New Doctor Who Series Discussion *Spoilers*

[NakedMoleRat]

I don't really have anything to add, I just wanted to post something on page 100 of this thread! :thumbsup


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Poop! I became the first post of page 101!

 

[Kerr Avon]

Is is just me or is the new companion pretty cute?

I wanted to see what was under that trench coat. :$

 

[Shade88]

I wanted to see what was under that trench coat. :$

I can see many people saying the same thing... :lol

 

[JBReplicas]

I hope it is as good as it looks, the last 2 haven't been up to much!

 

[timelordjedi777]

I'm looking forward to it. Mostly the new companion not the gloomy mopey Doctor.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

I hope it is as good as it looks, the last 2 haven't been up to much!

Sadly, for me anyway, having a lizard woman walking around Victorian London un-hidden is already a bit too ridiculous for me.

 

[manofsteel25]

I find the new companion not just cute but pretty darn hot. Not that Amy was a slouch in looks but this new girl is even a little bit more my speed. i look forward to season 7.2 immensely.

 

[JBReplicas]

Sadly, for me anyway, having a lizard woman walking around Victorian London un-hidden is already a bit too ridiculous for me.

I can see what you mean but there is an awful lot of ridiculous in new Who already I think, did no one remember the massive Cyberman robot spaceship trampling central london? :lol

 

[Michael Bergeron]

I can see what you mean but there is an awful lot of ridiculous in new Who already I think, did no one remember the massive Cyberman robot spaceship trampling central london? :lol

Indeed! It's just things like that that take me out of the show.

 

[TheDoctor]

I can see what you mean but there is an awful lot of ridiculous in new Who already I think, did no one remember the massive Cyberman robot spaceship trampling central london? :lol

Actually, no. The Daleks "stealing" earth, the Cybermen in London, etc. - all erased from people's memories because of the cracks.

EDIT: ... or the event itself was erased...

 

[JBReplicas]

oh yeah the good old galactic reset button lol :rolleyes

 

[greatwazoo42]

Even before the Time War time was in flux. There's dialog between Adric and the 4th when that nosey little twit started reading the Doctor's personal diary and then stormed up to him complaining about a set of entries where an event takes place, the next entry says it happened 500 years earlier and then the next entry says it never happened at all. I think that was in Part 1 of Logopolis.

Now that no one is really keeping Time clean and neat there's all sorts of pocket activity. That and humans tend to forget or deny big, scary events quickly because they want to. How many details can any of you recall off the top of your heads about the recent Tsunami in Japan without having been there?

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Now that no one is really keeping Time clean and neat there's all sorts of pocket activity. That and humans tend to forget or deny big, scary events quickly because they want to. How many details can any of you recall off the top of your heads about the recent Tsunami in Japan without having been there?

Very many actually. But I work in news... :lol

Let's be completely honest though, a lizard woman in Victorian London? It's not so much the "people would have written about her" but the "there would have been mass hysteria" that takes me out of it.

 

[cboath]

It's a show about time travel. Could it not be as simple as the race appeared a good while before the doctor shows up and the people have adapted? Doctor arrives and realizes this is wrong and fixes it? Ergo, nothing to show up in literature of any sort.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

It's a show about time travel. Could it not be as simple as the race appeared a good while before the doctor shows up and the people have adapted?

Honestly? No. Even now if there was a lizard woman running around a major city there would be conspiracy theories and fear with assassination attempts weekly if not daily. Back then? A mob with torches.

UNLESS she hid herself all the time and killed those who found out about her and didn't accept it. From what the trailer shows us though she's walking around the streets just fine. Bugs me.

 

[Force Commander]

The universe of Doctor WHO is not our own. While similar, it is not the same. We can not always expect the same actions and reactions of our own reality. This is sci-fi/fantasy. Suspend disbelief and enjoy yourself.

 

[greatwazoo42]

Do keep in mind it was Victorian England. As long as you appeared to be well monied people felt it wasn't their place to say anything to you. Talk amongst themselves quietly though was a different thing.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

The universe of Doctor WHO is not our own. While similar, it is not the same. We can not always expect the same actions and reactions of our own reality. This is sci-fi/fantasy. Suspend disbelief and enjoy yourself.

Oh I know, doesn't change the fact that it bugs the hell out of me. However I'm not entirely sure I buy into the "it's a different universe" thing. It's clearly meant to be ours in the classic series and this is supposed to be an extension of that. No matter what the universe it though human nature is human nature.

Do keep in mind it was Victorian England. As long as you appeared to be well monied people felt it wasn't their place to say anything to you. Talk amongst themselves quietly though was a different thing.

To a point yes. But lizard people? Not likely at all.

I can see the Sontaran getting by, he could be mistaken for a birth defect.

 

[renaissance_man]

I think the only way that explanation works is if you assume that "magic" itself has a scientific explanation. There are plenty of examples where the "science" is not only wrong, there's often no explanation for how it works because we're just supposed to believe it does.

Example 1: The Sonic - What does it do? How does it work? How do Sound Waves re-attach barbed wire? Or manipulate a computer? Etc. This is part of the complaint in this thread - there's no boundaries for the Sonic, it's just a Magic Wand. In fact, The Doctor didn't even make it himself, it's something that comes from the TARDIS! We might as well say it has a Magic Feather core.

Example 2: "Timey-Whimey" - So, instead of The Doctor trying to explain how it works, he pulls out this phrase (or something like it). In a Fantasy work, when someone asks how things work they say "it just does" or "it's complicated" and move on. In a Science Fiction you take time to explain something (even if it's made up).

Example 3: "Remember Me" - So Amy brings back The Doctor (after he uses the Tardis to restart The Big Bang) just by remembering him. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVED the scene - very powerful and emotionally driven.... but not Science Fiction.

I could go on, and on, and on. The writers and producers themselves have made it pretty clear that this is Storybook Fantasy. Even as far back as the "Rose" era (I can't speak to the older Who because I haven't watched much of it) it was a work of Fantasy instead of Science Fiction. Rose absorbs the Time Stream and wishes the Daleks away - Science or Fantasy? The Angels turn to stone the moment somebody looks at them... there's no way Biology works that way.

You see, in order to be a "Science Fiction" you have to maintain some sort of "plausibility" - the vast majority of stuff in Doctor Who is VERY implausible. In my mind, Doctor Who doesn't even make it into the Pulp (of SciFi) tradition of Science Fiction. There's rarely an explanation of how things work and when there is, there's very little attempt to keep it in the realm of plausibility.

In Doctor Who, we might as well be saying "A Wizard did it" - and that Wizard is The Doctor.

You pretty much summed up why I don't like Doctor Who there.

The teaser trailers for most episodes give a big build up which I often find lacking in the actual episodes.

Don't get me wrong it's nice to have a scripted series doing well globally (especially one made in Wales!), Lord knows there's enough dreck in the form of reality television these days, but I just can't get into Doctor Who.

 

[cboath]

Honestly? No. Even now if there was a lizard woman running around a major city there would be conspiracy theories and fear with assassination attempts weekly if not daily. Back then? A mob with torches.

UNLESS she hid herself all the time and killed those who found out about her and didn't accept it. From what the trailer shows us though she's walking around the streets just fine. Bugs me.

How about a perception filter that the doctor/the audience can see through? Not to say it couldn't be super cheesy, but perhaps seeing it in context would help, no?