Nike Mags by Rephot Upgraded Version
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II just noticed that the sole and heel cup doesn't have the texture. They're basically the HC parts with a different upper. We need the original V2 pieces.
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cavx
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I thought the mid-sole and outer soles were the same as the V2, only the heel cup was different due to them removing the branding.
Again these images are too small to make any real comments on.
@airair. I would proceed with your project. It's so close to being a V3. The changes are pretty straight forward. Shorten the area of the collar that is sticking out. Make the collar back to the V2 shape because that was more accurate, and move and remove some seam lines. The tongue looks a too long as well. Everything else we modders can do easily at home. But literally they could have just made the V2s a little taller with flat toes and flatter ribs and it would be good. But seeing how you provided them the official Nike patterns I don't see how they messed it up this bad.
You can see that the V2s upper was pretty dang close. The pull holes were sometimes a little messed up though.
You can see that the V2s upper was pretty dang close. The pull holes were sometimes a little messed up though.
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cavx
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The tongue is an interesting point because the screen used shoe has a very long tongue compared to the 2011 release.
When I did my tongue extension using the real MAG patterns, I extended the top part by 20% which sits really nice on display but can look a bit too long when wearing them.
Since then, I have re-worked the patterns to have the tongue 15% longer. I even back back to just 10% which was too short. 15% seems nice for both display and wearing.
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MrSouthpaw
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The movie tongue was the perfect length to cover the front of the tight-rolls on Marty's jeans.
http://myfavorite80s.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-to-tight-roll-your-pants-80s-style.html
I do this wearing the Mags, even if it's just casually. :cool
http://myfavorite80s.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-to-tight-roll-your-pants-80s-style.html
I do this wearing the Mags, even if it's just casually. :cool
The tongue on the new shoe reaches the very top of the collar.
cavx
Master Member
I wish they had stood the shoe up for the photos. Gravity can have an interesting effect on the way the parts sit when they shoe is upright instead of laying down.
airair
Sr Member
I think the tongue is slightly too long, and stitching, seams off, while uppers shape is incorrect.
Some plus points however minor.
The upper is really stiff, like it has some card in it.
The tongue is made of leather type material, same as the puffy collars.
I will try and see if they can be fixed, otherwise a different factory is probably best.
this is the close up of the "Sports shoe" unbranded version that you see for sale in lots of places. Its the same soles as HC, but the uppers (the bottom half of them are identical to V2 stitching)
cavx
Master Member
Thanks for the high rez images.
So on your prototype, yes the tongue is too long. The seams are in the wrong place on the side and where there should not even be a seam on the outside of the shoe.
They appear to have done that added on part to the top again as the rear seam stops at the strap and does not go to the cuff at the top.
The laces look like the old MP and V1 where they cut the material after to feed the laces through. If this had been done on the inside panel and not the external panel, I'd actually pass it. Not as good as the V2 and "Sport" though which is annoying.
I noticed that they have once again sewn the pull holes. I wonder if it is possible to glue that, then unpick the sewing? The least of our problems, really.
So given the "Sport" shoe is basically an unbranded V2 with a crappy top, maybe it is possible to find the factory responsible for that and get them to change the top to what you specified? In the end, I guess I could live with a three part shell like the V2s have if they were just that bit taller with an improvement to the top.
Must be frustrating for you though when they say they will do one thing and do something different.
JLeezy23
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The biggest problem is obviously copyright issues, on footwear, replicas can be 99% to an original and have no legal issue except being "unauthorized" but even unbranded footwear is in the clear. If it was 100.00% exact then there would be legal issues, which is why Nike hasn't bothered with the V1, V2, or HC designs. So if we had the correct upper, correct mid and out sole, we can have it made unbranded and later added on, there would be no legal issues. But, if a factory made it exact as Nike's, (correct stitching, branding and all) that's when they would step in. Even the Air Jordan replicas can look 99% exact to the original (and they do) but there's always 1 small detail that gives them away, and also keeps them out of legal trouble.
I know this because someone asked Nike about all of the Air Force I look alikes that are sold everywhere, the look alikes have the same basic outline and stitch lines, but that's okay by legal standards. Nike stated its only an issue if someone's design looks exactly like their's, take a look at the "Hardest Sneaker To Retro" interview. The only reason they got worried about a replica MAG is because they thought someone leaked a pair, but once they seen that the replica was not 100% exact, they didn't worry about it. If we can make them like the white sample pair of RD 's we can get away with that, no branding but exact in shape.
I know this because someone asked Nike about all of the Air Force I look alikes that are sold everywhere, the look alikes have the same basic outline and stitch lines, but that's okay by legal standards. Nike stated its only an issue if someone's design looks exactly like their's, take a look at the "Hardest Sneaker To Retro" interview. The only reason they got worried about a replica MAG is because they thought someone leaked a pair, but once they seen that the replica was not 100% exact, they didn't worry about it. If we can make them like the white sample pair of RD 's we can get away with that, no branding but exact in shape.
MrSouthpaw
Sr Member
Well now, those high-res shots are interesting.
The lace area looks like HC stitching, but they bypass that seam and stuck the laces through the outer wall. Would prefer V2 stitching or another method where they aren't just slitting the cloth and running the lace through. I like how they show through the side though, very much like the movie.
That tongue is long. I like the height they used in the movie instead. I wasn't kidding about those tight-rolls....:cool
The toe-box. Will that stretch out with a foot in it, or will it look collapsed still? Could we see the shoe on a foot?
The lace area looks like HC stitching, but they bypass that seam and stuck the laces through the outer wall. Would prefer V2 stitching or another method where they aren't just slitting the cloth and running the lace through. I like how they show through the side though, very much like the movie.
That tongue is long. I like the height they used in the movie instead. I wasn't kidding about those tight-rolls....:cool
The toe-box. Will that stretch out with a foot in it, or will it look collapsed still? Could we see the shoe on a foot?
The upper fabric should be glued down over the laces because of the obvious wrinkles. That would make the ribs more prominent. The way the whole lace area is stitched is wrong. The V2 didnt do it exactly right but better than this sample. And like others have said the way the laces come out is wrong. Did they even use the Nike patterns @airair? If they took the basic shape from those these shoes would be on point. Maybe a few small tweaks to fit the V2 sole. The pull holes could be a little bit smaller and altered in shape as they shouldn't be like a full on right triangle. The aforementioned collar should go back to like the V2 if they can't be exact to the real shoe instead of the HC shape. And have a toe cap to keep the shape instead of the sock look.
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cavx
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Meh, I just think they stuffed it up. Patterns or not, they have demonstrated several times that they do not know how to do this and unless you go there to hold their hand, might never get it right. NIKE won't come after a Chinese company or factory making shoes, even if they could get them right. The thing about Chinese operations is that they are here today and gone tomorrow.
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airair
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The same factory makes all the versions.
They sent me the sports version along with the custom sample.
I've asked them to fix it and send a better sample.
cavx
Master Member
Awesome. What is the turn around time?
cavx
Master Member
I don't China cares about Patents, IP, Copyright etc. If they want to make and sell a product, they just do it. The annoying part is, I know that they can make great stuff. They just seem to be messing around here. Like airair said, find a different factory that will make what is being asked for.
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