New green coat for Doctor Who Series 7?

Discussion in 'Replica Costumes' started by HaroldVonBraun, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. HaroldVonBraun

    HaroldVonBraun Well-Known Member

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    So, the series 7 trailer has now been uploaded in HD, and towards the end, i spotted something interesting.
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    A new-new greener-green coat! Not sure wether this is just a temporary get-up to try and suit in with the western setting, or if he's gonna stick with it, maybe it's a new version of the old green coat, this certainly isn't the same though, as it seems to be a sort of velvet and waxed cotton mix(velvet body, waxed cotton cuffs and lapels. The cuffs are also of a different design, and has buttons. From what i can make out it's still double-breasted though. And on another note, that bow-tie also seems to be a single-ended(Butterfly Batwing Single-End - Single Ended Bow Tie
    ) grey design? It could also just be the lighting.

    Any thoughts on the coat and bow-tie

    EDIT: Sorry about the big picture :/

    YET ANOTHER EDIT: Although i think showing pictures of it would be a waste of space, i have also noticed that often in the trailer, he wears the burgundy suspenders with the blue bow-ties, i just though i'd point it out (;

    THE EDITS COMMENCE: I added a slightly better picture

    THIS HAS TO STOP: Going frame by frame on the trailer, i saw that he wasn't even wearing any suspenders on the clip with him wearing the coat! Blasphemy!

    OH GOD HOW CAN THIS GO ON: To me the blue shirt also seems "bluer" than before, but it might just be the lighting and color correction. Also, he seems to be wearing the old stetson (with bullet hole though, thanks River) a new hat-band and it's been worn down a bit. He's also carrying a gunholster for a bit of the video, just pointing it out.
     
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  2. Columbo

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    When I watched the trailer earlier I thought the green coat looks a little odd but put it down to desert dust and sunshine. Oh dear the costume completists won't be impressed with a new coat. :confused On the other hand costume makers will be well pleased. :lol
     
  3. HaroldVonBraun

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    Indeed, although, considering it's the only time in the trailer i see the coat. It might just be some sort of disguise (if it is, that is a TERRIBLE disguise) or something he's wearing temporarily. But that bow-tie also looks quite curious to me. It could be the denim bow-tie VERY dusty, as that also sometimes looks like it could be single-ended, but not sure yet.
     
  4. Columbo

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    Judging actual colours from episode footage [or even publicity photo shoots] always seems pretty unreliable because not only do they set up specific lighting for filming they then also alter the image again in post production. We may not know the real colours of any of Smith's shirts or ties! :eek

    The new green coat may be a new lightweight version to stop Matt from passing out in the desert? I don't know what the old green one is really like but it LOOKS very warm anyway.
     
  5. Dave Ward

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    It's kinda cool, harks back to the McGann coat. Also maybe to the aborted "pirate" look Matt Smith was originally going to have. Could be something he just wears for the wild west episode, although i thought that about the stetson in S6, and he kept on wearing it. Like this coat a lot.
     
  6. TARDISgamer99

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    I really hope this isn't a new coat...
     
  7. E-Wan

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    Fun fact - that mossy green color is how McGann's coat looks in person.

    This looks like a fun variant - can't wait to see more pics!
     
  8. Creator8979

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    What?! When the Stetson got shot at the end of S6, it was the stetson as projected by that humanoid machine operated by smaller people. So, the Doctor's actual stetson should not have a bullet hole in it. Continuity error, lol. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm positive that I'm right.
     
  9. Columbo

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    Ha ha on the surface that does seem right but there is an explanation for anyone who wants to make a Doctor costume with a marshal badge and a punctured Stetson and not feel like a continuity error. :lol

    In Let's Kill Hitler the tiny crew comment on not needing anything detachable when they change the form of the ship. Detachable bits are a hassle. [Like when they change into the * officer they use his real glasses.] The Doctor knowing River as well as he does guesses she will probably shoot a big hat off the moment she sees it and a bullet hitting the Teselecta would be bad news, this is seen in Let's Kill Hitler as well.

    Knowing these two things the Doctor turns up to the meeting inside the Teselecta with his real Stetson on top of it. River shoots it off without damaging the ship and the Doctor saves the hat [we don't see this happen but the Doctor saves planets with ease so saving a hat would be no problem. It is of sentimental value so the Doctor is not above bending some laws of time to keep it. :lol]
     
  10. Risu

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    Occam's Razor. Moffat didn't think things through all the way and just thought "Wouldn't it be funny and cool if the hat had the bullet hole in it?"
     
  11. Columbo

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    Ha yes the real world reason is that like anything in a TV show someone chose to put it there. Its not a continuity error its a continuity decision. :lol
    The Doctor Who fans who like things to make sense in the fiction can relax because it does make sense using established facts [fictional facts that is.] :lol
     
  12. Risu

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    Also I just noticed that what looks like the original unbuttoned cuffs of the old green coat seem to be peeking out under the new cuffs, actually looks like somebody just slid the new cuffs over them. I can't imagine the lapels are done like that, but it's a thought.
     
  13. HaroldVonBraun

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    I don't think it's the same coat though, first off the technique wouldn't work on the lapels, since the last one had some biiiig lapels, and they propably wouldn't fit under those, and also. This coat seems more like a sort of Velvet that the moleskin/suede of the old coat.
     
  14. E-Wan

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    Wait - there's a possible continuity problem based on the guess that the bullet hole is the same one from a previous episode despite the hats being completely different?

    STOP RUINING WHO MOFFAT!
     
  15. Columbo

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    What, not even the same hat? I had to think of how the hat paradox all worked out for nothing? Grrrr :darnkids

    Actually I like trying to figure out what the hell is going on in Doctor Who. :lol
     
  16. HaroldVonBraun

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    This thread should be renamed "Moffats humongeuos hat paradox, new coat and possibly bow-tie included"
     
  17. TARDISgamer99

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    Just pointing this out, the stetson in the last bit of Wedding in River Song when they zoom in on the Doctor inside the Tesselecta he has the stetson minus the bullet hole and it's after the time when River shoots the hat off his head :lol
     
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  18. Creator8979

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    I has a confused. I bet though that during some footage during that episode something happens to give a logical explanation. Maybe sometime when Amy is waving around her gun it goes off and shoots his hat, something else.

    My point is though that maybe it has yet to be explained b/c we haven't seen the episode. :)
     
  19. HaroldVonBraun

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    Maybe River might make another appearance, shoot off another Stetson, and they'll pull out some joke about her always shooting off hats :D
     
  20. modernboy

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    River shoots the hat off of the Tesselecta!Doctor not the real!Doctor. The real!Doctor is safe and sound inside the Tesselecta!Doctor and so is his Stetson.

    BUT!

    The western hat worn in the western episode is a totally different one from Season 6 and he most likely picks it up in the western town they are in. It is weathered, has a much smaller brim and is turned up at the back. Also, those aren't bullet holes on the sides, those are vents which are quite common to the style of hat he is wearing which is akin to something like this:
    American Buffalo - Leather Cowboy Hat | Hatcountry

    I haven't been able to find the exact one yet. It is going to be way more difficult to find as it may have been picked up specifically in Spain.
     
  21. HaroldVonBraun

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    OH, they're vents! That puts a WHOLE other perspective on things now, hmmm, i wouldn't be surprised then, considering how everything he wears is custom nowadars, that the hat might be custom aswell. Or maybe picked up from some small local hat-maker somewhere.
     
  22. modernboy

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    At least I think they are vents. Unless he takes the hat off of someone and it is a bullet hole. It's possible. Still it's a completely different hat, much more fitting the time period and location. The Stetson from Series 6 is a modern hat.


    I never thought I'd know so much about cowboy hats. This will come in handy never.
     
  23. E-Wan

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    With the way Amy's swinging around the gun in that trailer, the hat could well be hit by an stray bullet... But again, this is all complete supposition.

    Modernboy, just wait until you are in a life-or-death situation based on your knowledge of stetsons!
     
  24. thorneyboy

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    Here is the hat for your discussions to continue.
     
  25. Creator8979

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    I think you're right man. That hole does look very clean, whereas a bullet hole would not (most likely) be a smooth perfect hole. I bet he does pick it up, cause in the trailer he says that one line about his Christmas list, and it looks like he has just arrived. I could be wrong, but maybe he does pick it up. Or it gets shot. Whichever, :)
     
  26. TARDISgamer99

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    And he's a sheriff now! Look at the badge on his jacket! :)
     
  27. modernboy

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    It actually says Marshall! /pedant
     
  28. TARDISgamer99

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    By the way amys swinging around the gun I would be pretty surprised if she managed not to shoot anyone considering how many people are crowded around them..
     
  29. Creator8979

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    Definitely. She would have to be very lucky. Well, it is a TV show, and it is Doctor who. Not the most realistic, :lol
     
  30. Zeppo

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    Looking at the picture, and rewatching the trailer, I'm not entirely convinced the coat is green. To my eye, it looks like a black, Victorian style frock coat that is liberally covered in dust.

    The tie also appears to be of the period. And unless I'm mistaken, the shirt has a period appropriate stand-up collar.
     
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  31. HaroldVonBraun

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    Hmmm, i think the shirt is the same striped shirt from Series 6.
     
  32. Dave Ward

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    The Doctor getting his hat shot off could well be a running joke in the series. Which is awesome. I'm seriously considering putting a fake bullet hole in my Hutchins stetson. Or I could wear it in some of the less upmarket areas of Baltimore, and I'm sure someone would do it for me.
     
  33. modernboy

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    Definitely green. It really does look exactly the same color and fabric as the McGann frock which as many of us are aware changes color from one extreme to the other based on lighting.

    Also that is the same striped shirt from series 6 and I think the same tie but on that I am not certain.
     
  34. Zeppo

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    I may well be wrong about the shirt, but I disagree about the colour of the coat. I still think it's black and covered in dust. Guess we won't know for sure until we get more pictures or the episode airs.
     
  35. TARDISgamer99

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    "Not the most realistic"- Blue police box that travels through time and space with an alien called the Doctor who goes around saving all of time and space :lol
     
  36. E-Wan

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    Agreed on the coat. It's literally shades of McGann all over again!
     
  37. Zeppo

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    Except that given the time period, it's most likely a single action revolver. So unless the hammer is cocked back, she could swing it around all day long, and it wouldn't ever discharge.
     
  38. modernboy

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    Except for in the trailer where she is waving it around and it goes off or no apparent reason...there's no place for logic here.
     
  39. Angelus Lupus

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    Given the Doctor also mentions anachronistic electricity in the trailer it's possible the gun is an anachronism, too. (There's also a guy with a gun for an arm, so it might not even be the real Old West; but that' just a theory)
    See, the old "aliens did it" argument beats logic every time :lol
     
  40. TARDISgamer99

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    Anyone else notice that it appears Amy and the Doctor are the only ones holding guns in that crowd though? At least that i could see..
     
  41. Creator8979

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    Seems legit, :lol
     
  42. HaroldVonBraun

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    Is it just me or is that a new set of suspenders?
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    And the Series 6 suspenders.
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    EDIT: My oh my Mr. Smith., you forgot to roll up your jeans, Then again, it's better than Karen, she didn't even put on any socks!
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    Editty Weddity: (Ew, that doesn't work on everything does it)
    The suspenders could be something like this. http://www.amazon.com/Burgundy-Leather-Suspenders-Elastic-Y-Back/dp/B000P0DXJ0 but with the leather strap for buttons removed.
     
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  43. E-Wan

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  44. HaroldVonBraun

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    Hmmm, seems pretty accurate, although (just for the sake of nit-picking) the clips on the doctors suspenders seem slightly "chubbier" and the top part of the leather thingy holding the clip is slightly wider at the top on the doctors suspenders, whereas the ones you found have the same size on the rounded leather thing folded over. Very confusing i know, i'll try posting some pictures to prove my point

    EDIT: nevermind, there actually seem to be large varation between the models, and my point is false. I think you mailed the correct supplier!
     

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