opinion about Star Trek TOS bluray

DARTH SABER

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i know there are a lot of purists out there who frown upon any changes to the oriinal series but what are your thoughts on the updated fx on the Star Trek TOS blurays?

personally i think they did a pretty good job while staying faithul to the look and style of 1960s special fx from the original series. I like the fact that they didnt go overboard either.

what are your thoughts?
 
It's a great example of how to use cgi to augment the original content without changing the context, it's definitely helped rekindle my enjoyment of Trek :)
 
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I haven't seen it, but the fact that the viewer has a CHOICE between old F/X and new F/X is encouraging.

Question: when you watch with the old F/X, is the picture image of the same restored quality as the stuff with the new F/X? I mean, high res with a lot of artifacts, scratches, etc. removed?
 
Personally I like the use of CG in TOS. As others have said it's true to the original in both style and content. Also, for the purists the original version is still available as well. To the best of my knowledge though the original negs for that footage are gone though which is why they went CG for the clean up.
 
what are your thoughts?

A very mixed bag. There are some new changes that are very well done, while others feel very out of place and, despite their best efforts, look too much like CGI.

One of the lower points in the remastering effort was in "The Doomsday Machine" episode. The work done on the actual Doomsday Machine itself was ill-advised since the effects team removed all traces of transparency. Michael Okuda justified this change by saying the transparent look of the Doomsday Machine was mistake done by shoddy visual effects work at the time. As someone who admires visual effects both old and new, I think this was a big misstep since a lot of visual effects seem to benefit from unforeseen consequences like this. Having the Doomsday Machine show a bit of transparency is not cheesy in the slightest since some of the most hardest materials known on this Earth are transparent. Even Kirk says that Diamonds are the hardest substance in the galaxy (Apologies to Cast rodinium). Daren Dochterman, a visual effects artist who worked on Star Trek: The Motion Picture Director's Edition did his own take of the Doomsday Machine with the transparency intact.

Another mixed bag was the visual effects team using elements from other Star Trek series to connect into this one. A good example of changing something that fits in with other Star Treks was replacing the stock "Botany Bay" footage from "The Ultimate Computer" and using a new model based off of the transport ship from the Animated Series. Nice continuity connection to a pretty underrated series. A bad example of changing things to fit with something is what the team did to the Tholian ships. Just look at it.

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The original ship seen on the left had a very simple 'crystal' look to it with multi-colored lighting sources to distinguish some of it's areas. It was cool, different and above all, alien. This newer Tholian ship just looks like they took the basic shape of the design and just threw on typical ship elements like a metal hull, fins, and more edges. The Web itself also looks bad by comparison. Obviously this was done to keep it in tone with what the Tholian ships looked like in Enterprise, but even there I thought it was a mistake.

The work that I thought really benefited the episodes are the ones that actually helped tell the story. The two episodes that do this are "Amok Time" and "Court Martial". In Amok Time, some of the static shots of the Vulcan courtyard have been replaced with long establishing shots to better showcase the actual location. The new matte shots really fit in well with the rest of the live footage shots and really helps sell the fact that Vulcan is an alien world with harsh red skies and orange terrain.

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For Court Martial, we not only get to see where that pod was located on the hull of the Enterprise, but the effects team also took the extra step in weathering up the Enterprise to make it look like the time spent in the Ion Storm was not a cozy ride. The added Constitution starship below the Enterprise that looks much more cleaner was an excellent touch as well.

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Very well put Jeyl. :thumbsup

I didn't notice most of that to be honest but it's been a long time since I saw TOS in it's original form. I particularly agree with the Tholian ships. The Doomsday Machine doesn't bother me so much because it was clearly a keying issue but you are right in that the "mistakes" are part of what makes it original.
 
Question: when you watch with the old F/X, is the picture image of the same restored quality as the stuff with the new F/X? I mean, high res with a lot of artifacts, scratches, etc. removed?

Oh, yes. There was a LOT of clean up work done on the original footage. The only issues where it seems to pop up are when episodes use either stock footage or stock photographs. In terms of the visual effects shots? To a point, but it will look soft when compared to the live action shots. That was after all one of the motivating factors in replacing the effects footage with newer CGI effect for the restoration project.

That reminds me. TOS was pretty big in using cross dissolves to go from scene to scene. If a live action segment cross dissolved into another live action segment, that's not a problem. The real issue is when a live action scene cross dissolves into a visual effects shot. Since they're using the finished episodes as a restoration point rather than re-editing all the episodes from scratch like they're doing now with TNG, they have to use the transition effect much earlier in the footage than was used in the original episodes. Sometimes it works, other times not so much. Take the episode "Errand of Mercy" for example. The original shot of Kor where he tells Kirk "It would have been glorious." starts the cross dissolve transition right when he's done with that sentence. The remastered episode starts the transition before he finishes the word "glorious" and the music that starts with the Enterprise comes in a bit too late.

So if you're going to watch the remastered episodes, be prepared for those awkward edits.
 
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The big problem I have with the Bluray...

When a remastered shot comes up, you have the choice of switching from the new fx shot to the old original shot.

Well on my Bluray player that is acheived by hitting the angle button. The problem is that when this option is available (to switch effects shots) a little "camera" icon pops up in the upper right hand corner of my tv screen.

So whenever I watch the remastered episodes I have to deal with this little icon (that sticks out like a sore thumb) popping up every time a new effects shot comes up.

It is a function of my LG Bluray player, and I can't disable it. :angry

This doesn't happen with the dvd (because you can't switch effects shots).


At any rate- I do love all the new CGI effects. I also appreciate the little "gift" CGI shot at the end of "Turnabout Intruder."


However I've found that the dvd (when upscaled on my BR player) is only marginally beneath the clarity of the Bluray.

I received the 1st season as an X-mas gift, but because of that icon problem I won't purchase the other two seasons on Bluray.


Kevin
 
Great Comments.

One small detail I like about the new FX is that the enterprise now has an aztec pattern, much like the Enterprise refit.
 
Oh, yes. There was a LOT of clean up work done on the original footage. The only issues where it seems to pop up are when episodes use either stock footage or stock photographs. In terms of the visual effects shots? To a point, but it will look soft when compared to the live action shots. That was after all one of the motivating factors in replacing the effects footage with newer CGI effect for the restoration project.

That reminds me. TOS was pretty big in using cross dissolves to go from scene to scene. If a live action segment cross dissolved into another live action segment, that's not a problem. The real issue is when a live action scene cross dissolves into a visual effects shot. Since they're using the finished episodes as a restoration point rather than re-editing all the episodes from scratch like they're doing now with TNG, they have to use the transition effect much earlier in the footage than was used in the original episodes. Sometimes it works, other times not so much. Take the episode "Errand of Mercy" for example. The original shot of Kor where he tells Kirk "It would have been glorious." starts the cross dissolve transition right when he's done with that sentence. The remastered episode starts the transition before he finishes the word "glorious" and the music that starts with the Enterprise comes in a bit too late.

So if you're going to watch the remastered episodes, be prepared for those awkward edits.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I've had the blu-ray set on my Amazon wish list for a while now. If/when it drops low enough, I plan to pick it up. I wouldn't expect the old FX to be really crisp, since...y'know...they're old and stuff. But my concern was more about whether the rest of the show had been cleaned up or if we were into "Bonus Disc" territory. I've still got the tricolor case DVDs, but if I could get the original stuff at higher res, I'd go for it.
 
Which seasons have come out?

Is EVERY effects shot been redone? By that I mean every spaceship? Surely so-?
 
But my concern was more about whether the rest of the show had been cleaned up or if we were into "Bonus Disc" territory. I've still got the tricolor case DVDs, but if I could get the original stuff at higher res, I'd go for it.

Think of both versions like "Seamless Branching" rather than "HD and SD". That's really all it is. The live action footage looks exactly the same as it does whether you're playing the episodes with the original effects or the new ones.

And I wouldn't put too much faith into the original season sets that came in the tricolor cases since as is the case with the two episode DVDs and the previous VHS releases before it didn't contain the original sound mixes. Even though the BluRay has a "original mono" listed as a sound selection, it's not the original broadcasted mono. Not dissing the work that was done (It does sound great!), just letting you know that the DVDs aren't really the "original versions" that most would assume they are.

Probably the best part of the BluRays is how "The Trouble With Tribbles" is handled. It's literally the only episode in the entire BluRay collection that has an entire full sized BluRay disc dedicated to this one episode and everything Star Trek that involved Tribbles. It's also the only episode in the original series that has a commentary track, it's got all the subsequent Star Trek episodes that directly involved Tribbles (TAS "More Tribbles, More Trouble", DS9's "Trails and Tribble-ations") and includes the "making of" DS9's Tribble episode. Not bad for a Star Trek fan who got one of his works turned into an episode. :)
 
For now I am happy with my tricolor DVD set. But ever since they announced the Blu-ray set, I was glad that they gave fans the option to choose between the old and new FX, with both versions having the cleaned up picture quality. I hope to pick it up someday.
 
Which seasons have come out?
All three of the original series.

Is EVERY effects shot been redone? By that I mean every spaceship? Surely so-?

If the ship isn't a practical component on the set, than yes. Every ship that's seen in space has been redone. Some are merely redone, while others have been changed completely. The transport ship in "The Way to Eden" is no longer a Tholian ship with warp nacelles thrown onto it's sides and one of the D-7 Romulan ships has been replaced with a Romulan Bird of Prey in "The Enterprise Incident".

One example of a modest improvement over the original is the ship that's seen in... Yes, "Spock's Brain". Here's the dialogue when the crew spot a ship closing in on them.

KIRK: Well, Scotty?
SCOTT: It beats me, but isn't she a beauty?
KIRK: Interesting design.
SCOTT: I've never seen anything like her.

And what does this ship look like?

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A rocket. :facepalm

This is the newer version.

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That's much better. It's not like any ship we've seen in Star Trek and it doesn't look like a typical rocket, so the dialogue fits in a lot better.
 
I'm very impressed with the Blu-ray sets. I am currently on season 3 (unfortunately).

Like Jeyl mentioned the new effects are a mixed bag but for the most part I like what they did and I love the fact you can choose the original or new effects.

On the subject of The Doomsday Machine I remember reading that the machine itself was not supposed to be transparent they just didn't have time to do the effects properly. There are a lot of effects in that episode and they needed to do it quickly. The Enterprise was also transparent in many of the scenes shot for that episode.
 
Little bit of a flub on CBS' part. If you watch "Assignment: Earth", the Earth rotates backwards. Kind of awkward considering that the duplicate Earth seen in the episode "Miri" rotates the correct way, but the real one does not.
 
Little bit of a flub on CBS' part. If you watch "Assignment: Earth", the Earth rotates backwards. Kind of awkward considering that the duplicate Earth seen in the episode "Miri" rotates the correct way, but the real one does not.

With that little mistake, I just imagine that Superman is sitting on the moon, munching popcorn, and wearing a troll-face mask.
 
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