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Re: mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

Made some progress the last 2 days.

I decided to save the near pristine 3-cell for an ANH,

This ESB one has to look like it went through Dagobah and fell down a hole in Cloud City! I'm slightly disappointed at how good a condition the other one is in. Didn't it get the used future memo!?

Grips

First up, I got a £3 mitre box and clamped a solid object as a "stop" with the cut line coming at 92mm from the stop. This means accurate cuts from only measuring once. No markings needed, just chuck it in and cut.







A new day, with a much better mini tenon saw (known as a razor saw)



The dremelling of the grips was a tense moment, so no photographs lol. I actually ruined 2 grips, so I took it easy and finished them with a jewellery file. Bit of furniture polish and it looked good.



This is what I ended up with (note the slightly battered clamp with a small rust outbreak - this is just from the garden!)



After looking at some pics, including our favourite wampa cave close up, I saw that the grips were misaligned with the clamp, and the d-ring kobold clip was in line with the clamp.

Screws

I notice a lot of people use unpainted screws, but to me, they look black (with a bit of paint scratched off). I tried to put together some images to see what you think. Apologies if this is already common knowledge!




Silvery screws would just be too damn reflective to miss in these pics. I also notice what looks like a small black screw in the place of the original graflex screw (through the clamp, to the top half). Does anybody know what kind of screw this is? Might have to hunt some small machine screws.


Unfortunately I broke 2 2.5mm drillbits, so have to wait for some better ones before I can commence my own screwing. I did manage to get 2 in place though, and I scratched a bit of paint off and am quite pleased with the effect. Very subtle weathering just to make the whole thing scream "real/used" and not "licensed product!"




Here is where I am at currently. Will finish the screws tomorrow.



A nice and dirty Graflex!

The beer tab is staying on for the time being, until nearer TFA. If the rest of the saber is the same for the new film, I'll put back the glass eye and carry it as a TFA saber for the hype. Afterwards its getting the chop!

Tips

If anyone is about to do their own, I'll try to add to the great advice already on the forum
- Grips + epoxy can be slippery, I had to do 2 at a time (so 3 batches of epoxy) to be sure I got it all right
- Visible epoxy under grips - I went under the grips with a very long brushed felt tip (sharpie type thing that was super pointy) and managed to colour the crystal looking epoxy excess black. It is now invisible!
- Hitting your grips with cutlery and scratching down the top ridge gives a satisfying knocked-about appearance.


Hopefully I'll get it 100% finished in the next few days and get some nice pics up. Next up will be ANH! (although I have to acquire a graflex red button first)
 
Re: mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

I'm still looking for those interior screws...I haven't forgotten about you!
Your saber looks excellent. I too noticed the grip closest to the clamp is also not perfectly aligned with it, and thus, the grip is also not aligned with the Kobold clip. That is a very good eye.
I also like your painted screws idea. I may need to revisit my own Luke ESB soon.
Keep up the good work.
 
Re: mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

This is one of the cleanest (and dirtiest) ESB builds I've seen, wonderful job! nice eye locating that screw in the clamp. I bet they found one and a nut to rest inside to replace the original screw there.

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Do you have a copy of that bespin R2 shot of the saber?
 
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i am loving this build, the grips came out amazing! i really like the black screws as well, i think thats what I'm going to go with. what camera are you using to take the pictures? they are so clear! i love the little weathering attention you gave the kobold dring as well! keep up the great work!
 
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Hey, thanks. Weathering is my favourite part, and is also what I like a lot about the stuff in Star Wars. I'm just using an 1100d, but I use an ultrasonic telephoto lens (ef 70-300mm) for some pics, as it is a much better lens and takes a lot better pics than the normal lens that came with the camera. The downside is I have to take the picture from about 20 feet away haha
 
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I've got a question for the knowledgeable around here - my ESB saber has the 2 red buttons that are from the folmer graflex (with patent) onward. The non patent folmers have the different button style. What sabers was this earlier button style used on? I haven't found it in any pics I've looked at so far.


Also how do I remove epoxy? :lol I'm only kidding of course.. but if anything comes out of this new t-track revelation from reddit, I might have to switch tracks!
 
Re: mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

I've got a question for the knowledgeable around here - my ESB saber has the 2 red buttons that are from the folmer graflex (with patent) onward. The non patent folmers have the different button style. What sabers was this earlier button style used on? I haven't found it in any pics I've looked at so far.


Also how do I remove epoxy? :lol I'm only kidding of course.. but if anything comes out of this new t-track revelation from reddit, I might have to switch tracks!

None of the screen used saber's used that older style button...except one particular ESB stunt saber.

Im interested in the answer to the epoxy query myself...
 
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We could probably just use leverage and pry the grips off, it would either take the plating with it or leave some epoxy. Epoxy could be ground down, exposed brass wouldn't be a problem as long as it is covered by new epoxy. Gonna enjoy my "finished" esb for a few weeks before deciding though lol
 
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Just keep in mind Roger Christian is talking about ANH, which was prepped in 1976 and eventhough the T-strips, as he recalls were on a roll and thus most likely rubbery, ... by the time ESB was made in 1979/80 they could have switched to the use plastic T-tracks, which were replicated from the original stuff ... since Roger also mentioned in a later comment : 'I've got one (G R A F L E X) in my hand now. I'm making some (new lightsabers), exactly as I made my originals - I've had the T-strip made EXACTLY as I put on the first one, and i've had bubble strips made identically to the ones that i used. I'm making a few of those. I don't know what I will do with them.' So if he's still able able to recreate and replicate those exact T-strips now, he most certainly could when they ran out of stock back in 1979/80 ... now whether those ESB were rubbery or plastic still remains to be seen ... though GINO watched some first hand and is adament to claim they were plastic ... and I don't see why I should not trust his excruciating observations :)

Chaim
 
Re: mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

We could probably just use leverage and pry the grips off, it would either take the plating with it or leave some epoxy. Epoxy could be ground down, exposed brass wouldn't be a problem as long as it is covered by new epoxy. Gonna enjoy my "finished" esb for a few weeks before deciding though lol

I had to pull up grips on my ANH Luke which was done with super glue. I took dental floss soaked in nail polish remover and worked it under the grips and flossed my way through the glue. Not sure what chemical breaks down epoxy (if any) but though laborious, it was an effective non- damaging technique.
 
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Sounds interesting, some kind of mildly abrasive wire might do it for epoxy. But I'm gonna think like sym-cha here and just leave the ESB unmolested :D



edit: extreme cold pops the epoxy straight off (although I didn't do it in the end)
 
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Re: mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

I've been told that heat is what breaks up epoxy!
 
mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

Just keep in mind Roger Christian is talking about ANH, which was prepped in 1976 and eventhough the T-strips, as he recalls were on a roll and thus most likely rubbery, ... by the time ESB was made in 1979/80 they could have switched to the use plastic T-tracks, which were replicated from the original stuff ... since Roger also mentioned in a later comment : 'I've got one (G R A F L E X) in my hand now. I'm making some (new lightsabers), exactly as I made my originals - I've had the T-strip made EXACTLY as I put on the first one, and i've had bubble strips made identically to the ones that i used. I'm making a few of those. I don't know what I will do with them.' So if he's still able able to recreate and replicate those exact T-strips now, he most certainly could when they ran out of stock back in 1979/80 ... now whether those ESB were rubbery or plastic still remains to be seen ... though GINO watched some first hand and is adament to claim they were plastic ... and I don't see why I should not trust his excruciating observations :)

Chaim

So, maybe a Luke ANH (and E-11 blaster) should get rubber T-tracks and a Luke ESB should get hard plastic tracks :)
I happen to have both available!

So I agree on the switch from rubber to plastic. Maybe casted resin, which explains the broken T-tracks (I forgot on which version) and the softened & shortened ribs on two tracks in the Wampa-cave scene.
 
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I think I'll go with rubber on my ANH (luckily I'm yet to start, been waiting for a red graflex button). It would just feel like I'd get more nerd points now that Roger has said rubber. I'll keep the plastic on ESB cus it looks great with a bit of weathering, and funny business with casting etc probably could have happened by ESB.

Roy, I'm way more excited than a normal person should be about the ESB connector in gold/silver, enjoy your holiday with that in mind haha.
 
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So, maybe a Luke ANH (and E-11 blaster) should get rubber T-tracks and a Luke ESB should get hard plastic tracks :)
I happen to have both available!

So I agree on the switch from rubber to plastic. Maybe casted resin, which explains the broken T-tracks (I forgot on which version) and the softened & shortened ribs on two tracks in the Wampa-cave scene.

I was thinking about this today - sticking the track in the holes of an E-11 would only make sense if they were flexible. Quick and dirty means they would have just glued them on if they were hard.

and I've always believed tracks were cast during production - exactly for the reasons you mentioned: the wampa cave, broken tracks on the ESB vader hero and the ESB luke hero
 
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Got a quick reference request, can't find it myself at the mo. I'm looking for any screen caps or behind the scenes pics of the removed beer tab in ESB. Just popped mine off and pushed through the little brass remainder, but seeing a little dark hole now makes it feel like something is missing. I'm 99.9% sure the screen used would have also been like this, just after a good pic to prove it to myself (I only have shots from the other side unfortunately). Anyone seen this before? Apologies for the lack of pics, I'm moving house in the next couple of weeks and have been too busy :thumbsdown
 
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Hello!!

Sorry for the long pause. I moved to Japan over the summer (one of my first thoughts was it'd be easier to find an MGC now... priorities haha) and didn't have a moment to photograph the sabre. I finished it a while ago, and am in the stage of eternal tweaks.

Have some pictures


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Managed to get an original circuit board from @parfaitelumiere. It is so nice in real life, such a nice texture and lustre on the gold. With the authentic scratches of time as well, feels very nice.

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The reference I used for rounded gold fingers is this, although it could also be square. It is a white/gold blue/black dress to me:


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The clearest pic I could find! I'm sure square edged would have been used on other sabres, but it felt like taking a punt on the rounded edges. I can actually see how they might be squared in this pic too, so am still looking for a squared finger board to have both bases covered.



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In the above pic you can see I've added a small black screw to the clamp. This is what it looks like on pics, but they're too damn blurry to make out the type of screw. I used a cheese head machine screw and a little bolt on the inside. It was a pain to find, eventually got some dead stock on ebay (yay vintage parts! haha) I can't remember the screw size. I'll find out a little later on when I have time to disassemble and measure.



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For the t-tracks, I did the stone wash thing but most of it came off via handling. I used some Tamiya weathering master kits.



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http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/87080weathering/

It is like make-up, but for boys. Very useful stuff for weathering and making miscellaneous grimy patches, dulling shine, accumulating gunk in nooks and crannies etc. It is like a waxy foundation powder.


I used set A and D. The black part of set D was very good for natural grimey smudges.



Left to do:

Get a real kobold clip!
Find a closer match to the mysterious black retaining screw that replaces the original silver graflex clamp screw - marked as "small black screw" in the pic below. (The graflex screw painted black still looks a bit big)

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Re: mortifactor's first prop build - Graflex ESB

I never get tired of seeing Graflex sabers, especially the ESB(my fav)!

oh, and if you get a good line on some MGCs.....;) :lol
 
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