P. Hollywood - Rebel Blaster INFO - Archive Please!

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  1. obi1kenny

    obi1kenny Well-Known Member

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    Headed to Reno for the weekend.

    Someone said there is a Rebel Blaster in the Planet Hollywood there. Is that correct? Is it in Reno and is it an Empire or Jedi version?
     
  2. TK626

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    That was me. It is a resin one, and while I forget which film people said it was from, I know it wasn't the one you were working on. I think it was Lonepigeon and TK818 who knew exactly which movie it was from.

    Also, it was in South Lake Tahoe, not Reno. Unless there's two?

    Nick
     
  3. PHArchivist

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    South Lake had the Rebel Blaster, Reno had the Stormtrooper blaster.

    Typical to PH, they had the plaques/labels backwards! They had the Rebel blaster labeled as the trooper gun, and vice versa.

    This was 2-4 years ago.

    Last year, PH in Orlando had a Rebel blaster on display...
     
  4. obi1kenny

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    Ah, thanks so much for the info!

    Well, does anyone know anything else good to check out at the PH in Reno?
     
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    Again... From about 4 years ago...

    Life ring from ship in opening of IJLC
    Aliens stasis tube
    Aliens grenades
    Animatronic calf from City Clickers
    Friday the 13th stuff
    Cylon pistol
    Flintstones props
    Microbe from STIII (maybe STII)
    Suit of armor worn by DProwse in Jabberwocky
    Trooper blaster
    Gaffi stick (incomplete)
    Miniature Bond figure from Moonraker
    Hovitos paraphenalia from Raiders
    Akula class sub model from Hunt for Red October
    Wrist comm from STI: TMP
    Stuff from GB2
    T-1000 Bullet hit from T2
     
  7. obi1kenny

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    HOLY CRAP!!! [​IMG]

    Do you know what that is?
    ItÂ’s a pic of the ANH resin gun. And even better itÂ’s a pic of the magazine side! I have been looking for more info on that side of the gun forever as have a lot of other people.

    Please tell me you have more pics and closeup pics!

    Where is this gun?
     
  8. PHArchivist

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    Do you know what that is?
    ItÂ’s a pic of the ANH resin gun. And even better itÂ’s a pic of the magazine side! I have been looking for more info on that side of the gun forever as have a lot of other people.

    Please tell me you have more pics and closeup pics!

    Where is this gun?

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    I have more pics. Not much closer though. Was high on the wall...

    "Patience, young Jedi, and you shall be rewarded..."
     
  9. PHArchivist

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    Oh, and it is (Was? Not sure its still there...) at the South Lake Tahoe PH. About an hour from the Reno store.
     
  10. TK626

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    How can you tell its the ANH? I'm not as familiar with the rebel blasters. That looks (to me) like the one that is still in South Lake, with the fat trigger guard and I believe it is facing the same direction. It is still mislabeled as a storm trooper blaster, although the display case is different from the one that PH posted. The case I saw had a B&W still of some Death Star troopers. It made the misidentification funnier, since you have a clear photo of an E-11, which of course looked quite different from the Planet Hollywood "Stormtrooper Blaster" right in front of it.

    Thanks for the info about the E-11 in Reno, I'll have to go check that out sometime.

    Nick
     
  11. TK626

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    As of last winter, it was still there, but it was at eye level, right behind a table. I'm still kicking myself for not bringing my camera. There were several other sci-fi guns (non-SW), but most of those were higher up and hard to see. If you don't make it there on this trip, I'll try to get some more pictures for you when I'm up there this winter. If you go to the Reno one, could you take a picture of the Cylon gun for me? I'm curious to see what that looks like.

    Nick
     
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    Cylon Pistol (as stated by the geniuses at planet Hollywood)

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  14. obi1kenny

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    PHArchivist - You are my new hero! Thank you so much (Thankyaverymuch)!

    TK626 – Yes, looks to be what most consider the ANH resin gun, used by both the Rebel Fleet troopers and the Death Star troopers. I don’t know if Chris has updated the POSW site yet, but he had plans on listing pic of each of the variations of this gun from each movie. I know you can see a good pic of the ESB version on POSW site.

    And I am going to try and get over the PH in Reno and take a bunch of pics, I will look for the Cylon gun.

    Humm, now I am thinking of taking a trip over the SL Tahoe too.
     
  15. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    How can you tell its the ANH? I'm not as familiar with the rebel blasters.
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    I'm not an expert either, but from what I know, I *think* the ESB has a lot more greeblies on it.
     
  16. TomSpinaDesigns

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    I don't get it Rob....

    why DO they call you PHarchivist? [​IMG]

    nice shots as always bud.

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  17. Treadwell

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    Hey is that a Merr-Sonn greeblie on the side of the reciever under the scope?
     
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    I don't get it Rob....

    why DO they call you PHarchivist? [​IMG]

    nice shots as always bud.

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    Nice to come in handy on occasion!
     
  19. starbuc

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    Hate to break it to you, but the last time I was in Reno two months ago, the Reno Planet Hollywood was no more.
    It has been replaced by some new restaurant..
    Don't know if the one in Lake Tahoe is still there.

    Terry
     
  20. PHArchivist

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    Doesn't surprise me...

    Call or go to the PH site before making travel plans to any PH!
     
  21. TK626

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    Thanks for all the pics, PHArchivist. Kenny, never mind about the cylon pistol pictures. I had no idea what it looked like, was expecting something more interesting. I thought it might be neat to try to add a BG piece to my blaster collection, but I don't think that will be it. [​IMG]

    Nick
     
  22. TK818

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    If that's not a fan piece it's from ANH.
    It looks correct to me though!

    WOW!!

    If anyone can find this and get more shots PLEASE post them!!!!
     
  23. obi1kenny

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    I don't get it Rob....

    why DO they call you PHarchivist? [​IMG]

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    Yeah, I finaly got that. [​IMG]
     
  24. obi1kenny

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    If that's not a fan piece it's from ANH.
    It looks correct to me though!

    WOW!!

    If anyone can find this and get more shots PLEASE post them!!!!
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    Good to see you on this thread Richard, I knew you would like these pics too.

    But, it looks like the cut down mag is broken off of this one. Well, if there is such a thing as a cut down mag. What do you think? Also, no wiper blade detail on the scope rail but nice pics of 2 greeblies on this side.
     
  25. obi1kenny

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    From what I see with the mirrored backing, the backside looks identical (from the same mold) as this gun, which is rumored to be a real screen used blaster.

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  26. TK818

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    Slight diferances though.

    The PH blaster has the caps on the scope adjustment knobs and the correct scope rings.

    There are some round greeblies on the base of the rings that aren't in the ANH caps I've seen.

    Also, it's missing this wierd greeblie in front of the scope:

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    I'm not seeing any of the brass detail at the back and the scope is either a casting or they painted over the front cone.
    It's the correct style of scope though.

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    I think these two blasters are from the same mold and the scopes were added later.
    The PA blaster got it right but added the round greeblies to the scope rings or perhaps it's another type of ring.
     
  27. TK818

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    Here is what I think is going on with the clip housing...

    My theory all along is that in ANH they took a Sterling casting, chopped it up and made The DH17.

    They then took a mold and cast the blasters adding greblies and Single Point scopes.

    For my blaster I cast the clip housing and chopped it down.
    When you do that it looks like this:

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    Now, if you cut a section out from the leading edge of the clip and add a greeblie behind the clip housing you get what we see in the PA
    blaster:

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    From the PA blaster it looks like they cut away all of the clip except for the back release box.
    I left a slight lip when I cut my clip down.
     
  28. TK818

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    "How can you tell its the ANH?"

    ANH:
    The base gun is the E-11 (Sterling L2A3).
    The DH-17's in ANH use real Single Point scopes and football shaped scope rings.

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    ESB:
    The ESB DH-17 also uses the E-11 as the base gun.
    The Single Point scopes were solid resin castings.
    A long rod was used for the scope rail.
    The clip and clip receiver were left intact but like on the E-11 the clip was cut down.
    The silver barrel was shortened a bit and a small tube was added to the front cone.
    Various grieblies were added including the Revel piston halves (as seen on Han and Luke's Mausers) and V8 engine kit parts.

    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]


    ROTJ:
    The ROTJ DH-17 uses the Sterling MGC as the base gun with greeblies added.
    The scope is a casting of the Single Point.
    Like the ESB blaster they left the clip housing intact and used a shortened clip like on the E-11.
    The scope rings are the round Weaver type rings.

    [​IMG]

    For more check my DH17 thread on ASAP:

    http://pub23.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm3.showMessage?topicID=233.topic
     
  29. obi1kenny

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    From this angle it looks to be a bit different from what your theory is.

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    IÂ’m starting to come up with a different theory that the mag-weld is completely gone and that there is just a rectangular block/greeblie behind the cut out where the mag-weld is.

    In the pic above (the PH blaster) this is broken off, except for a small part.

    If you look close at the pic bellow and match it up with the one above they look very similar in the mag-weld area in that there doesnÂ’t look to be like much of the raise mag section left at all, except for the U shape rectangular block behind it. But just a theory and MO.

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  30. TK818

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    Sure, the entire thing could be an unidentified greeblie but see if this makes what I'm seeing more clear:

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    It does look like that detail is on the ANH blasters.

    " there doesnÂ’t look to be like much of the raise mag section left at
    all, except for the U shape rectangular block behind it. "

    Yes, I saw that.
    (See my previous post)

    I can't wait to see better pics so we can be sure!
     
  31. lonepigeon

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    I feel like I came in late to the party!
    Cool thread I had no idea an ANH DH-17 was out there. There is an ESB at another Planet Hollywood that I'm using pics of for the ESB DH-17 page.

    The ANH DH-17 in the photos with the white background had it's scope and rings replaced. They're not original parts and that's why they don't match.

    I'm still trying to figure out the exact evolution of the prop from ANH to ESB. I believe they are cast from the same primary gun, but the ESB is a new cleaner mold- however that doesn't explain the magazine (ANH -missing, ESB- attached). I'm still not convinced it's cut up Sterling. There's no visible cut marks and no evidence of the extra holes filled in. I still think it might be a prototype Sterling variation like the parapistol. The similarities seem too coincidental even though the parapistol came out years after ANH. The nice clean line in front of the front site and the notch or hole in the black section before the silver barrel are present on the ANH and ESB and lead me to believe they're cast from the same gun. My best guess is that perhaps this gun was first made for another movie- meant to look like the BSA prototype. Then they dressed it up a bit for ANH and made castings. It has the professional manufactured look of the ANH DL-44 which we know was made for another movie- it doesn't have the low budget look of many of the other guns. I mean the original gun, not the castings which do look low budget.

    "Hey is that a Merr-Sonn greeblie on the side of the reciever under the scope? "
    Jay you beat me to it! I saw that too, the rectangular block looks like the same greebly as on the Merr Sonn.

    The magazine side is consistant with the other low quality pics I've been able to find. I also agree the mag well is completely gone- not sure what that piece behind it is.

    Most of the ESB scope rail is a cylinder, but the part under the rear scope ring and behind is still the same ANH block type scope rail

    PoSW update is in the works- but it's bigger than I had originally planned. I've started with the Item pages, but the Lightsabers and the rest of the categories will be updated first, Ranged Weapons will come after.

    BTW- Obi1kenny- I just saw your dancing trooper photos in the latest Insider. A nice little sidebar in the letters column, congrats!
     
  32. TK818

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    The BSA does SORT of look like the DH-17.
    The clip housing is removable which is an interesting coincidence but the hand grip, back end, rear site and filled in front site match the Sterling
    perfectly.

    I think you're right that they tried to make something that looked like the BSA but that they cut up a Sterling prop to do it (IMHO).

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    ...I had no idea an ANH DH-17 was out there.

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  34. TK818

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    "All you had to do was ask! "

    LOL, you need to ask AND have the right people see the post!
    I've been begging for DH-17 pics for over a year!
     
  35. lonepigeon

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    Yeah, that's what I mean. I was thinking maybe Bapty needed a BSA for another movie and professionally modifed a Sterling to look like one (since the BSA's are so rare). Then they added a few greeblies to it for ANH.

    I just took a look at the parapistol again. I was thinking the rear of it was shorter- it's not. The length of the front is still quite similar, but perhaps that is due to the mechanics of the gun. If the theorectical gun from another movie was functional it would've likely had to have been cut off at this point to retain crucial interior parts.

    BTW- Is that a BSA looking fold-down stock in the hands of a Hoth trooper?
     
  36. TK818

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    "Is that a BSA looking fold-down stock in the hands of a Hoth trooper?"

    No, that's abother blaster barrel in the foreground.

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  37. obi1kenny

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    I like these ideas. The main body tube does look to be a lot different then a Sterling the Mag-well and the shell ejection port on the other side are shaped different than the Sterling receiver. I'd like to see a cleaner pic of that BSA gun with the clip folded down to see what the mag cut-out looks like.


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    That's what I thought I saw too earlier, but then I thought maybe it was just the guys jacket collar or something, but it sure does look like a folding stock.

    EDIT: Ah, I see now, thanks TK818.



    BTW Chris - Very Cool! So when does that new Inside come out?
     
  38. TK818

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    "the Mag-well and the shell ejection port on the other side are shaped different than the Sterling "

    I think the ejection port looks different because of where they cut the Sterling.

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    Now, someone show us more unknownDH-17 pics and prove me wrong : D
     
  39. lonepigeon

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    The BSA's are super rare, never put into production so I don't think the DH-17 was one just made to look like one. From what I can tell only 9 BSA's ever existed (hence the need for a look-a-like if they needed one for a movie.)

    I just got my contributor copy of the latest Insider today. You mean I actually got it before everyone else? That's a change [​IMG]
    You're on page 6, the first page of Rebel Rumblings- your 2 photos and letter are in a blue box so they stand out.
    "Don't step on his white suede shoes" is the headline.
     
  40. PHArchivist

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    obi1 be sure to request the mods to archive this thread...
     
  41. obi1kenny

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    OK, maybe I should change the title and pull in the other stuff from the last thread I had up on this gun. Or get them to merge the 2 threads and save them.
     
  42. Corellianexports

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    Those rectangular pieces just below the scope on the left side also look like Kobold Flash Shoes. Just take a Flash Shoe, flip it over and the back has the same lines on it.

    In fact, from one view, it looks like the area underneath these parts is hollow, similating the "railing" on a flash shoe:

    [
     
  43. TK818

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    Those square greeblies are strange.
    They aren't on the Rebel blaster in the opening scene of ANH.
    They look tacked on.
    One is on the scope rail and one is on the main body of the gun.

    I wonder if they were parts that fell off and were glued back in the wrong place.
    Perhaps they are the greeblies that go behind the scope.

    Boy, this is a huge find and it's already being buried on page three.
     
  44. lonepigeon

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    I can't believe I didn't notice this before...
    The back was NOT cut down. The entire grip and trigger assembly was moved BACK! It's moved back about an inch to cover the pivot point of the stock.
    I agree with TK818's assessment that the front chunk was cut off and reattached - thus squaring off the front of the ejection port.
    Taking both of these into account that leaves only one seamline on the rebuilt gun which makes more sense and explain why it looks so clean.

    BTW- Isn't this PH one an Imperial version? Details vary from the Rebel ones and it does have a solid scope.
     
  45. obi1kenny

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    BTW- Isn't this PH one an Imperial version? Details vary from the Rebel ones and it does have a solid scope.

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    Chris, are you holding back some info here. I have not been able to dig up any good info about major differences between the two.

    Please list what differences you know between the two.


    Richard, I like your ideas on the blaster being pieced together as why the ejector port has a square end.
     
  46. lonepigeon

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    I thought someone had posted pics of some odd greeblies spotted on the Imperial version in another thread. I was just throwing that out as a possible explanation.
    A quick check of one seen in the detention block area clearly shows the clear cone and no differences.
    There could be other versions, stunts etc.

    Edit: found the pic I was thinking of. It was posted by TK818 in the other thread:
    http://rpf.prop-planet.com/viewtopic.php?topic=25749&forum=1

    Definitely now the same greeblies, but a noticibly different version.
     
  47. obi1kenny

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    Right, I was thinking of pulling over some of that information onto this thread, to make sure we were covering as much info as we could while talking theory here.


    So here is TK818's picture of the back greeblie.


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    Here are some other mystery parts on the right side of the Imperial DH17:

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    They sort of look like wire connectors.

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    I also think they look like wire connectors, probably fork style crimp connectors. So the only place this has been seen so far is in the Detention block on the DST blaster, right?


    Also, I see from that thread why we were thrown off on the track of this blaster being at the PH in S. Lake Tahoe. So the other one, the ESB version is possibly at the PH in Orlando?
     
  48. obi1kenny

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    More info from the other thread:

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    The real mystery are the gold greblies behind the scope.
    Circled here in blue:

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    ...
    Here's the ESB for comparison:
    <img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/esbdh17.gif>

    It uses several model parts for detail including a couple from the V8. The camshaft and a part I JUST found looking at the pics again. the tip of the top rail is part #62-H of the V-8.
    Time to go add one more to the page!

    PS- the V8 kit parts don't show up until ESB props, so none of them are on the ANH.
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  49. obi1kenny

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    The one thing that I would really like to nail down and come to a consensus about is the number of
    RIBS on the nozzle.
     
  50. TK818

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    These threads need to be combined and archived!
     

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