OK, so which one of you is Guy Raz?

[Darkknight0667]

A few pages earlier, I believe it was said, Guy is getting a couple of pieces, for his files.

**Edit** I can't find the original post that lead me to believe that first statement.

Pat

Back when I was managing it, that was the agreement. No money was going to go to Guy at all. Period. 2 copies. No money. I would never have agreed to take it on if that were not the case. (The post you're looking for is in the JY sales thread, Pat.) I cannot say if Clay agreed to anything else after I turned it over to him as things ramped up for the final sales, he'd have to answer about that.

 

[patsmear]

That's it!
My apologies for mixing the two deals up.

Pat

 

[Eaglewood]

Back when I was managing it, that was the agreement. No money was going to go to Guy at all. Period. 2 copies. No money. I would never have agreed to take it on if that were not the case. (The post you're looking for is in the JY sales thread, Pat.) I cannot say if Clay agreed to anything else after I turned it over to him as things ramped up for the final sales, he'd have to answer about that.

NO money--nothing--thats it. This project is officially dead. What has been paid for will be delivered--end of story.

 

[Prefect42]

When I first read about the possible connection with GR over at Propsummit, I asked to be removed from any further items commected with the Han Solo blaster.

I've since been wondering what to do with the flash suppressor. Well before this whole can of worms opened, I'd declined returning it for a "correct" piece.

I'd considered sending it back for a refund. And then donating the money to a worthy cause. But the thought that this thing would just go back out into the world for another sale didn't sit right with me.

So it's off to the trash. And I'm going to donate the purchase price to a local dog rescue. (Twice the purchase price doesn't make me feel much better that I bought something connected with GR but it's a step in the right direction.)

Thank you to all who brought this to the forums attention. Matt, thank you for taking the first step.

Ted.
Prefect42.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Wow--

 

[patsmear]

Wow--

Wow, What?

Pat

 

[MattMunson]

Wow--

For a new user, with ten posts under his belt, I have to say I'm very surprised how much of an opinion you seem to have about this topic. One post, you don't know much about the GR backstory. Next post, you're an expert.

Gotta say, my puppet detection unit just went into overdrive. I don't know who you might be puppeting for, but I find it VERY difficult to accept the idea that you're posting your own thoughts here. If you read the thread, as you say you did, you surely would have noticed how violent the reaction is to Raz supporters. I'm not convinced that as one of your first acts as a newly posting member, you'd put yourself in a similar position. Seems really fishy.

Why do you have such strong opinions on a topic that should be totally foreign to you? Usually when people are new to the forum, they like to get their feet wet by participating in projects, posting pics of a part of their collection, or chatting in the OT. Yet here you are, adopting a very controversial stance in a highly upsetting thread.

What's the motivation??

 

[defstartrooper]

When I first read about the possible connection with GR over at Propsummit, I asked to be removed from any further items commected with the Han Solo blaster.

I've since been wondering what to do with the flash suppressor. Well before this whole can of worms opened, I'd declined returning it for a "correct" piece.

I'd considered sending it back for a refund. And then donating the money to a worthy cause. But the thought that this thing would just go back out into the world for another sale didn't sit right with me.

So it's off to the trash. And I'm going to donate the purchase price to a local dog rescue. (Twice the purchase price doesn't make me feel much better that I bought something connected with GR but it's a step in the right direction.)

Thank you to all who brought this to the forums attention. Matt, thank you for taking the first step.

Ted.
Prefect42.

Nice gesture :thumbsup

 

[Chingon]

When I first read about the possible connection with GR over at Propsummit, I asked to be removed from any further items commected with the Han Solo blaster.

I've since been wondering what to do with the flash suppressor. Well before this whole can of worms opened, I'd declined returning it for a "correct" piece.

I'd considered sending it back for a refund. And then donating the money to a worthy cause. But the thought that this thing would just go back out into the world for another sale didn't sit right with me.

So it's off to the trash. And I'm going to donate the purchase price to a local dog rescue. (Twice the purchase price doesn't make me feel much better that I bought something connected with GR but it's a step in the right direction.)

Thank you to all who brought this to the forums attention. Matt, thank you for taking the first step.

Ted.
Prefect42.

I'm in the exact same boat as you. I was uncertain on how to proceed, so I just decided to sell the thing. However, someone at another board also brought up the idea of selling it and then donating the funds to a charity. I was thinking of listing it on eBay with that intention, though I guess once its tainted like this, thats pretty much it. I may still end up deciding to destroy it. being out the $75 doesnt really bug me that much.

 

[PHArchivist]

It seems like everyone supported it until Mr Munson raised this ugly thread.

Please - explain to us how this thread is "ugly". I'm curious as to your thoughts...

 

[Hirohawa]

Curious to see how many will also throw away their MR Elite Edition Blasters that Guy worked on.

So is there going to be a boycott on all Master Replica products as well? What about Star Wars props in general since a licensed SW product had Guy working on it?

If everyone is coming down this hard on Machina Atrium (50 suppresors @ $75) why not target Master Replicas that is making grown up money from work Guy did? (1250 Han EE Blasters @ approx. $499)

Machina Atrium's run - $3750. Master Replicas Elite Edition run $625,000.

 

[MattMunson]

If everyone is coming down this hard on Machina Atrium (50 suppresors @ $75) why not target Master Replicas that is making grown up money from work Guy did? (1250 Han EE Blasters @ approx. $499)

I think there's a semi-reasonable response to this thought, but it's still full of holes.

I believe that MR had NO IDEA that they were dealing with Guy Raz, and all the baggage that accompanies him. They were dealing with a guy named Gabe. i believe he even had his pay checks sent elsewhere to avoid unmasking himself.

However, if I understand correctly, the flash supressor project is not granted the same hand washing opportunity, as the principles knew full well that it was Guy Raz doing the work behind the scenes. AND they knew exactly who is is/was.

Still, one could easily argue that the MR blaster has "the stank" of Raz on it, but I think there's something to be said about the intentions of the manufacturers.

Another ambiguous moral issue, brought to you courtesy of GR.

 

[Skee]

I think a lot of you have lost your way as to what the thread is about. It's about if Guy is back here sockpuppeting, not really about what he worked on or what he contributed to.

My advice, take it or leave it, I don't care, is to not worry about this flash hider thing so much. Some of you are being a bit overly melodramatic in your thinking that having it in your possession is akin to supporting child molestation (by the way, I don't think he ever actuall molested the child in the case that was brought against him, rather he was caught in his attempted meeting with the child before he could commit the act. Please correct my recount of history if I'm incorrect)

I'm sure that the little do-dad in question can be replicated accurately for those who don't wish to have their hands sullied with anything that Guy may or may not have helped to bring to light. Just take steps to remove his involvement from the equation if it bothers you that much.

It'd be like saying you'd never drive a Volkswagen just because Hitler designed it. I'm pretty sure he was more of a scumbag that Guy was. His involvement doesn't make the product/piece "evil", you know. It still is what it is. A piece of plastic/metal on a replica prop. That's all. You can't change the past. What's done is done. Moving forward, now steps can be taken to remove his involvement from the hobby as needed, for future projects and endeavors.

Perspective, that's all I'm saying.

- Dan

 

[Skee]

Curious to see how many will also throw away their MR Elite Edition Blasters that Guy worked on.

I would say that would be foolish to do, but that is only my opinion.

- Dan

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Im not trying to defend or condem anyone here. That is the farthest thing from my mind.
I have just read thru lots of the threads here concerning various projects over periods of time and it seems that people are quick to jump to conclusions. Maybe im wrong, but am I entitled to MY opinion here or is that not allowed?
You are right--I have no place being "less than 10 posts" as it was put to offer any opinions of any type. I just need to listen and know who to talk to and who to stay away from.


so--Ill be sure to keep my thoughts to myself from now on and concentrate on what brought me here in the first place--the desire to create and learn.

 

[lonepigeon]

I agree with Skee. Lots of overreaction going on about the muzzle.
I would guess at least 90% of the people who were on the interest list for the muzzle knew damn well where the original blueprint came from. Last year everyone was fine and reassured that the project was removed from Guy's hands and under the care of a well respected RPFer for completion. Nothing has really changed since then except for Clay taking over. As far as I see he completed the project according to the original plan.
Yes, I would have rather had someone else do the approval of the final piece. There are others capable such as the original MG81 owner to check the fit on the real gun and someone here to check the Star Wars angle (such as myself, or some other accuracy nut).

Guy is still not profiting from the run.

If the rest of the blaster parts started showing up as part runs under Guy's supervision then I would have a problem.

I see no reason to throw the pieces away.
If you want the rest of the parts you can buy an MR cheaper than anyone here can replicate them.

 

[Skee]

Im not trying to defend or condem anyone here. That is the farthest thing from my mind.
I have just read thru lots of the threads here concerning various projects over periods of time and it seems that people are quick to jump to conclusions. Maybe im wrong, but am I entitled to MY opinion here or is that not allowed?
You are right--I have no place being "less than 10 posts" as it was put to offer any opinions of any type. I just need to listen and know who to talk to and who to stay away from.


so--Ill be sure to keep my thoughts to myself from now on and concentrate on what brought me here in the first place--the desire to create and learn.

Well, you're kind of new here, right? I wouldn't sweat it.

Just take it as a now you know that there's lots of passionate people here, and some names dredge up a lot of bad memories and even worse reactions for some.

Opinions are fine, seriously, but to be honest, probably best not to get caught up in this particular mess unless you have to, just for your own sake. Prop building is much more fun than this anyway. ^_^

- Dan

 

[perite]

I guess what flabbergasts me is that Jedirick, the owner of the RPF, knew about Guy’s involvement from the very beginning but kept quiet about it. Where’s the outrage there?

Whether it is appropriate, ethical, or moral to participate in a project with Guy is an individual judgment call. But the knowledge that Guy was involved from the beginning and through the present was certainly material information that everyone had a right to know up front.

The RPF makes it a bannable offense to front for a banned member, and yet they condoned such behavior in this case. Raz was promised two units for his involvement. Isn’t that a profit? Doesn’t that taint the project? Doesn’t Raz’s involvement in any capacity taint the project?

Yet the RPF itself knew what was going on and kept the information from its membership. Didn't they have a right to know so they could make up their own minds?

How can this be countenanced?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I guess what flabbergasts me is that Jedirick, the owner of the RPF, knew about Guy’s involvement from the very beginning but kept quiet about it. Where’s the outrage there?

Whether it is appropriate, ethical, or moral to participate in a project with Guy is an individual judgment call. But the knowledge that Guy was involved from the beginning and through the present was certainly material information that everyone had a right to know up front.

The RPF makes it a bannable offense to front for a banned member, and yet they condoned such behavior in this case. Raz was promised two units for his involvement. Isn’t that a profit? Doesn’t that taint the project? Doesn’t Raz’s involvement in any capacity taint the project?

Yet the RPF itself knew what was going on and kept the information from its membership. Didn't they have a right to know so they could make up their own minds?

How can this be countenanced?

So what you are trying to say is Jedirick knew that Gabe=Guy? That is a pretty heavy statement that would require some measure of proof if you are going to spout it off. I think a good many of the buyers did not know of Guy's involvement beyond passing the project off. Hell, I did not even know what project that was still active that had Raz's involvement.

The way the handoff was worded, if I am reading correctly, was that Guy was out of the project in the altogether. So, it may be that people took a liar at face value...oops.

 

[Skee]

I guess what flabbergasts me is that Jedirick, the owner of the RPF, knew about Guy’s involvement from the very beginning but kept quiet about it. Where’s the outrage there?

Whether it is appropriate, ethical, or moral to participate in a project with Guy is an individual judgment call. But the knowledge that Guy was involved from the beginning and through the present was certainly material information that everyone had a right to know up front.

The RPF makes it a bannable offense to front for a banned member, and yet they condoned such behavior in this case. Raz was promised two units for his involvement. Isn’t that a profit? Doesn’t that taint the project? Doesn’t Raz’s involvement in any capacity taint the project?

Yet the RPF itself knew what was going on and kept the information from its membership. Didn't they have a right to know so they could make up their own minds?

How can this be countenanced?

Well, you're talking about the past, so does it really matter at this point? What's done is done. The present and future should be the focus now, something that can be affected by change and affirmative action, in order to attempt to help prevent these things from happening again, or at least, be used as knowledge as to how to handle similar situations in the future, should they arise again.

- Dan