OK, so which one of you is Guy Raz?

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So let me get this straight.There are people who SO badly need a flash hider for a damn Solo blaster they will deal with a convicted paedophile?That really does not speak well to their character.This is not something that can just be overlooked or swept under the blanket for the sake of a goddamned prop piece.
I said it in my previous post.Any defence,and in dealing with him you are turning a blind eye which is as bad,of this kind of criminal is unconscionable and should not be tolerated.
Once again this is the honest voice of genuine experience speaking and not some knee-jerk tabloid reactionary.I agree with Matt that the opinions and views expressed within this thread are a testament to the fine character of the vast majority of this board.
 
Aside from that, I fail to understand why anyone would continue to seek his approval on anything at all, once they found out who he was and what he was convicted of. *shudder*

because some people have no problem with what he did and obviously think it is a real laughing matter.

from a 'clock of ages' (tombraider) thread:


QUOTE(Kerr Avon @ Dec 19 2005, 03:50 PM)
The last person who attempted this project was arrested, charged and convicted of attempting to solicit sex with an underage person. Since then, it's kind of been a 'cursed' project and no one has really seemed to want to attempt it. Personally, I'd like to see it done, it's a cool prop, even if a dumb movie.


machina artium's reply to above:
You have been accessing my police record I see--How did you do that??/HEHEHE
 
If several members of this forum participated in the "discovery" of this part why can't a blueprint of this flash hider be published here?

Isn't that the whole spirit of cooperation that is supposed to go on here.

Then people could make their own.

I have read thru the threads and have a pretty good idea of the context of things.
Mr Munson--you come out with all guns blazing dont you? But thats OK doesnt bother me. I have thick skin.

Anyhow, I am in no way coming to the defense of Guy Raz. NO WAY.

What I am getting at is that it seems from the history that most of the people who were interested in this muzzle knew that Guy Raz was involved in it from the beginning. Now this project was kind of handed off to Machina artium with a interest list and asked to run with it. Was he told that Guy was the one to approve these? I dont know this-- An approval is not deep involvement in a project. It sounds like Machina artium has done the legwork, got the machining done, had problems and is correcting them and trying to make this a good project. Now it is derailed because of all of this. I understand what you say Mr. Munson about crossing a line--
If that is the case then the staff should not have approved this to be on here as was stated in a post by Darknight. Machina artium would not have been able to do anything here-post in the JY or anything and this would have been avoided..
It seems like everyone supported it until Mr Munson raised this ugly thread.
He has every right --I agree--but maybe it should have been taken to the Mods and handled a bit differently.
Hell--I dunno--but I just know that it sure does seem like some poor guy trying to make a good prop--and yes probably a few bucks in the process is suffering the same wrath as if he WAS the "Guy" who spent 2 years in prison.

Thats all for me-- Ill be good now and go to my room.
 
Hey, if the blueprints have been passed around, why not post 'em up! There are plenty of machinists here.
 
Okay guys...

You got me.

I'M Guy Raz.

;)
Actually that's not even a little bit funny...

I dealt with Raz on a few things. I even once "defended him" :redface

As he had never renigged on a prop deal I had with him... but as proof we are evolved above single celled life - I can be taught... He's a bad person... plain and simple. Unfortunate as he did have a passion for this hobby - but BAD none the less.

If he's here - and based on the opinions of peopel I respect and the fact that I know that if "I" were banned I could probably get abck without too much problem I'm sure a person way more dedicated to it them I am could as well.

As much as I'd like to believe in rehabilitation and second chances - but a leopard can not change its spots... He's always been "off" and finally we found out that he's actually WAY off... and if possible we should be vigilent and remove him form the boards... We do not need him here. We have plenty of talented passionate people here... who do not have the baggage associated with Guy Raz.

For the record I apologize for ever being on "his side" on anything. I hope he eventually gets his stuff together but also hope I never associate with him again. That sounds a bit conflicted but in reality its just hoping for the best and expecting the worst ;)

Peace,
Jedi Dade
 
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"Ugly thread"? Are you serious? Matt is smearing the reputation of a convicted pedophile? How does he sleep at night?!

:rolleyes

I don't think Matt's thread is intended to rake machina artum over the coals, as much as it is to point out that there is a CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER is among us.

Are people just not getting that? Let me say it again.

THERE IS A CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER LURKING THIS BOARD.

CONVICTED.

CHILD.

MOLESTER.

And he's only going to stick around as long as people are involving him in projects and making him feel welcome.
 
The guy obviously doesn't understand what's going on, or what Raz is all about.

That said, there's no reason to scold like an RPFather; I'd try explaining things with a bit more restraint. I'm sure you're not concerned with this new guy being a friend, but that's really no excuse for being unfriendly.

Just my opinion.

Fair enough. I actually read that post of mine over about three times before hitting submit, as I was feeling like it did indeed come on too strong.

In fact, I was on the verge of posting an apology, until I read the remaining posts by the user that it was originally directed at. Yes, I agree, new users should usually be treated with kid gloves. I know of a user who is a good friend who was shot down on his first post, strictly because he was new.

However, in reading further posts by this person, I've come to realize that he's in the "cannot be convinced" category. I mean, if you're still defending the guy after finding out that he spent two years in jail for trying to have sex with a 13 year old, then spent about a year lying to everyone on the forum, both in personal communications and public, and all this AFTER being thrown off the board numerous times for being a nuisance and a menace, then there's nothing I can say or do to convince you to change your mind.

Honestly.

There will always be the folks that feel that it's either not that big of a deal, he served his time, he should have another chance, etc. It seems to me that the majority of the folks here dont' share that view. This is a forum for like minded prop collectors. Granted, you don't have to think the same way we do, but if you're thinking that a convicted pedophile and thrice banned menace is someone you're going to want to defend, then maybe you're too far away from being like-minded to want to participate in this forum. There may be other forums out there that are better suited to your mindset.

With that said, as many of you may have noticed, this topic gets me very fired up. My blood boils when I read the posts of the defenders, because this is one of those times when I simply cannot wrap my head around that perspective. In discussions about religion, politics, or other hot topic, I can at least appreciate the opposing point of view, even if I don't support it. But this one just seems so cut and dry. It boggles my mind, and perhaps frustrates me to the point of being discourteous.

But to the point about being an RPFather, I essentially agree with you. But when you come into a thread that you apparently haven't read, and make statemens like the ones that were made, that screams for "a schoolin'".
 
Interesting...
Are you suggesting something then?
I'm surprised no one else mentioned this post...


because some people have no problem with what he did and obviously think it is a real laughing matter.

from a 'clock of ages' (tombraider) thread:


QUOTE(Kerr Avon @ Dec 19 2005, 03:50 PM)
The last person who attempted this project was arrested, charged and convicted of attempting to solicit sex with an underage person. Since then, it's kind of been a 'cursed' project and no one has really seemed to want to attempt it. Personally, I'd like to see it done, it's a cool prop, even if a dumb movie.


machina artium's reply to above:
You have been accessing my police record I see--How did you do that??/HEHEHE
 
I think what's being said is that machina artium, Clay, is the type of member who would continue dealings with Raz, even knowing the man is a societal pariah and would be better suited to a medieval leper colony than the civilized world.

Clay's post indicates that, instead of reacting to the fact that a CHILD MOLESTER has been at forefront of the prop getting made, he thinks it's all just a joke...maybe tawdry, but a joke nevertheless.
 
Exactly, Pat said he failed to see who would continue to deal or do bussiness with a person like Raz. The quote i posted answers that question: People who have a f-ed up moral compass, which is what i think you have when you think what Raz was convicted for is something to make fun off.
 
Exactly, Pat said he failed to see who would continue to deal or do bussiness with a person like Raz. The quote i posted answers that question: People who have a f-ed up moral compass, which is what i think you have when you think what Raz was convicted for is something to make fun off.


Well, seems he was forgiven for $hitting on that member over the Constantine Brass Knuckles, wasn't he?

So a bad business apple who now works with pedophiles is offering a new piece and some are ready to lap it up all over again.

Apparently some members of this board enjoy $hitting where they eat.
 
I thought you were suggesting Machina Artium was indeed Guy Raz?
Because the post refered to HIS police record...
I don't know either one, but just want to be clear here.
 
I thought you were suggesting Machina Artium was indeed Guy Raz?
Because the post refered to HIS police record...
I don't know either one, but just want to be clear here.

Im not now am ever defending Guy Raz-- the post in question was made when I was still new to the forum and I didnt have a full grasp of the severity of the situation. Ok--it was a joke--a bad one at that-- I f$#ked up by saying that. My apologies to all. It was bad taste.

DO NOT EVEN THINK THAT I CONDONE OR ACCEPT WHAT GUY RAZ DID OR DID NOT DO--I DO NOT.
So for those of you who think i am in active league with the devil--I AM NOT.

Before beginning anymore props I will be sure to post what I am doing and get the blessings of the entire community here to make sure that someone who possibly was involved in it a few years ago has not been convicted, arrested, gotten caught or any other thing for some crime.

He verified the freaking part--thats IT!!!!!!

Sorry if Im coming of wrong here but now I am being put in the same bottle as him because of wanting to make the best part that I could for all of everyone here. Sorry bout that. My Bad.

can we give it all a rest now--be assured--there will never be anything else that comes from me that anyone will have to question.
 
Been there. Done that.

Hello all,
I know that due to the Constantine Knucks and the crap that has gone on there that some of you have a bad impression of me. I dont blame you at all. I want to take this opportunity to extend my deepest apologies to everyone here especially Franz Bolo and say that I was totally wrong in everything that happened. I have been in contact with Franz Bolo and am trying to rectify the issue. I am following thru with what was promised. I have just completed everything and am going to send the items to him.
Sometimes we go thru things in our lives that affect us in way that we dont expect. This was the case. I could go into the sordid details, but it would only serve to generate more confusion and extra posts that dont need to be done.
Just consider this my regrets for what happened and I was wrong. I was not doing what was right and what was promised. I am correcting this. My heart has not been right thru this whole thing. Please everyone here forgive me.
I only want to do what is right and will strive in the future to do this. I dont expect anyone here to believe me until such time as Franz posts that he is satisfied. That is alright with me. I dont deserve any more than that. I just want to try and regain the trust of everyone here and be able to work with you all in the future.
Again, please forgive me and accept my heartfelt apologies.
 
Been there. Done that.

Ouch! ;)

"He verified the freaking part--thats IT!!!!!!"

It takes but a single, microscopic contact to contract an insidious bacteria, virus, or other malicious disease...

In sociological terms, interaction with the person in question is not too far from this analogy.

So, MA - since I have not been paying attention to the muzzle project, please clarify. What is the status on the project? Have you exercised wisdom and canned it in entirety?
 
Here's what I want to know. Is Guy being compensated in ANY way shape or form for is contribution to the project?

I can't see him saying "Oh sure, you can use my drawings for free. Oh, I'll even verify the part for you...no charge."

He's got to be getting something out of this. If so, you are 'in league with the devil'. I don't think too many people here would be happy if Guy is getting so much as a penny out of this project.

If not, then he's doing this out of the kindness of his heart? Sorry...not buying that.


Im not now am ever defending Guy Raz-- the post in question was made when I was still new to the forum and I didnt have a full grasp of the severity of the situation. Ok--it was a joke--a bad one at that-- I f$#ked up by saying that. My apologies to all. It was bad taste.

DO NOT EVEN THINK THAT I CONDONE OR ACCEPT WHAT GUY RAZ DID OR DID NOT DO--I DO NOT.
So for those of you who think i am in active league with the devil--I AM NOT.

Before beginning anymore props I will be sure to post what I am doing and get the blessings of the entire community here to make sure that someone who possibly was involved in it a few years ago has not been convicted, arrested, gotten caught or any other thing for some crime.

He verified the freaking part--thats IT!!!!!!

Sorry if Im coming of wrong here but now I am being put in the same bottle as him because of wanting to make the best part that I could for all of everyone here. Sorry bout that. My Bad.

can we give it all a rest now--be assured--there will never be anything else that comes from me that anyone will have to question.
 
A few pages earlier, I believe it was said, Guy is getting a couple of pieces, for his files.

**Edit** I can't find the original post that lead me to believe that first statement.



Pat
 
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Before beginning anymore props I will be sure to post what I am doing and get the blessings of the entire community here to make sure that someone who possibly was involved in it a few years ago has not been convicted, arrested, gotten caught or any other thing for some crime.

I really, truly feel that being preemptively ugly and trying to foist this off onto us instead of yourself (after all, we're not working with Raz or finishing his work or however you want to spin it) by trying to make us the unreasonable parties is really the least constructive thing you can do in defense of yourself right now.

Just a thought.
 
I really, truly feel that being preemptively ugly and trying to foist this off onto us instead of yourself (after all, we're not working with Raz or finishing his work or however you want to spin it) by trying to make us the unreasonable parties is really the least constructive thing you can do in defense of yourself right now.

Just a thought.
It's the "some crime" thing that shows character, in my opinion. Sorry MA, it was not "some crime", it was a sex offense against a minor. My morals would not allow me to put money into someone like that's pockets. I am all for forgiveness for some crimes, but crimes against children like that, nope. And if you ally yourself with that person in your support, you are just as bad as they are.
 
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