Ok who sniped me!!

I've often bid with days to go in an auction if I think the item isn't popular or in high demand.
Why?
Because I thought of it like "marking" my teritory, hoping it would keep someone else from bidding on it.

Yeah, it didn't always work.
 
I have had auctions that I have been watching withdrawn before I got the chance to bid. probably because they sold it to a friend or on another channel, as many do here in the junkyard. If I had bid on it early the seller would have not been able to cancel the auction.

Usually I will at least bid a nice low bid early on just to keep it up there till the end. When I do put in my final bid, I will put in what I have determined to be the highest I will pay for it at the time, so if I get outbid I can't whine about it. The many times I have let items go because I was not willing to pay more for, almost always pay off with me finally getting another one at a fraction of the cost down the road.

Andy
 
I generally bid the minimum early on in an auction as well for the above stated reasons...

I have waited and watched sellers pull the auction probably because of an under the table offer, they seem less reluctant to do this once bidding starts... I have seen this become a bigger issue over the years for hard to find items...

"Marking Territory" used to be a good option, for friendly buyers but most auctions now mask your identity so it's pretty much invalid now...

But, the main reason I bid a small bid early is that it gives you yet another small advantage, that being seniority in the bidding ladder... If two people bid $50 at that same time, seniority in the ladder wins, or at least it's supposed to... Yeah a small advantage but one that could make the difference...
 
If I had bid on it early the seller would have not been able to cancel the auction.

Not true! An ebay seller can cancel any auction any time before it ends, no matter how many bids there are. You can put in a placeholder bid if you want to confirm your interest, but they can still pull it and sell it off ebay at any time. A seller can't change the listing description after a bid's been placed, but that's about the only restriction.

Not only am I an inveterate sniper, but I also dislike it when other people place early bids on something I'm interested in. Reason? Bids draw the attention of other potential bidders. Many people scan the 'Bids' column as they go through ebay listings, to see what's hot. Also, ebay now actively presents listings to you that have generated interest from other like-minded bidders. So even just putting an item on your 'Watching' list increases the number of people who will see it.

So, placing bids before the last moments of an ebay auction results in:

More interest in the auction, more bid activity, and higher realized prices.
More opportunities for the seller to have a shill-bidding friend jack up the price.
Better chances that a sniper will figure out your strategy and take you out at the last second.
Higher likelihood that you'll try entering 'just one more bid' and either pay too much or make someone else pay too much.

Placing bids early on in an ebay auction only benefits the seller.

Randy
 
Actually... if a bid has been made, then seller cannot close auction if it has entered the final 12 hours before closing. Before that, sure, it may be possible.

Also... some sellers gets cold feet when they don't see the bids flying higher and higher in the first days, so they pull it, because they fear to sell it too cheaply, but are too cheap to pay for a higher starting price.
 
I buy alot on ebay and also sell. I LOVE sniping! As a seller my money goes way up and as a buyer it makes it fun. It's all part of ebay. Am I the only one that loves Ebay? Without it we would never have the access we have to so many old attics full of stuff! Hail Ebay! IMHO
 
I buy alot on ebay and also sell. I LOVE sniping! As a seller my money goes way up and as a buyer it makes it fun. It's all part of ebay. Am I the only one that loves Ebay? Without it we would never have the access we have to so many old attics full of stuff! Hail Ebay! IMHO

Honestly, I'm with you. I don't have a huge problem with eBay other than the fact that they nickle and dime you (if you're a seller) for every little thing. I think if you use common sense, be aware and do a little research before you start selling and buying it can be a very enjoyable experience. I've been buying and selling for about 11 years and other than a couple of minor scrapes, I've had over 400 transactions that went without a glitch.
 
I buy alot on ebay and also sell. I LOVE sniping! As a seller my money goes way up and as a buyer it makes it fun. It's all part of ebay. Am I the only one that loves Ebay? Without it we would never have the access we have to so many old attics full of stuff! Hail Ebay! IMHO

I'm with ya buddy:thumbsup.
 
Actually... if a bid has been made, then seller cannot close auction if it has entered the final 12 hours before closing. Before that, sure, it may be possible.

Is that true? I didn't know that. In any case, savvy sellers aren't going to wait past the deadline, if there is one. They'll stop their auctions a day or two before the auction ends, indicating that the item is 'no longer available'. The more valuable and rare the piece, the more likely this is to happen, in my experience. They've basically used ebay as an ad for a private transaction. I don't begrudge them this, necessarily; I just would prefer that it be me if it's gonna happen!

Also... some sellers gets cold feet when they don't see the bids flying higher and higher in the first days, so they pull it, because they fear to sell it too cheaply, but are too cheap to pay for a higher starting price.
True. You can usually get a sense about this. I have on occasion emailed sellers encouraging them to let the auction go to completion, but of course that opens me up to being shilled as well, so I'm hypervigilant for any sign of it thereafter. ebay, in their infinite wisdom, has made it quite a bit harder and frequently impossible to detect shills, unfortunately.

Randy
 
I only do it if I REALLY want the item and its funny how my heart starts pounding a minute before it ends lol

Ya, my heart never ever pounded so much in the last few seconds of the auction for that bucket in the center image of my sig line (won at 3 seconds before the end of the auction...sorry pal...you got more mulla?...but you don't got enough time)....and it doesn't matter what your max is, if someone can bid in the last few seconds it will go there but the key is to not give someone time to react to that bid, because odds are against you if someone else is bidding in the last few seconds which means they already beat out most of the other bidders who tried earlier.... And it makes no sense to bid early if you are serious about winning because that just gives the other bidders something to bid against, and an impression of where the bidding will go and where to set their max bid.

The best situation is when everyone waits until the last few seconds. That reduces the number of people that can react in time and therefore drive up the bids. I remember for the bucket in the second from left of my sig line that I waited for the last few seconds expecting someone to jump in and no one did. :lol

:ninja
 
A few thoughts, Sniping just evens the playing field. Every serious Ebayer uses a sinping program. With that said, I usually throw out a few bid a day or two before the auction ends to sniff out the competition. ill keep bidding until i reach my 'highest price'. Then I have a day or two to reevaluate if I really really want the item and use a snipe program. If I dont win at least I had a day or two to mull it over.
 
But a sniping program still has to take time to see a bid, and enter a counter bid, unless someone has stats on exactly how long a sniping program takes to enter a bid once it sees one. But that will all depend on when it makes a counter bid. It could take 10s or 100s of milliseconds for it to react, but it takes ebay longer than that to register the new bid. You would still be relying on the program to react to other bids, rather than placing a bid that no one can beat regardless of how much money they have.
 
But a sniping program still has to take time to see a bid, and enter a counter bid, unless someone has stats on exactly how long a sniping program takes to enter a bid once it sees one. But that will all depend on when it makes a counter bid. It could take 10s or 100s of milliseconds for it to react, but it takes ebay longer than that to register the new bid. You would still be relying on the program to react to other bids, rather than placing a bid that no one can beat regardless of how much money they have.

Snipping doesn't counter the bids being placed, it simply dumps your max bid in with only a few seconds left in the auction... So there is no reaction time, as it's simply placing a bid the idea it to limit the other persons reaction time, snipe goes in with 3 seconds left and Ebay processes it, by the time Ebay process that bid and the other people hit refresh and see your bid @ 1 maybe 2 seconds left there isn't enough time to type in a new bid and get it processed, it can take that long for the page to refresh, let along leave you enough time to enter a counter bid...
 
I've seen many times where early bidding led to irrational bidding wars, which were either a "dogs chasing cars" scenario of one or two small bids, or major p-contests where the bidding went well beyond what you could easily by the item. I've uncovered fake bidders, who have spent 100% of their bidding history barely losing to a particular seller. It makes no sense to bid early only to incite bidding wars. Bidding what you feel the item is worth to you at the last second is just as honorable as bidding the first day of the auction on ebay.
 
Yep, the worst thing you can do is bid it up just a few dollars at a time trying to see where the high bidder is at. It adds a lot to the bid count and draws attention to it. I have seen items sell for way above what another "Buy It Now" is listed for at the same time because of this. Sometimes it is shill bidders for sure driving up the count. Sniping sometimes is the best way to protect yourself from unscrupulous sellers using shills to just under bid you too.

Andy
 
Snipping doesn't counter the bids being placed, it simply dumps your max bid in with only a few seconds left in the auction... So there is no reaction time, as it's simply placing a bid the idea it to limit the other persons reaction time, snipe goes in with 3 seconds left and Ebay processes it, by the time Ebay process that bid and the other people hit refresh and see your bid @ 1 maybe 2 seconds left there isn't enough time to type in a new bid and get it processed, it can take that long for the page to refresh, let along leave you enough time to enter a counter bid...

You forget, one can refresh on one page and bid on another. :)

So which sniping software do you use? EZ snipe lets you set the bid time. With three seconds left you are relying on the software to bid without even knowing the course of the bidding yourself. How exactly would you change your maximum then if in the last five seconds your own maximum bid is exceeded even before the sniping software bids?

Set your bidding interval

Use strategy when to bid, even if it is very late in your auctions. Five seconds is a good general rule if you are using our sniper service. Our system automatically adjusts for busy and slower times on eBay. However, don't put too much emphasis on making your bid the last one to arrive at eBay. If someone bids after you, the proxy system will instantly raise your bid above his. Sometimes, if you expect other snipers to bid very late, it may help to bid before them at fifteen or twenty seconds before the close. eBay's rules state an earlier bid equal to a later bid takes precedent.

And this earlier bid must be made 17 milliseconds prior. If it is 15 milliseconds prior, it won't succeed.

For Auction Sniper:

Enter your lead time. The lead time is the amount of seconds before the item end time that you want your bid to be place. We recommend a lead time of 5 seconds.

GIXEN:

Wider choice of snipe time choices (3,6,8,10,12 and 15 seconds).

So they only allow 6 or 3 seconds. And you wouldn't have time to change your own maximum with three seconds left using the software.

Bidnapper:

When you submit a bid manually, or with another snipping service, it is important to know how long it takes to send the bid to the auction site, and have the confirmation return to you. And, you may want to add a few additional seconds to safeguard against a slow connection or heavy traffic. That is how long before the close of the auction you should send a bid. You can call it a buffer, or a margin, or an offset.

Transmission delay for a bid to make it to ebay and then return the result is around 1-2 seconds, depending on network speed. The one-way trip could be as short as 350 milliseconds. This assumes the software is perfectly synchronized to ebay's clock (if it has that feature), which itself will be synchronized to some unknown source. Then there is the matter of when your own sniping software snipes in relation to other sniping software users. If you are setting standard snipe times of 3, 5, or 6 or even 10 seconds, those bids will all come in at once. However, the different user's sniping software's chronological reference may be slightly off with respect to one another. Depending on which bid is earlier, a difference of 2 ms may matter.....

For Max-Bid-Timer II software:

Using Network Time Protocol and a host of free Network Timeservers, Max-Bid-Timer can offer a timing accuracy of [+/-] 1 Second, giving you the edge over many other sniper systems currently available.

So if that is what they call "an edge", plus or minus 1 full second amounts to a range of three seconds :confused. A lot can happen in three seconds. If you set the sniping software to snipe at 3 seconds, it might snipe at 4, or at 2, or at 3. If you set it for 5 seconds, it may bid at 4, at 6, or at 5.

Although:

Because SnipeRight uses our high-performance servers to place bids, it has very accurate timers. The timing of your bids is accurate to within milliseconds.

Or so they claim.

To me it still makes more sense to watch the bids and then put in your final bid rather than relying on sniper software which won't give you time to react if the bid is higher. Of course if you have the time then you wouldn't use the software to begin with I suppose.
 
You forget, one can refresh on one page and bid on another. :)

Nope didn't forget about it, it's just logistically hard to do, the standard Ebay page for me can take ~1 seconds to refresh... You still need to enter the bid and it's a two step process that requires another bid confirmation page to load before your bid is entered, now if a snipe goes through at 3 seconds left, you won't notice it until after there is less than 3 seconds on the clock left, basically you are left to do a double refresh and enter your new bid, not impossible but not exactly easy even with two browser windows open, and at that point you are simply manually sniping not reconsidering upping your bid to counter the snipe just entered at 3 seconds earlier...

How exactly would you change your maximum then if in the last five seconds your own maximum bid is exceeded even before the sniping software bids?

I don't if someone bid higher my bid is rejected and I lose or my bid never goes through, I set my max bid on the snipe and let fate fall in place... Like I said if I really want it I will set my snipe to 2-3 times what it should close at, if anyone else wins it they wanted it a hell of a lot more than me...
 
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To me it still makes more sense to watch the bids and then put in your final bid rather than relying on sniper software which won't give you time to react if the bid is higher. Of course if you have the time then you wouldn't use the software to begin with I suppose.

The point of sniping is to not make more than one bid.
You bid your max.
If you have to place a second bid, you didn't bid your max in the first place and that's not sniping.
 
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