MR FALCON figure size needed

[propcollector]

Hi I am wanting to know what the size of figure would fit in the MR falcon I am wanting to put a Han Solo and Chewy In my MR Falcon

thanks


Mark

 

[jcoffman99]

I was wondering about this myself. I don't have my Falcon yet, but was thinking if there was a way to open the cockpit. Anybody try yet?

 

[temponaut]

I'm curious about this, too.

My Falcon arrived just a couple of days ago, immediately before we left on a short holiday. I haven't had time to crack the box yet.

 

[Dymerski]

1/35

 

[temponaut]

Good to know.

Thanks, Dean. :thumbsup

 

[propcollector]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(temponaut @ Dec 30 2006, 09:12 AM) [snapback]1386995[/snapback]</div>

Good to know.

Thanks, Dean. :thumbsup
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Hey dean can you put up pics of the figures in your falcon?

 

[propcollector]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(temponaut @ Dec 30 2006, 09:12 AM) [snapback]1386995[/snapback]

Good to know.

Thanks, Dean. :thumbsup
[/b]

Hey dean can you put up pics of the figures in your falcon?
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Ok if then chewy is 7 foot 3 inches that would convert to 2.48 inches
and han solo is 6 foot 1 inches that would convert to 2.08 inches at the 1/35 scale

 

[TK-326]

What is the full scale reference piece from which the 1/35 is derived?

 

[propcollector]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-326 @ Dec 30 2006, 06:33 PM) [snapback]1387193[/snapback]</div>

What is the full scale reference piece from which the 1/35 is derived?
[/b]

The MR falcon is a 1/35 scale also

 

[TK-326]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-326 @ Dec 30 2006, 06:33 PM) [snapback]1387193[/snapback]

What is the full scale reference piece from which the 1/35 is derived?
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The MR falcon is a 1/35 scale also
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What I meant was, if the MR Falcon is 1/35 scale, what is it 1/35th of? What was the full-scale version that would have been 1/1? Was it based on a set piece like at Elstree, or some other prop? Just curious.

 

[Treadwell]

1/35 of how big it would be in "real life". A common point of reference in modeling. Granted, usually the model is of a vehicle that actually exists in real life.

 

[TK-326]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Treadwell @ Dec 30 2006, 10:32 PM) [snapback]1387530[/snapback]</div>

1/35 of how big it would be in "real life". A common point of reference in modeling. Granted, usually the model is of a vehicle that actually exists in real life.
[/b]

Heh,

Trust me, I do understand the construct "1/x" as describing something as a scaled size relative to a larger, full-scale version.

My question still stands: what "real life" instance of the Falcon are they scaling from? I've done quite a bit of research on the full-size sets, both interior and exterior, and there is little coordination between the two. For instance, the interior set of the cockpit is way larger than the dimensions of the separate exterior set part of the cockpit. In other words, if the MR is scaled from an Elstree exterior set, then a "real life" Han Solo scaled to the same ratio will be too large to fit inside.

Am I making any sense here?

My ultimate goal is to find an accurate reference for scaling back up to 100% that works for both interior and exterior so I can make sure my full-scale construction efforts will work properly. I gotta be able to fit in my Falcon.

For those interested, I was able to resurrect Robert Brown's "Ship of Riddles" site using the web archive wayback machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010330140327/...w/mf/falcon.htm

That's where I first encountered the problem that existed between interior and exterior scales. This has been an tremendously helpful source of information for my full-scale building endeavours...

 

[PHArchivist]

For the original thread starter, I was gona say, "Who give's a sh.t about scale -- just find figures that fit the seats."

And for TK-326 I was going to say the same thing, but I see your motivation if you're building something in 1:1, "real life" scale.

Either way, as Treadwell noted, it's a fictional ship, so pinning down consistent, accurate scales will be quite difficult at best.

See a post I made in a related thread over in the General Modeling forum:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PHArchivist @ Jan 3 2007, 11:44 PM) [snapback]1389925[/snapback]</div>

You could wrap your brain around fictional starship scales all you want, and they will still fudge and flex.

I bet dollars to donuts that if you could somehow use a constant standard as a tool of measure, even the studio models compared to each other (and compared to the full sized studio set pieces) probably vary in scale and porportion.

In other words, say for example the 5' ILM model is exactly twice the size as the 32" ILM model. I'd bet that if you took the little Han figure used in the ILM 32" model and increased it by the exact percentage (twice), it probably would not be properly scaled or porportioned for the bigger model.

Same thing for the full-sized set pieces. Say the full sized piece is 35 times as long or wide as the 32" model. If you could blow that model up by 35 times its size, would everything match up? Or if you could increase the size of the 32" model by the exact percentage necessary for the Han or Chewie figures to match the real actors, would the model then match the size and porportions of the full sized ESB set piece? Proably not...

And assuming I'm correct (that the various sizes of ILM/Lucasfilm models do not match entirely proper in terms of scale and porportion), then what actually defines the true scale of the ship? The full sized ESB set piece? The original 5' model? The newer, better 32" model?

So in the end, my question is this: Regarding scale of a fictional ship, who really cares?

Forget scale...

Just get a model sized such that it suits your personal needs and desires.
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[TK-326]

Excellent points, PHArchivist, echoing my sentiments precisely.

Since there never really even was a complete exterior Falcon set built - they were only 1/2 to 2/3 of the whole ship, and at a reduced scale, likely 70-80% - I guess I can set my own standards as to final size.

Thanks for the input.

Expect many more inquiries as I proceed with this insane project.

 

[Treadwell]

Sorry for the needlessly dumbed down answer, TK.

As you observed, nailing the "real" size of the Falcon is really dicey and there isn't one answer. I think there is a measurement that LFL Licensing has officially used in recent years, but I think it has been pointed out to be unfeasibly small.

The Riddles site made a good case for upscaling the "fullsize" ESB prop a certain percent to get all the interior sets to fit inside (with a couple of remaining mismatches, like the slope of the cockpit corridor and the location of the gunwell ladders). I forget what that percent was but it was not insignificant.

 

[PHArchivist]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-326 @ Jan 4 2007, 02:38 AM) [snapback]1390032[/snapback]</div>

Excellent points, PHArchivist, echoing my sentiments precisely.

[/b]

Thanks -- and welcome, by the way. Am curious about your project, but rather than pry, I will wait patiently.

 

[eFXBarry]

I believe the set piece built for ANH was was constructed at full size (FS) i.e. the cockpit diameter matched the FS interior set. The external Falcon set however had the correct number of window struts in the front window, whereas the FS set interior did not.

On ESB the full Falcon was built 8/10ths FS. The cockpit diameter was smaller as you can see when Chewbacca is shoehorned into it while Han does his jerry-rigging welding. Other things are a giveaway too like the narrower entrance ramp and the lower height of the docking rings.

As to the exact scale of the bird? Who knows for sure. A 1/35th scale figure fits into the cockpit and model makers love to work to a scale so it's a good guess that the 32" Falcon is 1/35th.

Barry

 

[TK-326]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Treadwell @ Jan 3 2007, 09:10 PM) [snapback]1390051[/snapback]</div>

Sorry for the needlessly dumbed down answer, TK. [/b]

Not a problem.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Treadwell @ Jan 3 2007, 09:10 PM) [snapback]1390051[/snapback]</div>

The Riddles site made a good case for upscaling the "fullsize" ESB prop a certain percent to get all the interior sets to fit inside (with a couple of remaining mismatches, like the slope of the cockpit corridor and the location of the gunwell ladders). I forget what that percent was but it was not insignificant.
[/b]

Yeah - 40% upscaling from the Elstree set. Friggin huge.

Here is what I am using as my base reference for scaling my 1:1 work:

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Data:           Saucer-Diam:    Length:         Height:     +%:
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Elstree Set     19m/62'         24.3m/80'       4.9m/16'    datum
WEG Source      20.5m/67'       26.7m/87.6'     5.2m/17'    + 7  %
LASE            24m/78.8'       30m/102'        6.27m/20.4' +27.5%
My 1st Calc     24.5m/80'       32m/104'        6.3m/20.6'  +29  %
1982 Plans      26.2m/87.4'     36.9m/122.9'    8.85m/29.5' +52  % 
XWvsTIE                         37m/120.25'                 +53 %
1:100 Model-Kit 35m/116'        46.5m/152'      8.97m/29.4' +84  %
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Final Calc      27m/89'         34.8m/114'      6.9m/22.4'  +40  %      
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If we can find where the MR Falcon fits into this table, then maybe I can get some of you MR builders to give me some cruicial measurements so I can get my basic plans together... just a thought. Yeah, I know I could buy my own MR Falcon but I just spent over a grand on a MIG welder for my 1:1 project.

 

[TK-326]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-326 @ Jan 4 2007, 02:38 AM) [snapback]1390032[/snapback]

Excellent points, PHArchivist, echoing my sentiments precisely.

[/b]

Thanks -- and welcome, by the way. Am curious about your project, but rather than pry, I will wait patiently.
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Pry away. It's as crazy as you probably are thinking it is...

At this point I am drawing up plans for a 1:1 scale Falcon with complete, correctly scaled interior. Welded steel pipe frame with marine plywood exterior skin, weatherproofed. I own a secluded 88 acre tract of wooded land where I'll be building. A goal is to have the interior complete enough to be habitable as in a sort of guest house thing. You know, "hey come on over, you can stay in the Falcon..." I ultimately plan to build my dream house on this property, but that's a ways off. I'm starting with a smaller dwelling that will end up being the pool house or another guest house. I'm rambling, but you get the idea.

First two projects will be the radar dish assembly and the navicomputer console. Already have a 10.5' aluminum c-band satellite dish as a framework for the radar dish.

For parts fabrication (full scale greeblies, etc.) I'm currently building a 4'x8' CNC router table and a 2'x4' heavy duty vacuum-form machine.

Yes I have completely lost my mind, just like my friends say. Except for my Star Wars fan friends, who say "cool, can I help?".

 

[MonsieurTox]

In the real FM 32", Han is 1/48 or 1/43, dont remember, but not 1/35.