National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets - Share Your Props & General Discussion

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  1. Carrossea

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    EDIT: I edited the title because later in the discussion, members, including myself, have strayed from the original topic/question. The discussion got really interesting and good, and became more focused on props in general, including discussions regarding the original NT2 props created by Ross MacDonald. Members have also posted about the props they have here. So post anything you like regarding the NT franchise! Enjoy!

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    Hello everyone,

    So I am interested in making a replica of the Burnt Page from the Booth diary. However, I am new to making paper props (or props in general). Can anyone explain how this is done? Like the aging process, etc. A step by step description can help out. Also, does anyone have good, high quality images of the page, or know where I can find some?
     
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  2. Carrossea

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    Oh wait. I just found another place on the forum giving the images to the page. Does anyone know any good techniques though on how to age the page? And about what size is the page exactly? (dimension)
     
  3. MadMike

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    I think I have done something like that in elementary school, I had to draw a treasure map and makre it appear old. IIRC, I used a hairdryer to heat up the sheet and to yellow it, afterwards I took the paper and dipped it into sunflower oil.

    I have in mind that it looked pretty good, but I can't remember the real outcome, though. :lol
     
  4. Carrossea

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    Hmm. That sounds interesting. I might try that! Thanks!

    Anyone else have any techniques? I heard that coffee or tea works as well, but I don't know if those are the best process to make the page look as realistic as possible.
     
  5. Polsnulspace

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    I've no arty talent in any way but I have aged a coupla paper props in the past. I used both tea and coffee. I would use the tea for general light aging, coffee for slightly darker areas....and actual raw coffee granules on the already wet paper for the really dark areas...obviously removing the excess granule after the effect is achieved. I also scrumpled the wet paper into a ball then I'd flatten it back out which gave it a more worn look.

    As for any burnt edges.....get a lighter out and start burning! Just make sure you do it when the paper is dry! :rolleyes:lol
     
  6. PropsGallore

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    or you can just get the real deal and start ripping out pages!
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  7. Jedifyfe

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    /\ so if you have a hi res scanner and you want to make some money with a replica... :love
     
  8. PropsGallore

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    hehehe, too much work, I would have to get the booklet inserts all hand bound. the paper is all special paper.. who knows where to find it, too much work invovled, although the thought did cross my mind!! it could be done..

    as for the leather wallet, i wouldn't even know where to begin, I'm pretty handy but there is no way i could ever source all these materials and then construct them like this is. You have to see it and hold it in your hands then you would understand the time involved and even if someone could make em, they would cost an arm and a leg due to just the labor alone. gold embossing, stitching, diying etc.. way too much work.
    i think that's why no one has yet to make a replica. The presidents book wallet is much easier to do as a few people have done replica's
     
  9. Jedifyfe

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    I have one of the replica BOS that the members did here and it is amazing work but I can ONLY imagine the complexity of the binding and leatherwork that went into the Booth diary.
     
  10. PropsGallore

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    For sure. From what I was told, the lines in the red leather were all embossed one line at a time. it was a scratch build for the film.

    The BofS is a really hard book to make don't get me wrong, but the cost in that for the most part is all in the inserts and news clippings inside the book and not the simple wallet itself.

    do you have one of Sarednab's books? his are the best replica's I have seen as he has an actual BofS that actually made it much easier for him to recreate the books. but he wants alot of money for them.. 2k last time i checked.
     
  11. Jedifyfe

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    I agree. The difficulty and skill in making the BOS is the inserts, binding and writing of the stories.

    Yes I have Serednabs...

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  12. thegreatgalling

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    Just beautiful Brad. Wow.
     
  13. Carrossea

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    Thank you so much for your detailed explanation! This helps out a lot!

    Awesome, diary! So you have the actual screen-used copy? How did you get it, and how much did it cost you?? Thanks for sharing!

    That's awesome that you have Sarednabs! I had wanted to get one, but unfortunately I was low on budget. Awesome collection by the way. Thanks for showing pics! :)
     
  14. Sarednab

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    Hi PropsGallore,
    nice to see you here ;)


     
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    Ehy PropsGallore,
    we made our BoS BEFORE I received my BoS from Ross MacDonald, so, we don't have reference for it (all info was taken from web, movie, special etc...). :)
     
  16. PropsGallore

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    Carrossea,
    thanks for the nice comments. for the whole lot, extra booklets and the booth diary etc, it set me back a few grand...

    The only reason why I chose the booth diary over the BofS as i had a choice between the two, is because the booth diary actually exists. Its a real diary that's on display at fords theator that booth carried with him before and after he shot the president. looks exactly the same as the actual booth diary in real life. So for more of a historical reasons, it had more interest to me being this is a real piece of american history. actually has booth's handwriting inside, all his thoughts, notes, etc.
     
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  17. Carrossea

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    So you are the one who are buying the Booth Diary! Was talking with Ross on how things are going with my BoS, and he has mentioned he was making a Booth diary as well. Yes, please post pics! I really wanted one, and would like to know how some pages look like on the inside to finalize my decision.

    Sarednab, do you happen to know how many "production-made" copies of the Booth diary Ross made for the NT2 movie? I know he made, I think, 1 screen-used copy, and 6 production made copies of the Book of Secrets for the movie. Please confirm if I am right about this.

    Wow, so I see you are on the other side of the coin. That is the exact thought process I went through in deciding between the BoS or Booth diary. I was considering the Booth diary for the same reason as you. However, I ended up getting the BoS because I learned that he only had 1 production-made copy left. Plus, considering that it is twice the price of the Booth diary, I can probably get the Booth diary later easier. Plus at the time, Ross stated he considered not making anymore BoS because it is too time consuming. But I think he might have changed his mind about this because I learned that there is one other person who is currently making a commitment to buying one (just not paid for it yet.)

    But thanks for sharing this! It is nice to hear the other side of the story. I can almost say I had wished I got the Booth diary, because as you said, it is a REAL historical artifact.
     
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  18. Carrossea

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    Sarednab, I just noticed this. I think you might have been mistaken about the Booth Diary that you are purchasing (and for all those who are purchasing the diary from Ross) as being a "original production" Booth diary. Ross says on his illogator website:

    "Your copy will be created exactly like the copies I made for the movie."
    (click on above to view)

    So I think yours is a replica or exact copy of the ones he made for the movie, not necessarily a "production-made" copy. Still awesome, and I totally want one, but just for clarity. :)
     
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  19. Tom1971

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    Okay,
    I posted a thread a while ago a lot of people liked asking what members did for a living.

    You members buying Booth Diaries and BOS from Ross must share your professions.
     
  20. Carrossea

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    :) What can say? I love collecting.

    Ben Gates: "You don't need someone crazy. But one step short of crazy. What do you get?
    Riley Poole: "Obsessed!"
    Ben Gates: "Passionate."
     
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  22. Sarednab

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    No no, he talk about covers, but books were made in 2007 for the movie ;)
     
  23. Carrossea

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    How many Booth Diaries does he have left? (production made copies I mean.)
     
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  24. Sarednab

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    I don't know about Booth Diary, if I remember well he still have 3.
    Regarding BoS, I think the last one was sell to you
     
  25. Carrossea

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    Yes, the last BoS is sold to me.

    PropsGallore, who had just bought a diary from Ross a few years ago, just told me that Ross had ran out of studio copies a long while ago, but now makes EXACT copies of Booth diaries. (Ross dates the certificates of when he makes a new the Booth diary now. The undated certificates indicate that it is a production-made one.) I guess I missed my chance. :confused
     
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  26. Sarednab

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    No no, all you bought from Ross MacDonald is material that he made for production. I think PropsGallore bought it recently, like me.
    Ross relase a CoA everything you purchase from him and in this certificate he say that was made during production of the movie.

    If you want a Booth Diary from Ross, you can have it. And you'll have a original production book like mine and PropsGallore
     
  27. PropsGallore

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    I highly recommend these Production* props. worth every penny.
     
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  28. Sarednab

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    I post this just to be clear. Mr. Ross MacDonald ask me by email to post this for him.

    "Just to clear up the discussion about production-made copies: on my store site I don't mention that I have a few production made things, because I didn't know how long they'd last, and I didn't want everyone expecting to get production made stuff if I didn't have any left. The copies of the Book of Secrets and the Booth Diary that you got are just like you said on the rpf: the bound paper books were production made, the covers are made new. Carrosea's is the last production-made BofS (the book itself, not the cover). I have one production-made diary (again - book, not cover), and several folded and gathered books that aren't bound together yet. I should also note that your diary cover incorporates some pieces - leather, board, etc - that were made during production. The small pieces of red leather in the pencil holder and the strap holder, and the black leather sides (gussets) of the large pocket were left over pieces from the screen-used copies. I save everything!

    Also - if you EVER see any NT2 prop listed as 'screen used' it probably isn't. The only screen used thing I have is the pistol. The production companies usually buy the props, in which case they own them and keep them. Occasionally they rent the prop from the prop maker, in which case the prop maker would be able to sell it as screen used. I have built and rented a few props to smaller productions.

    Also - there is only ONE screen-used Book of Secrets. The one that's shown on my site is the screen-used copy. I delivered it personally to the set, was there on set when they shot the library scenes, and I had the BofS back here in my shop a couple of times to add new pages and to repair it. During one of those times I photographed it. My copy of the BofS was built during production, at the same time as the screen-used one, as my 'safety' copy. I had it with me was on set during filming. It is identical to the original. I match all new copies to mine. It should be noted, however, that they changed the original slightly later - they glued in a couple of new pages, one of them in the wrong spot. My copy doesn't have that mistake, and I don't put it in the new copies I build. I know I mentioned this to you before.

    Also - in order to discourage forgeries, I sign and date the props themselves - if you look inside the pocket where the cover of the book slips in, you will see it. There are several other small hidden things. I can always tell one of my props from a copy. "
     
  29. Tom1971

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    Out of curiosity where is the one screen used BOS?

    I remember reading that it might be at the library of congress on display????
     
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    Yes, original bos is in library of congress
     
  31. Carrossea

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    I think it is no longer at the library of congress. It says in this article is was only on display untiil Sept. 27, 2008. So I don't know exactly where it is now. Unless they decided to keep it there...

    Book of Secrets on Display - News Releases (Library of Congress)

    Sarednab, thank you for posting the clarification! Also, I don't think the screen-used one is on display anymore. This article says it is only until Sept. 27, 2008 that it was on display to the public.
    Book of Secrets on Display - News Releases (Library of Congress)
     
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    Mr. Ross MacDonald would help us to answer these questions but he can't access on rpf, this is what he say:

    "the book of secrets was in the library of congress (unfortunately, they displayed the bad page, with the wrong date and signature!) but most recently it was on display in a disney museum in california. That was as of about a year ago - not sure if it's still on display."
     
  34. Carrossea

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    Oh okay. Thanks for sharing this, and tell Ross I said thanks for answering all of our questions! It would be cool to see the screen-used copy. :eek
     
  35. Jedifyfe

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    I think Ross means the Disney Archives NOT the Walt Disney museum. Here it is in the archives:

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    Woah, Jedifyfe, where did you get this picture? Were you there and took this pic yourself?? Thanks for posting!
     
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    No, not mine. Though I would like to see the archives. I found this through google.
     
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    Oh okay. Can you send me the site? I want to see if there is anything else on it regarding the BoS that I can read about. :)
     
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    Just messing around with this -

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    Best,
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    DBCooper, thanks for posting!

    And thanks for the link Jedifyfe!
     
  42. Carrossea

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    Re: National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets - Props Discussion

    Anyone happen to know any other NT2 props other members are making/selling? I'm most interested in purchasing a prop book of Riley Poole's Templar Treasure book. I know some of the original are hero props, and others are a block of wood with a dust jacket cover on them. I am also wondering if anyone ever considered making a replica of Riley's book, but actually have contents in the book.

    Otherwise, a prop replica with the proper dust jacket would be cool too.
     
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  43. Tom1971

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    Don't have anything on the book but,

    Relicmaker was looking at doing a Booth Derringer.

    Hotshot was offering both Olmec planks

    Stephan and MurdocXXL offer a Mt. Vernan map. Turboman offered one as well but I have not seen him here in a while.
     
  44. Tom1971

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    I thought someone had a book cover around here that could be printed off ?????
     
  45. Carrossea

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    Hmm... jameth1971, do you have a link to where Stephan and MurdocXXL discussed their Mt. Vernan map prop? I might be interested in that. I messaged Turboman something a long time ago, but he hasn't replied, so I guess he is not active right now.

    I'll take a look into it (regarding Riley's book). Let me know if you can find a link to the person who had the book cover available to be printed off. Thanks!
     
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    I remember this thread last year. Some very insightful stuff. Was just reading through it and I found it funny how far some of the propmakers have gone since then. There was a discussion on here about how difficult the Booth Diary would be to make, and yet it was accomplished by the talented and skilled Sarednab. And Sarednab's version actually was more accurate to the real Booth Diary than Ross's, according to a representative/member of one of the Booth museum (can't remember the details he gave, but I'm sure it's in one of the threads Sarednab posted about). Such great propmakers on here.

    I would just like to renew this thread temporarily. I'm still interested in getting the Riley Poole Templar Treasure book replica that is made so it will have actual chapters and is readable like a real book. I heard that someone was going to make one and was in the process of it, but never saw a thread about it since. Did I miss out on what happened with that, or is the project still ongoing?
     
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  49. Figure5901

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    I highly recommend Sarednab's Booth Diary. If you are a National Treasure fan this one is a must. After a long search I finally found someone who sold me their Olmec planks. Great pieces that look and feel like real wood. I still have a desire to one day carve my own planks out of real wood. Just another project to add to the list.

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    Here is my copy of Sarednab/Tazvader Book Of Secrets. This is the highlight of my NT collection. The content, the inserts and the aging is about as perfect as you can get.

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    My quest now is for the masonic brick and the ocular glasses. I suppose I need a copy of the Declaration Of Independence, but I'm not sure how to display it. How do you display yours?
     
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    Nice!! Sarednab's BoS replica looks incredible! Just out of curiosity, is that BoS the regular version or the limited version with the pages that are made out of the same material as the original BoS (made by Ross MacDonald)?

    Do you have his Booth's diary as well?

    As for the Declaration of Independence, maybe you can get a frame, or you can put it in a replica of the leather tube from the movie. I think Indy Magnoli and maybe even Sarednab made one. (I'm not sure if Sarednab ended up finishing his, but I remember he had a thread about it).

    Here are my NT2 props. I have one of the original, production-made BoS. Although this is one of my most prized possessions, I still wish I had picked up one of Sarednab's, as his reads more like a "real" book. The original one contains more facsimiles and recreation of real documents. I also have the first BoS made by Taz and Mars, but I'm looking to sell that one now as I need some cash.

    PS: Hey, I just noticed!! You live in Dunwoody, Georgia, Figure5901!! That's so close to me! Cool to know that another fellow collector (member of RPF) and a National Treasure fan lives in the same area. ;)

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    Here's the thread I'm selling the BoS in if anyone is interested:
    http://www.therpf.com/f13/national-treasure-book-secrets-replica-prop-189865/
     
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