New Elstree Studio documentary with discarded Graflex.
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vader45
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I know that. Lol but I was referring to the screen saber referenced.
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Thanks for doing that version, Roy! This really feels closest, to my eye anyway. There certainly is some overlapping of the grip over the rivets in your 3D model mock-up, which seems to look right to me compared to the original photo. I too will take a look at some other reference and see if more can be gleaned.
roygilsing, thank you for the helpful new reverse engineered pics! I wonder, thanks to these new 3D renders, if you have now discovered a more accurate grip alignment scheme in relation to the clamp and D-ring clip? Would you be able to share a photo of your 3D render showing a straight on shot of the pommel and randomized grip positions with the dual rivet clip, two sets of grip rivets, and clamp? That might help to visualize alignments, etc better.
Gregatron, based on Roy's reverse engineering model of the different sized rivets next to each of the grips one can see that the 2x 2.4mm rivets butted up next to each other do not take up as much real estate in their combined length measurement as do the 2x 3mm rivets and the fact that the two spaces between the grips are different in width. Based on this evidence, it seems clear both grip rivet sets are indeed different sizes and not the same size otherwise there would be equidistant widths between the grips.
Gregatron, based on Roy's reverse engineering model of the different sized rivets next to each of the grips one can see that the 2x 2.4mm rivets butted up next to each other do not take up as much real estate in their combined length measurement as do the 2x 3mm rivets and the fact that the two spaces between the grips are different in width. Based on this evidence, it seems clear both grip rivet sets are indeed different sizes and not the same size otherwise there would be equidistant widths between the grips.
IronDestinyProps Yeah you also seem to be forgetting that the rivet edges are tucked *under* the track in the other picture.
Same size rivets.
Same size rivets.
Yes, they do seem to be slightly tucked under the grips, especially the 2.4mm rivets, but keep in mind we are looking at a 3D object via a 2D image: the position of the 2.4mm rivets are further away from the camera than the 3mm ones which is giving the allusion that they are further under the grips than they may actually be in reality.
Seems there is some room for interpretation here, but it's hard to say for absolute certainty at this point one way or the other whether they are all the same size or varied. Since the photos we currently have are not super tight images focused on just the hilt, (rather they are wider shots focus on the people in the photos), it may be difficult to say definitively one way or the other.
As much fun as it is to pick on Roger Christian, I can't imagine him added the four grip rivets from a design perspective... which makes me wonder if these weren't added by the people who were working on the Elstree saber.
Was the lower half of the hero intended for stunt work?
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Thank you; that’s all I’m saying. I could very well be wrong and they are indeed two different sizes. But there are other factors involved here - uneven spacing in the tracks, a set that appears to be tucked underneath - and the fact that everyone seems to be taking conjecture as “absolute” statements is irksome.
It’s the same thing with the Exactra screws all over again. Chaim posted them as a “they seem to fit the bill and bonus points because we know they’re vintage” type of thing and now everyone touts them as gospel as to what was actually used on the prop.
It’s the same thing with the Exactra screws all over again. Chaim posted them as a “they seem to fit the bill and bonus points because we know they’re vintage” type of thing and now everyone touts them as gospel as to what was actually used on the prop.
Yes. That's an interesting phenomena! But that's just the way with things. I started this whole thing because I didn't know who to believe and I trust my own eyes and skills best. Although I have been proven wrong sometimes as well and then you learn to except the fact that your eyes can deceive you! And you learn not to be certain until the evidence is so clear and most people you trust are all agreeing. That's when a new truth is born. But some people are easier convinced. Especially those who don't understand it's an organic process. I don't think many of us here are that way though.
We all want the truth to be clear and unambiguous.
R5D4
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But you measured the first two rivets and they were smaller than 3mm.
100% agree with those sentiments, roygilsing!
This is what I thought. He might have been right about never owning a rivet gun (it's not an easy thing to forget) because somebody else did the popping perhaps.
I don't think the rivets were there for affixing stunt motor parts, but I find the theory for reinforcement of the D-ring assembly very likely. It's exactly at the correct spot to mount an internal L-shaped piece of metal on the inside. They might have tested it and found it to be too weak.
I think the large gap between two of the grips is because of these larger rivets. The other two rivets are indeed overlapped by a track but having two larger rivets there is hardly possible without removing plastic from the grip to allow it. The smaller rivets (in my opinion) fit that option better. But I think we all agree it doesn't make sense to use different size rivets. Very annoying result. I might give it another try today if I find the time but this time I will try to make it clearer and easier to compare.
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