Pegasus getting Terminator license

Discussion in 'General Modeling' started by CessnaDriver, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. CessnaDriver

    CessnaDriver Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Read on a modeling forum...

    Aerial HK
    HK Tank
    Endos

    Wooohooo!
     
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  2. robn1

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    Cool! I guess Pegasus must be doing OK with their various Sci-Fi licenses, which is good news :thumbsup
     
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  3. JMChladek

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    They announced at iHobby. BTW, the Terminator kits will be 1/35 scale, making them perfect for armor dioramas. And, human rebels can be converted from 1/35 figures easily enough.
     
  4. Wes R

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    It'd be nice to see someone making the HKs. Probably pricey but from what I've seen of their stuff it's worth it.
     
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  5. Nwerke

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    Awesome. That goes straight on the must-buy list. Will make up for the 'needs work' flying HK vinyl kit, and the heartbreaking vinyl Argonauts HK Tank. (Mine was anyway...warped to hell and back and the metal tread parts were a different width to the vinyl ones. Oh to be young and naive and never to have heard the term 'recast', again...)
     
  6. ONEYE

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    Always great to have more Terminator collectibles come out!
     
  7. Too Much Garlic

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    Can't wait.
     
  8. ONEYE

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    Wait, 1:35? Isn't that tiny?

    Did research...

    A 6-Foot man would be modeled as 2 inches. [ (6 X 12 ) / 35) ]
    A 1/35 scale model of a typical 1960's car would be roughly 7 Inches long.

    That sucks! Too small for details, building, painting a colossal pain in the butt! Not for me! Minimum I could stand would be 1:18 scale.
     
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  9. JMChladek

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    Too small for details? Have you SEEN what some armor and diorama modelers have been able to pull off with stuff in this scale? The techniques are actually not hard to use at all. Mastering good wash and drybrush techniques can pay extremely big dividends in this scale.

    They chose 1/35 because it is probably the most popular and common armor diorama scale. There are numerous figure sets out there for everything from soldiers and irregulars and civilians, to weapon accessories, military vehicles (tanks, helicopters, even a small number of planes) and demolished buildings. Plus, in this size if one wants civilian cars or trucks, 1/32 snap vehicles are close enough in size to be adapted without looking out of place. Plus, in this scale, parts can be used with more traditional armor models to make other SF tank based creations such as Bolos or Ogres.
     
  10. ONEYE

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    No sir, don't like this scale. I couldn't work on the stuff, and if it was sent out for building/painting, it would probably not survive the return trip.
     
  11. Robiwon

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    The original Horizon Hunter Killer was also 1/35 scale. Plus it's been revealed that each kit will come with five T800 Endo's!
     
  12. ONEYE

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    Well, that's not too bad for an Aerial HK, but who wants five 2" tall T-800s? That's freakin' thumb sized!
     
  13. Robiwon

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    I do, and probably quite a few others who have been begging for a decent model of this. I used to do 1/35 military and still do I/48 aircraft. Detail is not that difficult in this scale.

    Here are two pics of a 1/48 A-10 Warthog I did last year. It's a forced perspective scene, flying high over a convoy of vehicles on the desert floor. The vehicles are all scrtched and all five will fit on my pinky fingernail. Working in small scale is possible, with effort.
     
  14. Too Much Garlic

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    It's bigger than 1/72 scale, which is the scale FineMolds did some of their Star Wars offerings in. Two reasons for smaller scale is.

    1: size (not everyone can find room for a LARGE HT Tank and Flyer. And seeing how large they actually are in the movies... even in 35th scale they'll be reasonably sized. The old Argonauts tank kit was also 35th scale and the choice of this scale blends into already established armor modeling scales. We can't all have sixth scale stuff.

    2: cost (not everyone can afford the large scale stuff, so this is an option for them + it is in an already established military model kit scale.

    And you'll be surprised how sturdy these things are. You can bet they are as sturdy as resin kits, but will weigh a heck of a lot less... and won't warp as vinyl kits do. So unless whoever you send it to for painting is a complete putzh who has no clue what he's doing... you should have no worries regarding it breaking.
     
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  15. TazMan2000

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    Anything new on Terminator is welcome, however I do agree that 1/35 is rather small. Mind you I don't have a problem with space, but I know that some of you do and you would also like to keep a consistent scale.
    I just need something that stands out. A 1/35 HK will fade into the rest of my showcase but a larger 1/18 or 1/16 scale will stand out in it's gleaming polished silver coating.

    Perhaps Pegasus will release something in a larger scale at a later date...after all, they do have a license.

    TazMan2000
     
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  16. TheRealMcFly

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    Sure, I'd rather have 1/24 stuff to go with my movie car kits but sticking with the same scale as most armor kits probably got this stuff made, so to speak. Maybe it was part of the license.

    Plus think of all the diorama possibilities. Finally a not vinyl HK.

    These are going to be styrene right?
     
  17. Robiwon

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    Pegasus usually uses ABS instead of the typical polystyrene of the mainstream model companies.
     
  18. CessnaDriver

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    Pegasus also offers the same kits pre-build and painted or even chromed as we have seen with the martian war machine.
    So I think they like to offer scales that fit built into the
    clear front packaging and chromed up HKs would sell well.
     
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  19. ONEYE

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    Is one better than the other?
     
  20. JMChladek

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    ABS is typically what Lego bricks are made of (styrene is a component of ABS plastic). It is a sturdier plastic. The minor drawback is hotter solvent glues are needed to assemble them. But, in the end they are very sturdy.
     
  21. ONEYE

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    Thanks JMChladek! :thumbsup
     
  22. Nwerke

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    LOL. It's the BIG military scale. Your other options are 1/72, 1/76 and 1/87. I have no idea why the last two even exist, but they do.

    (OK, OK, there used to be some 1/25, 1/24, 1/16 and 1/15 scale armour too. And there's been more 1/16 stuff lately, and 1/9 and 1/6. But those are 'exception' sorts of kits. If you want a Churchill in 1/72 or 1/35, you can go straight out and buy any one of several versions. Want one in 1/16? Too bad, you can't just assume there is one out there.)

    Mate! Calm down!! :) You know the aerial HK will be about 18" long in this scale, right? And even the ground HK will occupy about a cubic foot.
     
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  23. Robiwon

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    Right, regular model tube glue wont work. You would need to use one of the liquid cements like Ambroid, Tamiya, or Testors liquid. Super glue would work also.
     
  24. JMChladek

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    As I understand it, 1/76 and 1/87 grew out of respective train scales for the US and the UK. Sometimes they are referred to as HO or OO scale (HO being "half O"). The train track widths are the same, but for OO, the Brits scaled things a little differently and it came to 1/76 (I can't recall if UK and Europe railways are narrower than typical US based railways). Since I believe US railways are a little wider, scale the rest of the locomotive to fit a same dimension piece of track and you get a smaller number (1/87).

    Of course, how it applies to military stuff, Roco Minitanks in Austria for many years was making a set of pre-built armor from WW2 up to modern day and they did everything from towed artillery pieces and jeeps on up to main battle tanks (they even did some airplanes and helicopters). Airfix in the UK seemed to be the originator of 1/76 as they did many of their tank models and figure sets in that size. Although you look at them, they don't really look all that different from 1/72. So ultimately, things got re-labeled to the 1/72 size (such as in the US when MPC was importing some of the Airfix armor and re-labeling it to conform with the more popular 1/72 aircraft scale). Stick 1/72 and 1/76 armor together and you can't really tell any difference (kind of like sticking 1/24 and 1/25 scale car models together). Even Airfix themselves started mixing stuff together in thier diorama models as you might have an RAF base diorama with a tower, two refuelling trucks, figures and a Spitfire (and all are labeled 1/72). But, I have seen exactly the same trucks labeled as 1/76 when by themselves (same with the tower).
     
  25. The BDK

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    That is how it was explained to me when I was working in a hobby shop too, so I'm thinking you are correct sir.

    Pegasus is doing what I'd do if I were in the model business and had the license to something like Terminator. Make them to a common scale, not some odd ball large size. Why? Resale ability. Make them in the common armor scale, they'll sell more. Folks will be making dioramas and instead of say 1 HK in 1:18, they'll buy 2-3 smaller ones. Same with the Endos, not as detailed but you can sell armies of them.
     
  26. Robiwon

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    I can imagine doing a great diorama of the popular battle scene seen in the first and second T movies. Lots of Endos, modified army guys, destroyed vehicles and buildings, etc. I can't wait to pick up a couple of each of these. Two tanks and two aerials will net me 20 Endo's, perfect for a diorama. Since the war was not too far into the future modern military stuff will work just fine. You wont need a lot of "space age" looking vehicles or figures. Weapons on the military figures will need small mods though.
     
  27. pennausamike

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    This also means you could use 1/32nd scale aircraft (in-flight or crashed)
    in a Terminator battle scene.
    Use of the standard armor scale is a solid decision from both an artistic sense,
    (builders can combine lots of other kits and figures in dioramas and the HK tanks will look cool displayed with real-world armor for those who collect vehicles but don't build dioramas)
    and from a business sense,
    (the market size increased by the number of standard scale builders, a lower price point, hopefully, than a giant scale kit, and the possibility of multiple sales per customer rather than one-and-done).

    Interested, depending on price

    Mike
     
  28. ONEYE

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    I suck. :(
     
  29. Robiwon

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    No you don't. You just have to embrace different scales and accept that not everything has to be 2 feet long. :)
     
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  30. Too Much Garlic

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    And you'd be amazed just how detailed sculpts can actually be in 1:35 scale with the type of sculptors working in these scales today. I've shat my pants regularly, when seeing the quality and detail-work on some of those thumb-size sculpts - stuff you expect in larger scale sculpts and not those small ones - and if Pegasus is smart, they'll hire that kind of sculptors and hit this right out of the ball-park of pure awesomeness.
     
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  31. gizmo

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    This sounds really cool! I think I may go the diorama route too if I can afford it. I hope they do offer them chromed as painting them just doesn't fit the terminator universe to me. Mind you some of that chrome paint around nowadays does look nice.


    Ben
     
  32. Too Much Garlic

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    Well, seeing as the WotW glider came brass chromed, as an option they clearly got that down, so would expect them to extend it to this line too. It would only make sense.
     
  33. Robiwon

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    More than likely, based on their recent offerings, the kit will come first in white ABS. A few months later they will probably offer a pre-built and chromed version. They did this with their WOtW War Machine and then with their (painted) Galaxy Quest kits. I'm sure we will get chromed, but probably not at first. Plus, so far, all of their scifi kits have been home runs. I suspect the Terminator kits will be just as stunning.
     
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  35. OzDean

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    Last two are used for model trains - HO and OO scales.

    What's the pricing on this stuff going to be like? Can't wait!
     
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  36. Hobo Wan Kenobi

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    I hope ther either scale up the dragon or scale down Galen. It's just looks way to far off to me
     
  37. Too Much Garlic

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    Coming to think of it... 1:35 is really going to be big for these Hunter Killers. Would be cool if they did them in 1:72 scale as well, as I have limited room and it would match my other sci-fi and military vehicle collection, as that's also all in 1:72 scale. Think about it... the flying hunter killer next to the X-Wing and TIE fighters and WW2 planes... all win.
     
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  38. ZOMBIEREPELLENT

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    I'm interested in an HK but I wish they'd do a nice, large scale endo. Like 18" tall or something.
     
  39. dropshipbob

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    NECA produced an 18" endoskeleton a few years ago, but it's more toy like...you may want something more accurate.
     
  40. Too Much Garlic

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    The Neca endoskeleton is a refined and simplified version of the old ArgoNauts model kit, which, if I remember correctly, was direct or linked to the T2 Stan Winston filming miniature endos. Some have even begun to use the Neca parts to fix some issues with the vinyl kit. Aoshima even re-issued the vinyl endo, but I'm not certain how many were actually made, before they switched to their die-cast 12" endos - I also think they simplified some parts like hands and feet - similar to what we see on the Neca.

    You could be lucky however to come across one of the very few resin ArgoNauts kits... but don't hold your breath for that one.
     
  41. ZOMBIEREPELLENT

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    I was never really actively searching for one. I was just hoping for a nic accurate kit and not a toy. Pipe dreams.
     
  42. Too Much Garlic

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    Well, if you want an accurate kit, search eBay for ArgoNauts endo kits - they pop up occasionally. With the Hot Toys 12" figures their prices plummeted, so you may score one for a lot less than the Hot Toys currently go for.

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    Though, you CAN get the Neca to look really good:
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    (don't remember where I found this picture, so if the owner wants it removed, please contact me)
     
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  43. mktodd

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    Has anyone heard of any updates on this? It's been nearly a year since I first heard of these kits and it's been quiet for some time..

    Cheers
     
  44. OzDean

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    It would be good to find out what's going on...
     
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  47. Malphas

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    Let us know what they say. I was just thinking about a Future War dio and this would be a lot better then tracking down a bunch of Neca figs.
     
  48. JMChladek

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    I've found with Pegasus they tend to keep things under wraps, so stuff tends to pop in seemingly under the radar. But their stuff EVENTUALLY does come out. For instance, I checked out my LHS last week and they've had the Dragonslayer dragon model kit for a couple weeks now.

    Patience, "Judgement Day", the machine revolt and rise of the Terminators will be on us sooner than we expect. ;)

    I chatted with one of the Pegasus guys at Wonderfest and they said the only sticking point they were running into with the HKs was how big they should be in 1/35, since not all of their reference material was quite lining up. I imagine if they got that situation resolved, they should be moving along rather nicely. But it will still likely be a little while.
     
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  50. Too Much Garlic

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    Yeah, they are gonna be quite large. Really hope they'll consider doing them in 1/72 scale as well.
     

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