MG15 Sandtrooper Heavy Rifle -- pics and info updated

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by Lordsandy, Jan 6, 2003.

  1. Lordsandy

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    This prop has now become my favorite in my collection.
    This real Mg15 has the real British sniper N0.32 MKII and British infrared snooperscope on it as can be seen on the POSW site.

    The scopes are not mounted and I have not even had a chance to clean up the MG15, but I couldnt wait any longer to post a few pics :)

    I have been told there is also a Singlepoint scope on it which I have, but I have never seen it on any pics I have looked at before. Please, if you have any comments or photos to post on the location of items or things I need to complete this blaster please do so.........would love to hear any comments from Cliff or Chris on this also.

    The sniper scope needs to be moved forward but it wouldnt stay in place at the correct location for these pictures. The last two pics are with my Sterling to give you an idea of its size.
    Thanks foor looking.
    Lordsandy

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  2. Art Andrews

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    lordsandy, here are some pics, I believe, verifying the singlepoint scope in question. You can get a general idea about its placment as well as the placement of the snooperscope.

    I believe the circle the yellow arrow in my pic points to is the back of the singlepoint scope.

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    No singlepoint in this pic. Just the Enfield No 32 and the snooperscope.

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    Here you see the snooperscope then the trooper rolls his wrist and you can see the singlepoint scope mounted on the far side and closer to the rear of the receiver.

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  3. Lordsandy

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    Yep, I see it!

    Great pics!

    Thank you so much for posting them.

    What do you think they did with the end of the wire from the scope???

    Lordsandy
     
  4. Art Andrews

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    What do you think they did with the end of the wire from the scope???
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    Well, I am no expert on these things and the pics aren't very clear but if you look at the second pic, it appears to me that they stuck the tip of the cable back into the very frontmost part of the slot for the charging handle. I could be wrong, but that is what it looks like to me. What do you think?

    EDIT: I suppose it is possible that they drilled a hole in the receiver. Either way, in several of the pics it looks like the little tip on the cable does go back into the gun body to me.
     
  5. TK626

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    Man, am I jealous. I've got a real MG34 and an E-11, but I'm afraid this one is out of my league. Brak's, are all of these pictures from the reference CD, or are there any new ones I should be saving? [​IMG]

    Also, on the picture with the yellow arrow, the trooper appears to have a belt pouch different from any of the longer ones I've seen. Has it ever been discussed or identified? It would be nice to have, since MP40 style pouches don't work so well for easy access to car keys, money, etc. when trooping.

    Nick
     
  6. Art Andrews

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    Those do come from the Ref CD although they have been cropped or sharpened/brightened to emphasize the particular pieces I was trying to show. Never hurts to save them so you don't have to scour the CD looking for the original pics they came from.

    I have come to discover there are a number of different pouches, many of which I have not seen discussed. I have seen at least 3 non-MP40 pouches on different sandtroopers, always located on their hips. I have tried to trace some of them out and although I have found similar items I have never been able to definitively ID any of them. To me, the pouch in the pic above (with the yellow arrow) looks most like a WWII German leather medical pouch which can be readily found on eBay. The dimension sof the medical pouch are approx 6.5" X 4" Here is a pic of the pouch in question:

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    There is also an older (perhaps WWI) ammo pouch that I believe has loops inside it to hold individual rounds of ammunition that has the same basic configuration.

    Brak's, are all of these pictures from the reference CD, or are there any new ones I should be saving?

    Also, on the picture with the yellow arrow, the trooper appears to have a belt pouch different from any of the longer ones I've seen. Has it ever been discussed or identified?
     
  7. Lordsandy

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    Brak's Buddy,

    The B&W photo appears to have the cord running into the slot and the end of the snooperscope does not appear to be brass.

    The color pic appears to have the cord running up higher into the receiver and you can clearly see the brass on the end of the scope.

    Are these pics of the same Trooper?? Almost seems they were two MG15, maybe more???

    Also the correct N0.32 MKII scope has a brass section on the very end of the scope an inch or so long.

    Cheers,
    Lordsandy
     
  8. Art Andrews

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    There are definitely two MG-15s... Let me take a look at my pics to see if I can find any with more than two.

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  9. Art Andrews

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    Well, I thought I might have found a third but I am pretty sure that is an MG-34...

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  10. Lordsandy

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    Brak's Buddy,

    Thanks for pointing out the obvious........funny I never noticed that other one before standing up!

    I am suprised they were able to get two of the British Snooperscopes as I have been told they are and were extremely rare.......unless one is a resin cast??

    Lordsandy
     
  11. Art Andrews

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    Sorry Lordsandy, pointing out the obvious is about all I am good at.. [​IMG]

    K, I have looked through my pics and I never see more than two MG15s.

    As far as the rarity of the scopes, I have noticed that the sandtroopers specifically seem to have a number of parts that were incredibly rare/hard to find... Guess the scope is just another to add to the list. Both MG15s definitely had the scope though, although it is possible that one is a cast.
     
  12. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    Where'd you find a complete MG-15?
     
  13. Art Andrews

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    You can get them at IMA. http://www.ima-usa.com/p1d.html Look down at the bottom at "Air Cooled" ...$890 and that does NOT include the THREE very hard to find and VERY expsensive (way more expensive than the gun itself, combined) scopes...
     
  14. TK818

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    The Single Point goes on the left side of the blaster (The side opposite of the cocking lever).
    The scope rings are the football style rings (same as on the DH-17) with the thumb screws pointing up.

    [​IMG]

    BTW, the cocking lever is removed from the MG-15's in ANH.
    MG-15 Photo from Cliff (Hope you don't mind!)

    EDIT: I overwrote the first pic I posted with a new one showing the Snooper Scope scale and position better.
    The Snooper Scope hose is stuck in a hole drilled into the MG-15 body.
    From my referance I can see that the back of the blaster in ANH (From the ammo drum back) is a solid resin casting.
     
  15. Art Andrews

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    TK818, can't see a lever in any of the pics but it is very dark. Can you tell me where that info came from? Also can you tel me where the specific info on the scope rings came from?
     
  16. gavidoc

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    That scope with no brass tip looks like it could be a resin cast scope IMO.

    Notice how it doesn't have a sheed like the blued steel of the front scope.

    I'm assuming the monster scope is also blued steel.

    If it was real, it should have a sheen to it.

    Could it be that

    MG15 #1 has a real receiver, real monster scope, real or cast singlepoint scope and either a real front scope or resin cast scope

    MG15 #2 has a cast reciever, cast monster scope, real front scope and cast singlepoint or real singlepoint
     
  17. TK818

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    "Can you tell me where that info came from?"

    Living in the SF Bay Area I know a few people who worked at LFL.
    I've seen pics from the LFL archive photo library of the MG15.
    It's frustrating but the pics can't be posted without getting several people in trouble with LFL.
    All I can do is describe what I know using public images for illustration.
     
  18. TK818

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    The LFL pic I've seen has a resin receiver and all the scopes are real but the snooper scope is painted flat black.
     
  19. Lordsandy

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    Richard,

    Can you tell from your pictures how the Snooper scope is attached?

    It also apears that the MKII scope mount bracket back is some how installed in the rear sight mount???

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Lordsandy
     
  20. lonepigeon

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    #2 has a real singlepoint for sure (though I would've numbered them the other way-I'd call this #1).
    I'm pretty sure this is also the one currently in a private collector's hands. It's currently missing the front barrel/receiver, front scope, and singlepoint.

    To update:

    MG15 #1 has a real receiver, real monster scope, real or cast singlepoint scope and either a real front scope or resin cast scope

    MG15 #2 has a cast reciever, real monster scope, real front scope and real singlepoint

    Both probably have real singlepoints since there was certainly no shortage of them in ANH.
     
  21. Art Andrews

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    I'm pretty sure this is also the one currently in a private collector's hands. It's currently missing the front barrel/receiver...
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    Chris, I am not entirely sure I understand what you are saying here. Is the entire front of the gun missing or do you just mean the barrel is missing but the shroud is still there?
     
  22. lonepigeon

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    The entire front of the gun is missing.
     
  23. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    Brak's Buddy wrote:
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    You can get them at IMA. http://www.ima-usa.com/p1d.html Look down at the bottom at "Air Cooled" ...$890 and that does NOT include the THREE very hard to find and VERY expsensive (way more expensive than the gun itself, combined) scopes...
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    Thanks, I'll cross it off my list. [​IMG]
     
  24. Lordsandy

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    Jason....[​IMG]



    Chris,

    Just curious....what do you see that makes you think that

    both Snooperscopes are real??



    The No.32 scope in my photo is the incorrect MKIII.

    CW scope on asap is a MKII but does not have the brass front.

    I am leaning towards the front scope being a MKI.

    The only noticable diference between the MKI and MKII is the

    MKI has a slideable eye piece on it. In a few pics I have seen

    of the movie prop the eye piece seems to be a different

    material just like the MKI.....what does everyone else think???

    Lordsandy
     
  25. Lordsandy

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    Brak's,

    I think thats a MKII.

    Does anybody have the book "The British Sniper" it has some comparison pics of the three scopes together.....cool book.

    Lordsandy
     
  26. Lordsandy

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    Hmmmmmm,

    Nope, thats not the book.

    In my book it says the only thing different from the MKI and MKII is that the MKI had a moving sun shade on the bell end.

    In the pic it looked brass also......oh well.....cant believe everything you read I guess....[​IMG]

    LS
     
  27. lonepigeon

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    LordSandy-
    "Chris,
    Just curious....what do you see that makes you think that
    both Snooperscopes are real?? "

    I was just repeating Gav's summary from further up the thread which combined info from TK818.

    I believe it's correct though. Bapty was (is?) the largest movie armoury in the UK. It's not hard to believe they had two scopes. Their casting skills weren't the greatest either- think of how bad the Merr Sonns look. Besides that I don't see them wasting the time to replicate the snooperscope cable etc.
    I'm hesistant to believe that one of the MG-15's has a cast receiver, but I have nothing to dispute that yet.
     
  28. TK818

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    Ok, from what I can tell the Snooper Scope is held in place with two metal straps that attach to a mounting plate that is screwed onto the
    top of the receiver behind the ammo drum.

    The British Sniper Scope is mounted on a bent rod attached to a metal bar stuck into the anti aircraft sight mount.
    The bent rod probably attaches to the scope rings.
    It looks like the mount that comes with the scope isn't attached to anything, it just rests against the barrel.

    The Single Point has two scope rings but only the front ring is mounted to a plate attached on the side of the gun.
    The rear ring is free floating (I'd give it a mounting plate though).

    Hope this helps:

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  29. TK818

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    "I'm hesistant to believe that one of the MG-15's has a cast receiver"

    From the shots I've seen it's absolutely cast (and not a very good one).
    All the detail is rounded off and the trigger is missing or more likely cleyed over like the DH17's.
    They did paint the pistol grip brown though : )

    BTW, I've seen another shot of an MG-34 that has a WOOD receiver!
    The barrel is real but the entire back of the gun is a badly carved chunk of wood.
     
  30. lonepigeon

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    Wood receiver? really weird.
    Which MG-34 was that? the one with or without the bipod?

    These oddball guns might be what they hauled out to Tunisia. Strict firearm regulations could be to blame.
    There's also the oddball Sterling with the resin back half.
     
  31. Lordsandy

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    Great information Richard.......thank you!

    Do you think they could have cut and modified the original sight and bent it up to support the scope??

    The real sights were held in place by a pin.

    Jim S.
     
  32. TK818

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    Do you have a shot of the original site?
    The post holding the bent rod is being held on with a pin.
    It does look like part of the original MG 15 because it's well made and the bent rod has a sleeve of thicker metal where it attaches to the
    rod.

    Chris, yes, I think most of the pics were from the Tunisia shoot.
    There are also Gaffi Sticks and the Luke Farm boy Riffle, all the heavy blasters seen in Tunisia but no DH-17's (to my eternal frustration).

    "Which MG-34 was that? the one with or without the bipod?"

    It has the bipod and it has the grip material on the barrel.
    There's another MG34 in the collection of pics with no modifications at all.
    It has the Bakalite shoulder stock with the metal corners and the sling is still attached.
    There is also the Lewis Gun but no modifications have been done to it.
     
  33. TK818

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    Nope, I'll post a sketch of what it looks like.

    EDIT: It looks like this:

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  34. Lordsandy

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    TK818,

    Thanks for the illustration.

    So just to confirm the real scope bracket does nothing....right?



    Braks Buddy,

    Could you post a pic of the front sight?? Maybe its made from that one?



    Lordsandy
     
  35. Art Andrews

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    ARGH!!! I can't find ANYTHING that looks like what TK818 posted. I have two guesses but both are pretty reaching...

    1. A large spider sight was chopped up and the outside esges of the ring were bent to make the new scope mount.

    2. The circular part with the crosshairs of a spider site is generally bolted/rivetted to an actual mount that sticks in the gun. Perhaps the circular part was removed and new material was added to the remaining mount.

    TK818, let me go a step beyond Lorsandy's question because I am not 100% clear. The priginal sscope mount is fully intact and still attache dto the scope but just kinda hangs off the side, right?
     
  36. Lordsandy

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    Brak's Buddy,

    I was thinking your #1 would be the correct answer but if not then I would think your #2 would be correct......got all that? [​IMG]

    I will post some pics of what I think the British No.32 scope is and maybe TK818 can confirm or reject it based on his pictures.

    I do think the real mount is there......its just not doing anything!

    This has been great....thanks for all the input on this topic!


    Lordsandy
     
  37. Lordsandy

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    Top to bottom, MKI, MKII and MKIII

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  38. Trooper TK409

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    Here are the measurements of the MG-15 in case anyone's interested (thanks Cliff!)

    Also, Lordsandy, would you be able to take a couple close up photos for us hardware blaster builders? Specifically in these areas:

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    Thanks a lot!
    - ChrisB.
     
  39. Lordsandy

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    Chris,

    Sure can......you want a pic of the muzzle and the receiver, or the snooper scope?

    Jim
     
  40. Trooper TK409

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    Specifically, I'd like closeup photos of:
    - the small site on the end
    - the snooper scope mount
    - snooper scope lenses.
    Thanks man!
     
  41. Art Andrews

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    Cliff and I were talking yesterday (always a pleasure) and he was curious as to whether or not there were any ref pics of the rod that holds the forward scope as mentioned by TK818. Well, after a little digging I am proud to say we found verification.
    In this picture you can clearly see the scope mount with the rod attaching to the lower leg of it. I would guess that if the front of the scope was not in shadow you would see that the other end of the rod goes to the front end of the scope.


    Don't be confused by the big blob directly behind the scope. We believe that to be the sandy's hand and thumb.

    Here is a pic of the real scope mount for the Enfield No. 32 scope.

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    and here is a pic from the roadblock scene:

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    I believe what we are seeing here is the back leg of the scope mount. Is it possible that the rod described by TK818 attaches to the scope mount at the original screw holes?
     
  42. Lordsandy

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    Braks Buddy,

    Great pics!

    Sure looks like the rod is going to the lower portion of the mount in those pics.

    That is different from TK818's illustration.
     
  43. TK818

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    My first sketch was a bit off as to the angle of the rod.
    The archive shot is taken from above the gun, not from the side so the angle of the rod is deceptive but it does angle down in back.

    The angle is is more like this:

    [​IMG]

    From an exchange with LS:

    On the British MK sniper scope........

    1) Are the windage knobs lined up with one another or offset from each other?

    Offset

    2)The tip of the scope is brass in color right?

    Yes

    3)The eye bell section......is it brass in color or blued?

    It's blued except for a thin brass ring that forms the rim of the eye
    piece.
     
  44. Art Andrews

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    TK818, from the pic you have seen, does it appear the rod is truly a rod (circular) or is it more of a thin flat strip of metal? I ask because it appears extremely thin in some of the photos above and if it does mount to the screwholes of the scope mount then I would think it would have to either have flattened ends of be a complete flate strip. Hope that wasn't too confusing.
     
  45. Art Andrews

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    BTW, got my poster in...

    Unfortunately the pics are not as good as I hoped. However, it does give us picture-proof of a couple of the things that have been stated in this thread.

    1. One of the MG15s is missing the entire front section of the gun just as lonepigeon stated. This makes me believe that this pic was most likely taken AFTER filimg in Tunisia. The other thing that points to this fact is that we see several sandtrooper pieces which have obviously been cleaned up....

    2. You can pretty easily see the bands around the front section of the snooper scope as TK-818 mentioned in an earlier thread. Always nice to have a pic to back these kind of things up.

    3. Although they don't clearly show it, the pics give you a general sense of where the tube coming off the snooperscope attaches to the MG-15 which lines up right where TK-818 said it should.

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    Here is a link to a larger version:

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  46. Lordsandy

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    Wow!

    Awesome pic BB!

    Notice the rubber eye piece is different on that scope compared to the one I have and the one with C3PO in the picture.

    Please PM me on where you got that poster.

    TK818, Can you see if the scope mount knobs are infact reversed on your picture?? If so I would think they just bent the rod around the knobs and than just cranked them down?

    Thanks,

    Jim S.
     
  47. BAlinger15

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    If that is the pic where they are following Garindan....

    Yes it was taken after filming in Tunisia. All the filming in Tunisia was done first, and then they went to Elstree. The places where we see Garindan is of course a SET....at Elstree [​IMG]

    Brandon
     
  48. Art Andrews

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    No, no. Sorry for the confusion. The pics above come from this poster:

    [attachmentid=3576]


    From what I can tell, there are no MG-15s in the Garindan pic. I could be wrong but I see 2 Mg-34s, 2 Sterlings and 1 Lewis.

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  49. TK818

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    "TK818, from the pic you have seen, does it appear the rod is truly a rod (circular) or is it more of a thin flat strip of metal?"

    It's definitely a rod but the area where it would attach to the mount is not visible.

    "TK818, Can you see if the scope mount knobs are infact reversed on your picture?? If so I would think they just bent the rod around the knobs and than
    just cranked them down??"

    The scope mount knobs are in the same position as the pic of the "real Mark II" that Brak's Buddy posted but the knobs are different.
    They appear smaller, don't have a lip and there are hex nuts in the center.

    In fact they could be washers rather than the actual knobs.
    The hex nuts have some rod sticking through them.

    The rod would be much to thick to bend around the knobs.

    Here's what I'll do if I ever get a sniper scope for my MG-15:

    [​IMG]
     
  50. BAlinger15

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    Brak's....

    What poster is that??? I have never seen it before. What is that front trooper holding for a gun?

    I would still say it's very likely that it was shot after filming in Tunisia, as that was done first...

    Brandon
     

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