TMP Enterprise components come from?

Phase II Enterprise BP -- 1:350 scale!!!

I've got a somewhat wrecked Polar Lights 1:350 Refit E lying around that can't really be put together as it's supposed to be, so now I actually have something to do with it; aside from making myself a 20" Phase II Enterprise, I can retool those messed up parts and do up a 3' one too, lol.

Anyway, just wanted to share this with anyone who might be interested.

Don't know when exactly I'll be able to get to this build (still gotta finish up my studio-scale Galileo Shuttlecraft, then studio-scale Federation Spacedock and "studio-scale" S:AAB ISSCV), but I think I've now got a good deal of decent reference material to go on when I do B)

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

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I am a bit disappointed, since I thought you meant the Ken Adam Phase II E

But still love those BP´s

Aaaaand... can´t wait to see that PII E finished!

 

[Shaw]

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I'm just happy to see someone print those out! Plans are meant for paper... and for building something, so I'm glad they are being put to good use. :thumbsup

 

[MooCriket]

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Looking forward to seeing your build!

 

[vaderman1701]

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I may have some 1/350 TOS E saucer sections available in the near future that could help with you build. Let me know.

Scott

 

[Eric Ardros]

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I am a bit disappointed, since I thought you meant the Ken Adam Phase II E

But still love those BP´s

Aaaaand... can´t wait to see that PII E finished!

Well, to each their own, lol. You prefer the Adams design, I prefer the Jefferies design. Thanks, though. I have to admit I'm excited to get her started.

I'm just happy to see someone print those out! Plans are meant for paper... and for building something, so I'm glad they are being put to good use. :thumbsup

The man speaks! Thanks for all the work you put into cleaning up the original. Like I said before, these will prove instrumental in my project. If it weren't for you, I wouldn't have such reference material to work from. So, thanks again.

Looking forward to seeing your build!

Thanks! Me too, lol.

I may have some 1/350 TOS E saucer sections available in the near future that could help with you build. Let me know.

Scott

Seriously? That'd be awesome. Let me know when that happens. Thanks

 

[falcondesigns]

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looking forword to this......

 

[GeorgeC]

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Phase II and ST:TMP E are definitely Jefferies' babies...

The only thing is that the ST:TMP Enterprise is basically an amalgam of the visions of very talented individuals. Stuff gets added to most film models by builders and detailers.

Who knows what would the final Phase II model would have looked like. There are some ambiguous areas in those plans. What got built for Planet Hollywood sure didn't look like the Phase II Enterprise that was in those prints or the partially completed model!

Going by the plans and paintings made, the PII should have been a lot closer in look to the TOS E than the STTMP E.

Kind of a shame, really. A slightly modified PII E would have made a much better-looking Enterprise for Star Trek (2009) than the abomination in that film. At least it would have looked like a Matt Jefferies' design!

 

[falcondesigns]

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You can bash the new Enterprise,it wont change the fact that it is the new Enterprise.

 

[Eric Ardros]

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Phase II and ST:TMP E are definitely Jefferies' babies...

The only thing is that the ST:TMP Enterprise is basically an amalgam of the visions of very talented individuals. Stuff gets added to most film models by builders and detailers.

[...]

Going by the plans and paintings made, the PII should have been a lot closer in look to the TOS E than the STTMP E.

Kind of a shame, really. A slightly modified PII E would have made a much better-looking Enterprise for Star Trek (2009) than the abomination in that film. At least it would have looked like a Matt Jefferies' design!

I'd definitely agree that if the Phase II Enterprise had remained intact, it would more closely resemble the TOS version than the TMP version. For TV, not as much surface detailing was necessary. A lot of surface detail was added after-the-fact as it went from being a TV filming model to a feature film model.

Though I have to admit the idea of a modified Phase II Enterprise having been what they used for the latest film would've been appealing to me, at the same I understand the studio's need to redesign it (as well as the interior sets and props) as they did in order to appeal the new generation of sci-fi movie-goers.

Falling back to something like the Phase II design is something those of us older Trekkies could appreciate, but not the younger generation nowadays. It had to have more of a "hot rod", "pimped-out ride" esthetic as that's what younger people can recognize and relate to. It's a simple manner of modern-day demographics, really.

But enough of that. Not trying to get into a great debate over the design aspects of the new film or anything. Just trying to explain the other side of the coin, is all.

You can bash the new Enterprise,it wont change the fact that it is the new Enterprise.

You're quite correct, but to each their own, imho. Some people like the new design, and some don't. Personally, I don't mind the new Enterprise design, but to be honest am more inclined toward the previous ones.

 

[Eric Ardros]

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I can't believe my good luck. I just managed to get myself a full AMT/Ertl Cut-Away Enterprise kit to help complete the 1/547 scale Phase II build I plan on doing:

Star Trek AMT ERTL Enterprise Model Kit Cut-Away 1701

It's unbelievable I was able to get it for only $5.00 USD (plus shipping, of course). All the other ones I've seen on eBay sell for at least $50.00, if not more. That takes care of the saucer I needed for it, lol.

Now I just have to get myself another set of nacelles/pylons from a smoothie Enterprise kit (posted a want ad over at starshipmodeler.com), then I can really get that one started

 

[GeorgeC]

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You can bash the new Enterprise,it wont change the fact that it is the new Enterprise.

falcon,

It's an awful design. The people who crafted that ship were NOT Star Trek fans (or even good designers judging by what I've seen of their work) but hired guns who happened to work on earlier TV shows and the last few movies with the TNG cast.

The Abrams-prise is not balanced well and the proportions are really off. That's true of most of the designs including and after the Enterprise-D. At least Andrew Probert qualifies his design and explains why his design is the way it is. I haven't read much from the ILM guys and actual designers for why their version of the ship turned out hideously, IMHO. It looks like committee design instead of close collaboration. A POV that is shared by many people familiar with Star Trek.

If the point was to make a prequel it really didn't respect any of the work by Matt Jefferies. There may be vague references to the older work but it sure seems to reference overblown car designs more than classic miniature work... I've heard of T I T s machines but this one takes the cake with forward-end nacelle caps that actually look like boobs. Sorta like Nell from Battle Beyond The Stars.

This is the last time I'll mention this. I just wanted to qualify why I think the way I do. I know it's not going to change your mind. If you're okay with mediocre design, so be it...

 

[Howard]

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I'm really looking forward to seeing this project unfold further!

I agree with George, I must say. It's just one version I wouldn't want taking up valuable display space. JJ's E represents the film as a whole for me - unbalanced, ugly from most points of view - a kinda distorted bobble head E.

 

[JMChladek]

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I've got the elements of an AMT Movie E based Phase 2 kitbash in my stash somewhere. I may get back to it as I got somewhat far along with at least doing a decent set of warp nacelles for it. Those early paintings of the P2E are some of my favorite as I always liked the look of the red starfleet symbols on the secondary hull and the large NCC numbers below. If the ship had been done up completely in model form, she would have looked good IMHO.

 

[Eric Ardros]

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I definitely agree that if the Phase II Enterprise had been completed and left in that form, she would've looked damn good.

Unfortunately, as that is not the case, we just have to do our best in our own builds to represent the design in terms of what she could've looked like.

Got some good news today. Just hammered out the details of a straight-up trade with someone for a set of TMP nacelles/pylons, so those should be coming my way soon enough.

I think it's safe to say now that I'll have everything I need in order to complete my 1/537 scale build.

Still working on what to do for some of the parts for my proposed 1/350 scale build, so I don't know yet how far off that one may be.

EDIT: Like you JM, I did do a little bit of work on this, back when I first got my smoothie Enterprise kit about five years ago. I quickly drew up some rough blueprints in scale with the kit, then went from there:

AMT/Ertl Phase II Conversion -- Pic 01
AMT/Ertl Phase II Conversion -- Pic 02
AMT/Ertl Phase II Conversion -- Pic 03
AMT/Ertl Phase II Conversion -- Pic 04

As you can see, I'd decided to start work on the nacelles first, including the support struts. Only problem is, I had to stop work on it because I made a mistake in crazy-gluing the nacelle halves together, and when it came time to add styrene to the forward section (as shown in Pics 02 & 03) I realized I didn't have the room to get in there and fit everything properly.

 

[Eric Ardros]

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Some more good news. Managed to find myself a used copy of "Star Trek Phase II: The Lost Series" here locally, and for a good price, too.

I've already flipped through it to see what pics they have of the eight-foot filming model, and although they're the same as some of the ones I previously found online, I find the pics in the book to be clearer and more crisp, so better detail shows up.

Along with all the other reference material (ie. Jefferies/Shaw blueprints, WiP studio pics) I've collected thus far, it should be sufficient to do my build(s) justice

 

[crackerjazz]

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Hey - nice score! Any chance you've got a high-res scanner handy?

>>Some more good news. Managed to find myself a used copy of "Star Trek Phase II: The Lost Series" here locally, and for a good price, too.

I've already flipped through it to see what pics they have of the eight-foot filming model, and although they're the same as some of the ones I previously found online, I find the pics in the book to be clearer and more crisp, so better detail shows up.<<

 

[Eric Ardros]

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I wish I did, but my Lexmark All-in-One is kinda on the fritz at the moment. So, no way to scan in those pics.

 

[falcondesigns]

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@ George....It's not that I'm ok with it,there is nothing to be done about it.I love the Phase II,so lets stick to that discussion.

 

[Eric Ardros]

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Alright, a bit of an update on the parts front.

I bought a Cut-Away Enterprise kit on eBay recently (only cost me $5.00 USD plus shipping), which arrived yesterday --> Additional Parts -- Pic 01

Looked through the parts, and everything seems to be there (not that I need everything, lol) --> Additional Parts -- Pic 02

The main parts I'll need for the 1/537 build will be the saucer, bridge dome and impulse drive --> Additional Parts -- Pic 03

Aside from those, I've decided to cut off the neck/dorsal section and use both that and the deflector array from the Cut-Away Enterprise, as I think they'll be a good match to the Phase II design.

Of course, I'll have to make some alterations to the neck, such as adding the photorp launcher and putty over the existing windows then add a very thin styrene skin to redo the window configuration, but having the base already will help save me a ton of work.

Having the extra parts not needed for this build has kind of helped me in obtaining the other pieces needed (ie. TMP nacelles/pylons). I'm trading the nacelles/pylons included in the Cut-Away Enterprise kit in exchange for the TMP ones, lol.

We're both sending off the agreed-upon parts next week, so hopefully I'll have the rest of what I need to do this build very soon

EDIT: After taking another look at the parts, I realized I'll have to do some further revisions to the existing parts, such as correcting the contours of the B/C deck (too triangular leading toward the rear) and altering/adding some details to the impulse drive.