Music Today: What happened? (Short Rant)

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  1. Steamboat Spidey

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    So I was in the car the other day, and I had turned the radio on. I had it on scan and all I could hear was more and more rap. I stopped on one station and the words were almost unbelievable (not a fan of rap at all). What kids don't hear as clear as some of us do are the lyrics. All that kids care about is how is sounds, and not the actual lyrics of the song. They dont pay attention to the lyrics at all. They think that it's catchy and good music but it really isn't. What ever happened to good music?!
     
  2. usconcept

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    I listed to Ceceilia's lyrics for the first time today, I always thought it was a great song... but it's not very.. shall we say... endearing?
     
  3. robstyle

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    Lyrics are one of the last things people pay any attention to. Like a 600 pound fat chick at the beach standing next to a fit hottie, who are you going to look at? Same with music, are you going to listen to something that appeals to you or are you going to not like a song for its lyrics? If it doesnt sound good why listen.

    And yes, music anymore is horrid all around. With modern media the youngsters have grown up with its easier to brainwash the consumer to whats "new" and "a must have" as opposed to whats actually good. Its marketing and branding. Look at TV and realize kids know who these pigs are yet cant name the vice president. Were not too far behind Idiocracy.
    Idiocracy - Trailer - YouTube
     
  4. dbuck

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    My parents listened to Elvis and their parents lamented the end of civilization.

    I listened to Van Halen and my parents did the same.

    My daughter listens to civilization ending crap by people I cannot name, and I think almost all rap is a travesty.

    It's an age thing. However, with that perspective just think how much suckage the next generations' music will contain.
     
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  5. cboath

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    I don't know that it's an age thing now.

    There was a time when to make it in music you had to have actual musical talent. Today, not so much. As noted above it's all about marketing and 'who you can sell'. If you're not attractive and you can't dance, you're odds of being signed are substantially lower. Hell, Milli Vanilli couldn't sing, period. They lip synced so someone else's voice, but they were signed, sold, and popular because of their looks and marketing.

    Music would be better off frankly if it still just an audio format. Sadly to sell music, you have to have a visual component. Not sure what since 95% of all my music listening is done in the car or at work where there's absolutely no visual component at all.

    Looks should have nothing to do with it. If you buy a CD or mp3 or whatever because the singer is hot, you're completely missing the point of music.
     
  6. Wes R

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    This is why I am always in shock at those albums of songs sung by kids. The parents are so clueless. Back in the 80s and 90s before things got really bad you rarely heard much in the way of language.
     
  7. Jannix Quinn

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    To update my songs, I just want a computer program that takes old music, and inserts a random black guy rapping in the middle for no reason.
     
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  8. Darth Mawr

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    I'm so proud of my 17 year old daughter. Her favorite music ranges from Frank Sinatra and Elvis through Queen, Journey and Foreigner on to show tunes from Phantom of the Opera, Le Miserable and Wicked. She enjoys some more modern stuff as well but really hates hip hop.
     
  9. Crank729

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    I HATE how all the new songs released by "popular" artists are all about being in da club, getting drunk, falling in love.

    It's all garbage.
     
  10. Michael Bergeron

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    :lol Milli Vanilli actually perfectly illustrates that it's not a "today" thing. They were 20 years ago...

    Since the late 50's image has been a big driving force in the music industry. It's just a fact of life. It's more apparent in some eras than others but it's always there.

    As for what happened to the music? We got old(er).
     
  11. thegreatgalling

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    I agree, but please remember your parents and grandparents felt the same way about your music. :darnkids :lol
     
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  12. Michael Bergeron

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    Hey you! Get off my lawn! :darnkids
     
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  14. familyman

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    Why is there so much swearing in the songs nowadays. The radios can't play the words so they have to edit it and make a radio friendly version. Why don;t they just make the radio freidnly version and be done with it?.\
     
  15. robstyle

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    In regards to talented artists not being picked up by major labels due to age/visuals I can confirm 100%. Some very good friends have some hit songs, were told by a couple major labels the songs were hits, were sought out by some major labels for meetings yet when the band showed up they were almost turned away on sight! They have the sound and energy of a teen/20 something band yet are in their 40's.
    Another was a small group out of VA that had some killer Ricky Nelson style pop tracks yet the singer was an over weight Filipino guy.
    One is a well known band with one of the greatest albums of all time on near every greatest albums of all time lists yet they cant get on a major label.

    The music industry imploded due to becoming stale and overly sterile. The major labels are in bed together so there is no real competition.
     
  16. Wes R

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    I also think that it ties into parents giving kids way too much freedom and way too many rights compared to when we were kids. These days they're afraid to say no because they rather be best friends with the kids than their parents so they let them listen to what they want. I also noticed that a lot of music is based on a formula revolving around whatever is hot at the moment: for a long time most "rock" bands sounded like Nickelback. I saw a popular all 80s station and a classic country station wiped out in order to be turned into rap stations. It's getting to be that in order to find classic rock or oldies you need satellite radio.
    Rap's done way more to hurt music and society than any other music from how it treats women to advocating violence and killing snitches and in another 40 years if society hasn't fallen apart something far worse will probably come along. I'll stick to most everything made before 1992 when grunge and gangsta took the fun out of music.
     
  17. micdavis

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    I was old when I got here. It's so much fun watching each and every one of you post this thread......eventually.

    Send me $5......I'll send you your official old guy card.

    :lol
     
  18. Contec

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    To me, too much of the newer stuff (of any genre) is so over produced and processed, it ends up being the equivalent of musical Cheese Whiz. There are some rare gems out there though.

    I notice a lot of kids digging back into parents' (and grandparents') libraries to find something good. They seem almost desperate to find good music or maybe just something not so negative. It seems a shame (for the most part) they can't get what they want/need in their own era of music.





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  21. Too Much Garlic

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    Nothing happened to music today... you just got too old to appreciate it.
     
  22. robstyle

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    Its nothing to do with getting old, the music industry is in shambles an has been for some years now. Terrible music is terrible music no matter what decade comes into question.
     
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  23. madmax

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    R and B used to mean Rhythm and Blues ,not T and A,i love metal,rock,blues and classical,can't stand the in thing,never got into Rap.
    Music of black origin used to mean Blues,gospel,then it became the forerunner to rock n roll,now it's about,drugs,guns,ho's and money and how many songs you can rip off and swear over.
    My music collection still contains stuff i heard from my parents,Queen,Meatloaf,Yes,the stuff i found on my own in my younger days,Adam and the Ants,Madness,and then the stuff that shaped who i am musically,GUNS AND ROSES,OZZY etc

    There are only 2 rock channels on tv and all the rest is pop and (c)rap and some of the new rock is pop mixed with shouty voices and (c)rap

    Age gets us all ,but at 41 i KNOW im RIGHT...........LOL
     
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  25. steveo

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    I was just thinking this recently. I was out in my backyard and some neighbors girls, who were probably 8-10 years old, had a song cranked that had a catchy tune. But as soon as I started hearing the lyrics, I was like, WTF are they listening to? The song was talking about suicide and other stuff. I was interested to find the song, so I googled some of the lyrics and found it -'I Must Be Emo' by Hollywood Undead. I was amazed that the parents were letting them listen to this song at 8-10 years of age.

    some of the lyrics - "
    Stop my breathing and slit my throat", "They say they already have a *****, they don't need another one", "When I get depressed I cut my wrists in every direction", "Hearing songs about getting dumped give me an erection"

    I don't know, but maybe I'm just old.

     
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  26. familyman

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    I can not understand how people try and justify the state of most music today with "You people are getting old" That is a load of crap. At what age is hearing about cutting wrists ok?.
     
  27. Kormier

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    My view is that the state of the music is a symptom of the present generation where kids want everything handed to them and where they dont keep score at sports so that nobody is a looser and everybody wins for participating. There is a difference between looping a 4 bars music loop constantly for 3 minutes and adding non-sense lyric to it vs. composing a true musical piece that is melodic with an awesome guitar solo....

    I just watched this year's induction ceremony to the R&R Hall of Fame yesterday (was re-aires) and these are great deserving musicians... Even Axel although he refused to show up. =)
     
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  29. Steamboat Spidey

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    I agree.
     
  30. Steamboat Spidey

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    Ahem, Kesha. Is that her name?
     
  31. cboath

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    Goes with what I was saying though - it was when the video portion of music came into being. If it was 10 years prior, it wouldn't have mattered at all if the guys doing the actual singing weren't attractive because short of a concert, you'd never see them.

    Most likely, a guy like Steven Tyler wouldn't be in music if he started up in the last 10ish years.

    You also didn't get acts who's voices are as heavily manipulated digitally as they are today. I've heard stuff on the radio and was just stunned and thinking I could record pretty much anyone's voices and process it enough to get the exact same thing. It started in the early 90's, that you had to be good looking in order to land a gig and it progressively degenerated to the point of you just have to look good to get a deal. If you can't sing, it's not a problem we can fix it in post. There may have been acts in the 60's, 70's, and 80's signed for their looks, but they had to have some musical talent. Perhaps the most obvious example would be the Monkees who were created for the TV show, but I their actual voices were used in the music. They were bothered by the fact they were outed as not actually able to learn to play their instruments so they learned how to do it. Don't think you'll see that happen in today's music. As long as they can lip sync on stage or flick all the right switches on the 10-20M of sound boards on a concert to make a bad voice sound good the person doing the 'singing' will just keep cashing the checks. Plus, i'm sure the studio's have an iron clad contract to keep them from quitting or outing what's going on.

    Rap came on to the scene when I was of the age that it was 'today's hot thing' - i never was into it. Never liked it. It's not an age thing. There is music of today I do like, just not very much. Perhaps i'm just hearing the wrong stuff, but as someone else said, the stuff labeled 'pop' just seems to have no musical ability behind it. Taking someone who can't sing and using 10's of thousands of dollars of computer equipment to make the voice sound good isn't music. It's computer science. Drum tracks should be played on drums, not as computer tracks, etc.

    Elvis may have been an attractive and supremely easy to market in his day because of it, but you can't deny he had actual musical talent. Dancing IS NOT a musical talent, but it almost seems to be a prerequisite if you want to be in pop music today.
     
  32. Michael Bergeron

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    Fair enough, but now we're calling "music today" the last 70 years...

    :lol Yes their actual voices were used but they're an example of a completely manufactured look and sound, regardless if they learned how to play instruments eventually or not. Backstreet boys used their own voices and didn't pretend to play anything. I hate their music but in that regard they have more integrity as a group than the Monkees did.

    Me too, never was into it. But that's a genre, not "music today".

    I certainly can't deny he had talent! But there is PLENTY of genuine talent today, even if I don't like it. Adele, Beyonce, even Bieber (and I hate Bieber but he IS talented). Like everything you have to wade through the *****. My grandmother tried to tell me that movies were so much better in the 40's and 50's. The reason she thinks that is she only remembers the good stuff, memory has a way of filtering out all the garbage and picking out the gems. She said this in the 80's lamenting the films of that decade, you know, like Indy, Ghostbusters, Star Wars, BTTF, Star Trek, and most of the other much loved franchises here.

    Yes, I generally don't like the "music of today" and digital manipulation bugs me, but there was a time when artists considered microphones cheating. Just listen to what you like.
     
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  33. Apollo

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    Word!!!!



     
  34. gunnerk19

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    I only listen to 60's/70's/80's music; everything after 1989 IMHO sucks... :lol
     
  35. Rick Hanson

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    I'm rapidly coming up on a mildly curmudgeonly 40, and I hear stuff on the local college station at least once a month that makes me go buy new music. I still love the 70s and 80s rock I grew up on, but there's plenty of great new stuff out there too. I can guarantee that you won't hear any of it on your corporate cookie-cutter Cumulus or Clear Channel World Domination Network radio stations, though.

    These days it seems one is much better off listening to Pandora or one of the other internet-based music services, with the ability to tailor "stations" to your preference, and also to use their suggestions to find new bands/songs in similar genres you might not know about.

    Oh, and get off my lawn.
     
  36. Bizarro Lois

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    Exactly. There are plenty of good, current artists out there. Stop listening to commercial radio if you want to find them. I'd be more than happy to start naming things I think everyone should listen to.
     
  37. Zombie_61

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    In my opinion, this simple statement sums it up nicely. Let me explain.

    Yes, at the age of 50 I believe I'm too old for most of the "popular" music that has been created in the last 10 years or so. That's because most of the bands creating that music are young enough to be my children. Yes, there's a generation gap but, more to the point, I'm no longer in the demographic the music industry has decided to produce this music for. I don't have the mindset of today's "25 and under" crowd; how could I? They are growing up in a different era with different experinces than I had at that age. So I realize "modern" music isn't being made for me, and hasn't been for several years now.

    Of course, I can only speak for myself. Certainly there are people my age who have an appreciation for all types of music from all eras; I know two or three of them. And I have an appreciation for a lot of music that was written before I was born. But 99.9% of what was created after, say, the late 90s I have no interest in, and I'm fine with that. Let the "kids" have their music just as we did, I'm fine listening to "the oldies".
     
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  38. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    People don't listen to lyrics, period. Remember in the 80's when even kids were running around with "Frankie says Relax" t-shirts because people didn't get the song? I was too young to know what it meant, other than hearing the song on MTV. I was watching a VH1 thing recently about best songs ever or something and they explained it (hadn't heard it for a looong time) and I was like "WTF? Kids were wearing those shirts!" :lol

    Don't get me started on Kesha, who sounds like she's out of tune...
     
  39. crabra comander

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    I appreciate hip-hop, some rock, a very small amount of country.
    I do pay attention to the lyrics and alot of times the same ideas are being recycled by the same artist! As long as it sounds good I'm happy.
    Hearing crappy lyrics give's me something to laugh at and dance around like a fool in the car.
     
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    Ke$ha, god you're old. :darnkids
     
  45. Galactifan

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    As far as music goes, I'm still living in the 80's.
     
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  47. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    I do like old school Rap and I do like Cypress Hill for some reason (voice maybe?).

    BTW, every time I hear Ke$ha I imagine dogs start howling along with it. :lol
     
  48. crabra comander

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    Now some old school rap, gangster rap, some newish hip-hop like Roots, Mos Def, Nas ; they usually have some good songs with lyrics that tell a story or have clever metaphors instead of just flat out talking about their chains, dripping paint, going hard in the paint etc...
     
  49. steveo

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    Right there with you.

    As far as Ke$ha goes, I used to like her stuff until I started listening to the lyrics. Not that they're bad or anything, but she sounds stuck up and above everyone else, even the way she delivers the lines in sickening to me.
     
  50. Rotwang

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    I know next to nothing about the mechanics of music, but I once heard that a lot of music today is based on the style similar to the ones popularized by James Brown and used by the Beatles in an alternative take of Sgt Pepper's. Singers also follow this pattern. It was claimed that this kind of music is counter-intuitive to the ear and is the reason why so much music today sounds like male bovine defecation, especially to the :darnkids generation.
     

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