On average how long do you let your spray paints dry before

Grouch

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Doing any sort of additional work like sanding or taping off?

I'm working with Tamiya color spray paints on my sidious v2 and I've had a little trouble with the tape pulling the paint and primer off. I had let it set for ~20 hours and I'm a little worried that what I have taped off now will ended up being pulled off again. Should have let it sit longer? IÂ’m using Scotch 3m painters tape for multi-surfaces.

thanks
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Boba Frett @ Dec 24 2006, 10:34 AM) [snapback]1384013[/snapback]</div>
I am usually working on multiple projects, so I let mine sit around for about a week just to make sure.
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Thanks.

I guess if this current try doesnt turn out I'll just wait longer. :unsure
 
You can weaken that tape a little more by sticking it to your shirt first, as long as it's not too "linty". That should reduce the pull.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mslz22 @ Dec 24 2006, 10:45 AM) [snapback]1384017[/snapback]</div>
You can weaken that tape a little more by sticking it to your shirt first, as long as it's not too "linty". That should reduce the pull.
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Good tip. I wish I would have asked this earlier.
 
sounds more like a surface problem, make sure you are scruabbing with hot water and a cleaning agent, I use ajax. I let it air dry and then I rub it down with isopropyl alcohol after this process I limit the amount that I handle the piece by hand.
 
Hi m8

Your have to forgive me as I am unsure what a sidious v2 is made from, but pending surface preparation to how well the paint sticks. Most things should be cleaned in a warm washing up liquid rich water, to remove any surface grease prior to painting then rinse well, (shower head works a treat,) and left overnight to dry properly. Repainting an old item, that has been handled gets a grease build up on the surface, and this can cause imperfection in the finished paint job as well, so always wash reguadless of new or old.

You say you the tape is pulling off the paint and primer, so I am guessing the surface has not been cleaned properly, or the primer is unable to key to the surface. One of the biggest mistakes is the wrong primer on the wrong surface.

I have been spraying stuff for the last 20 years and have sprayed most things, (including girlie chests :) ) but everyone has their own opinion, so its up to you.

If itÂ’s metal, a etch primer should be used and these can now be bought in a can from car spares shops for ease of use. When dry can be over painted with model acrylic.

ABS, UPVC, and other very shiny flexible plastics (except polycarbonate) an automotive plastic bumper primer is best. This can then be painted with model acrylics without problem.

For fiberglass it needs cleaning well first to remove the mould release wax, and if you can lightly sand it with 1200 grade wet n dry paper you can spray with most primers and it will key well. If you canÂ’t sand it, its best to use a fiberglass etch primer, for good results. (However I donÂ’t think you can get this in a spray can yet.)

For polycarbonate, tamiya make a great range for this as the paint needs to flex with the plastic, so it sticks well, and doesnÂ’t flake off when flexed.

Tamiya acrylic paints were really made for painting or spraying polystyrene plastic based models, but people use them for all sorts, as they do a good range of colours, you just need to vary the primer, pending surface.

So I tend to airbrush a lot of resin items, (ie polyurethane, etc) and have found through trial an error, the best way to get a good base coat, is to put some thinners in an old airbrush, (needs synthetic seals or it kills the rubber,) and spray it very lightly. You find the thinners just softens the surface slightly, (do not touch it at this point or the surface will be marked) then leave for five minutes and spray with automotive acrylic primer and the primers sticks like doggy do do to your shoe. Leave overnight to set, and then this can be airbrushed or painted with acrylic model paints.

As for masking tape, never store in daylight, as this will make it sticker over time. Always keep away from light in a dark draw, and never leave on for more than a few days.

Last off I really hate spraying with off the shelf cans of paint. The spray pattern and amount of paint is not really good for models, as it applies to much in an uncontrolled pattern. A cheap £10 airbursh with can of air, will give better results than an off the shelf can everytime.

However I also buy cans of paint and use them in my airbrush. I puncture the can with a bradle, and let the propellant out, (DonÂ’t try this unless you know what you are doing, if you want to try it, let me know and I will explain safely how to do it.) then tip the paint into a jar to store it. Coverage will be ten times more used in an airbrush than via the can nozzle, and the finish better is better as well.

That my 2 pence worth, but there are always other opinions, that will clash.

:) Don
 
Thanks for all the help and tips guys. If I decide it needs to be re primed and painted should I use and particular type of paint remover on it?

And here are some pictures thus far based on what you see does anyone have any constructive criticisms?













 
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sounds more like a surface problem, make sure you are scruabbing with hot water and a cleaning agent, I use ajax. I let it air dry and then I rub it down with isopropyl alcohol after this process I limit the amount that I handle the piece by hand.
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Agreed.

had same proble.

Also experiment with primers. Believe it or not I've found some of the more expensive primers harder to work with. Some of the ol' $ a can sandable primers are the best.
 
Oh yeah and I use can spray paints because I don't have an airbrush, I've never used one and don't know what to look for in one. :(
 
"ol' $ a can sandable primers are the best."

Thats all I ever use :)


As for airbrushes I've had great success with the cheapo wal-mart model airbrush kits. I painted allot of the Nemesis phasers i've done with this airbrush for the AlCad II paint.

My advise is to buy the cheap one and experiment with it and then as your skills improve upgrade.
 
Here is the result :( Parts of the paint and primer pulled right off to the resin.

And advice on stripping this back down to try again?






 
I would just sand it back off with a low grit sandpaper.

I have a question for you, are you wet sanding the primer, and how many layers of primer are you aplying? and are you wet sanding in between layers?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sector 7G @ Dec 24 2006, 12:03 PM) [snapback]1384056[/snapback]</div>
I would just sand it back off with a low grit sandpaper.

I have a question for you, are you wet sanding the primer, and how many layers of primer are you aplying? and are you wet sanding in between layers?
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No I wasn't wet sanding. But I was using 2000 grit sand paper depending on it. I used only light coats of primer but I put 4 of them down. However I didn't wait more than an hour or so between coats so maybe that was part of the problem.

I just pulled off the tape I had on the emitter and none of that pulled any primer off. I guess that got to dry a lot better since it wasn't coverd in paint.
 
You can strip it with MEK. Nasty stuff though -- be careful. I've used it on styrene but not resin...

Thoughts from others?

There are also varying levels of tack wth the blue painter's tape. Try a low tack.
 
well i'd do the following:

1. sand the entire prop smooth
2. wash the prop in hot water with ajax
3. let dry
4. rub down with alchol limit handling
5. apply a coat of primer look for pin holes and fill and wet sand
6. apply another coat of primer and wet sand
7. apply final layer of primer and wet sand to a glass finish
8. mask and paint
9. wet sand the paint job, that is if your not using AlCad II
10. apply car wax and buff out
 
One thing to be aware that is not mentioned is let your base coat dry for atleast 24-48 hours before taping off any section. When you tape an area off and spray paint, once your paint is dry per the recommend directions, say 20 minutes, get that tape off. Often times, most folks will leave there tape on too long and it binds with the evaporating alcohol and binders and will pull up some off the base paint from time to time. Just some advice.
 
Thanks for all the help guys. It is very much appreciated. Hopefully in a few weeks I'll be able to so you guys a decent looking sidious v2.
 
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