Mad Max Fury Road Screaming Skull: DONE PAGE 3

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  1. DeLano80

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    Hello! I will be trying to replicate this skull from Mad Max Fury Road. It is on Mad Max's car that has been turned into the "Razor Cola". It should not be too difficult but was wondering if anyone could help me with the parts.

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    (Picture come from : https://www.behance.net/gallery/26652427/Before-the-Dirt-The-Cars-of-Mad-Max-Fury-Road)

    Pretty basic right? Some metal and wire. For the metal I was thinking maybe lead sheet as it is easy to conform to odd surfaces, but not sure about that yet. I was hoping someone might know what those rivets are? The small ones aren't conventional rivets so maybe nails? And what are the bigger ones? I could make them if needed, but would like to use the real thing if possible. Another thing of course is what are the bars holding the lower jaw? I do not have many good pictures of this thing and would greatly appreciate any ones help or ideas if they have them!
     
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  2. DeLano80

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    A couple more reference photos. Shows the connection to the lower jaw better. I would like to use "real parts" instead of making them. Any body have any ideas?

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    The two long pieces connecting the lower jaw, look like the middle part of a turnbuckle.
     
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    Looks like a real skull (or replica of) and custom made metal bits and wire. Those bolts look chunky. Like at least M10.
     
  5. DeLano80

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    I have a skull coming. Unfortunately not my wife's.... Turnbuckle? Maybe. I will look into it. The rivet things also perplex me.
     
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  7. KlownOtheWastes

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    The rivets look like upholstery tacks, you can pick them up at just about any craft store
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    Oh and the pieces connecting the lower jaw are definitely the middle parts from turn buckles.
    Using lead for the metal straps is a great idea too, easy to work with since it's soft and since it's got more of a matte finish too it you won't have to work as much at weathering it
     
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  8. DeLano80

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    I am thinking You are correct on the turnbuckles. When my skull gets here I can scale it out.
    As for the small small rivets, I am thinking of solid domed rivets
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    The larger fasteners are still perplexing me...
     
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  9. PoopaPapaPalps

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    The skull looks like an ape/chimp skull of some sort to me. Cranium doesn't look tall enough to be human. The "teeth" look just like steel plate chopped and cut up. Steel wire looks like any you find at any hardware store; looks like maybe 16 gauge?

    The large conical rivets dotting the skull are cone head/pan head/shoulder rivets. Just Google that and you'll find a bunch, dunno where to order them though. Alternatively, you could use cone head tacks, as well, but I don't know if they come in the sizes you're looking for.

    If you can source right size nuts and bolts, with the turnbuckle, it should look really close to the actual thing.
     
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    I kind of agree. With that brow, it looks kinda neanderthal, huh? I am sure they used replicas of skulls. And it would seem weird to me that they would use a primate skull. Monkeys are not indigenous to Australia, but you never know what they could use. A quick search did not yield anything. I sent the picture off to The Museum of Osteology. Maybe they will get back to me.
     
  12. PoopaPapaPalps

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    I just did a quick search and it certainly seems to match up, size and proportion, to that. If you can find a replica, that may be your way to go.

    EDIT: Positive they used a replica Neanderthal skull from eBay. Particualraly, this listing. The marks on the skull and chip in the jawline match. Hell, with all this research, I may have to attempt one myself now.

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    I am inclined to agree. Slap a new paint job on and there you go. Spendy skull though... The one I am getting is a modern human skull. Now I will have to get this. Makes me wonder why they would use a neanderthal? Seems weird.
     
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    The probably choose the exaggerated features as they would stand out on film.


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  15. PoopaPapaPalps

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    In the brief conversation I had with one of the artists working on the film when I was working on my Ripsaw wheel, it seemed like most the materials were already on-hand or supplied in unsorted bulk. The artist I spoke to said he didn't know exactly what he used beyond that he used them. In regards to his Ripsaw ornament, he said when he ran out of bullet casings, the department just supplied him in another bucket.

    It was also said that different teams of artists were assigned vehicles to work on independently, so that each car was distinct visually and artistically from one another. I imagine the piece was most likely used because it was brought by one of the artists or already on-hand and was grabbed from a box of stuff.
     
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    Now you can be even more positive....
    There was literally ONE picture of this companies skull on the internet that I could find, so I got some more from the factory.
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    I learned that it is hollow, but the sinus cavity will have to be opened up into the roof of the mouth to allow the wires to pass through. That is a natural feature of a skull as we know. Also the orbital bone on the Mad Max skull was opened up to allow for more wire wrapping. That is not natural. I was told that the material they use to make this can be drilled but the guy I spoke to expressed concern about the size of the hole needed to be put into the jaw bone for the bolt. He said it would become very delicate.
    I think they used castings of this skull because they are expensive. I also did a quick search and found this skull was used in other places in the movie. There is one on the front of the War Rig for example.

    After I get this, I can scale the rivets and turnbuckles. I started to do this with my modern human skull, but found the neanderthal is quite a bit larger so my measurements would not be accurate.
     
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    I got the neanderthal in the mail. First off, it is LARGE. They must have been very ugly in real life. Second, it is heavy. It is made of something similar to polystone maybe???? If I use this I imagine the only way I will be able to open the sinus cavity and drill holes for the rivets will be with a diamond burr bit perhaps. Ideally, if I had mold making/resin casting friends, I would have casts made in resin. That would be much easier to work with. Alas, I have no such friends.
     
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    Comparison between the neanderthal used for the screaming skull vs. a modern human adult skull.
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    A little bit of progress. I hollowed out the nose and opened the sinus(?) on the roof of the mouth to use as the exit for the wire.
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    My worries about breakage or chipping was unfounded. Whatever material this is made from is easy to work with. I used a grinding bit with my dremel.
    I have the solid dome head rivets coming. The conical rivets I have yet to find a good source for.
     
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  19. KlownOtheWastes

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    it could be that they used that particular style of skull not only because it was "just laying around" but also because they liked the look of the cracks and chips in the skull (lending that the owner of said skull most likely died a most unpleasant death). Also you have to keep in mind that mutation seems to run rampant in Max's world, so a person having neanderthal like features probably wouldn't be out of the question.
     
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    What do you mean you have no such friends? Your on the rpf! There are plenty of us like that here[emoji38]
     
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    Hah! point taken. I meant I know of no one personally.

    Anyone want to take a crack at those turnbuckle bodies? I believe they are 1/2" or M10(ish). I believe they are cast and galvanized. Around 7" total length. I can find plenty of turnbuckles of course, but the shape is wrong on the ends.
     
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    Some progress. It might seem like small progress, but this was more frustrating than it ought to have been. I was originally determined to use steel. I could not for the life of me get it to bend and twist around the orbital bone. It was more difficult than I had thought it would be. I used different gauges of sheet steel trying to get the right look to no avail. I even tried to use tin sheet, thinking I could make the bend and twist with that... I finally admitted defeat and found a place that would sell me lead sheet. I bought a piece of 1'x2'x.0165". I think it works. the thickness looks good to me as I scaled it. The color on some test pieces I did also look good. I was able to make the bend and twist. In my first post, I suggested using lead to myself. I should have listened and saved myself the trouble.

    Here is a mock up held together with tape.
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    My plan will be to fasten the band to the bridge of the nose and work my way back, taking up the slack as I go. I should get it to sit very nicely against the skull. The lead is great to work with. It tastes good too. Soft and yummy...

    And one more picture showing the ring on the back. I scaled it from another reference picture I have that I haven't uploaded yet. The ring scaled out to 3" O.D. and .25" thick. It is mild steel and was zinc plated, made by Stanley. I sandblasted off the zinc and will patina it to match some pictures I hopefully will be receiving soon. The lead band wraps around the ring and is riveted to itself, holding the ring in place.
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    If anyone is interested, The metal on the bridge of the nose (not shown here) scales out to 1/16" thick. I made that piece from steel, but I think I will get some thicker lead to use.
     
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  23. PoopaPapaPalps

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    I can already see the end result! Should look real good once you've got it all painted up an assembled.
     
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    Any advice on painting the skull to look like the first picture?
     
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    I can only imagine what'd I'd do and that would be laying down the base color first and then going over that with multiple passes of several browns, yellows, oranges, black (and maybe greens); stippling and blotting with my assorted collections of sponges and paper towels for pick-up and texture. Then seal in a matte clear coat...

    ...Of course, that's just how I'd​ do it. There are numerous possibilities for you to explore.
     
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    A very boring photo:
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    Yes I am slow... I blame my wife and children and take no responsibility for them wasting my important hobby time. Anyway, this is important because those cone head rivets are hard to find. I had to make them at work. I used mild steel. Major diameter .495, minor is .3125 and they are .25 tall. That is what I scaled them to anyhow. I looked everywhere before resorting to making them myself. The dome head rivets are from Mcmaster Carr and are .27 and .33 in diameter respectively. I think that the rivets used on the teeth are a little bigger than the ones used on the straps. I will have to check. Still looking for the proper turnbuckles to no avail and will probably resort to a stand in pair.
     
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    More pictures featuring terrible lighting!

    The jaw bone... Hole will fit a 1/2-13 bolt.
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    The all important nose bridge plate thing... Made from 1/16 lead sheet, which is harder to chew on than the thinner lead sheet I have for the straps, but it still tastes just as good.
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    I figure I had better fit everything before I do the final painting so I don't scratch the paint. I excel at breaking things and just all around * up.

    Oh yeah, I also cut out some slots for the wire on the eyes. I am not sure how big to make the slots due to a lack of reference photos. I talked to a guy who said he had a bunch of pictures, but he has decided to stop replying to my emails. I hate that by the way. Why offer help and then dismiss the whole idea of said help? He is from Australia so I suppose there is a high probability that he has been killed by some sinister animal or perhaps a previously unknown species of poisonous beetle that keeps it poisonous babies in its poisonous pouch because all things in Australia have pouches and are poisonous.
     
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    Neat project. How will you display it, are you going to include the blower intake?
     
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    Pretty cool project indeed! Going to follow this one and see how you progress! :)
     
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    Blower intake? No, that sounds expensive. I have not thought that far ahead. Maybe with a crankshaft stand or something. Honestly, I probably won't keep it. Open to ideas on displaying though.
     
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    On the vehicle, the rods connecting the mandible to the skull run through the intake of the stacked blowers (superchargers). Just wasn't sure if you were going to recreate that part or not. Obviously you have to stop somewhere. . .
     
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    Hah! I knew what you meant. It is a Scott superslot injector hat I think. And I am kinda thinking of either a crankshaft spinal column looking thing or maybe a piston rod... Not sure.
     
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    You had me at "crankshaft spinal column" !
     
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    A little more progress. Trying to fit things up before I paint this thing. So far, I do not believe I have ruined it...

    Small rivets added. Drilling the holes was not entirely fun, but it worked.
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    And the cone head rivet:
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    So far I am satisfied with my results. After painting the skull, I will weather the metal to match the prop as best I can. Since lead does not rust like steel, I will have to experiment with different methods. As I assemble this, I will pull the metal bands tight and form them to the skull as I go.

    Things I still need to do:
    (1) Teeth. I have done a couple mock ups, but not happy with result.
    (2) Figure out the slot cut for the eye wires. I don't know how big the slot needs to be.
    (3) Under the jaw, there is a round tube that is threaded to accept the bolts for the turnbuckles. Haven't begun that yet Nor have I contemplated how to attach it to the skull.
    (4) Everything else....

    I still need to source those turnbuckles. Not as easy as it looks to match them. Go ahead and try, I dare you. Seriously, help would be appreciated!
    Have not found any more good reference photos that show the back side in close detail. Still working on it.
     
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  35. Abelugo

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    did you check boat hardware type sources for the turn buckles?

    did you take a side shot image with your known sizing and then estimate what size turnbuckle it is you are looking for?
    look on ebay
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    Thanks for the tips! And to answer, yes I have. The closest I kind find are Meriman bronze turnbuckles. 1/2-13 seems to scale pretty well. The problem I see with those is the crossbar. I would have to cut that out and then try to blend the "fresh" metal in.
    Here is an example:
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    These are the 7/16" size which are a tad small, but you get the idea. Also, not pictured here is the side profile which bulges out toward the ends. In other words, they are more narrow in the middle. I believe (could be mistaken) that the turnbuckles on the prop are the same width the whole length. Again, more reference pictures would help. And I can still use a stand in pair, but unless I can correct ones, I may go with the merimans as a close enough option. I don't really want to do that, but may have to.
     
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    you a couple good points there and some direction.
    "stand-ins" are a good way to keep the project going while you find a closer item.
     
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    I have not posted here in quite a while. The reason is because I have stalled on this project. I finally found a couple turnbuckles that are a very close match to the ones used. They will require slight modification. Another problem I am having is the teeth. I can cut and bend the teeth but I cannot perform the radius around the bottom edge without the metal crimping. I think I need new tools.

    In the interim I have been working on the Mini-Max. I call it the mini because it uses a modern human skull which is about 2/3 the size of the Neanderthal. So, everything has been scaled down. The conical rivets were not used. Instead I used different dome head rivets and little finish nails. Smaller diameter wire. Turnbuckles from the hardware store. This proved a bit more difficult than I had hoped. The modern human skull does not lend itself well for attaching turnbuckles to it. The Neanderthal should go easier. The space for putting things is a lot bigger anyway. That was my problem with this skull. The turnbuckles just didn’t fit, the way to attach them had to be adjusted. Also, the way they attach makes them finicky. Tightening the top makes the bottom splay out so it is difficult to get the proper balance. I will probably end up epoxying them to get the “stance” I am looking for. I see in the following pictures my jawbone is a bit crooked. That is because my parts are loose. This was a good exercise for me I think.

    When will I figure out how to use a camera? I have no idea. They always look awful!

    The Mini-Max…

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    I will finish this and put together a pipe fitting stand for it and get rid of it I think.
    And the real Screaming Skull will continue...
     
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    If it's something you think you can live with, you can avoid the crimping by cutting notches where the metal begins to crimp when you initially cut your metal for the teeth. That way, when you work on shaping the radius, the edges of the notch will line up and you can then solder or weld them together, file, and clean that seam. I ran into a similar problem when I was working on my Ripsaw/War Rig skull ornament and to avoid the same headache when I was reworking the piece to get a cleaner finish, I made a template of the final thing I was looking for out of paper and tape first, then cut and laid that out flat on the metal I was working with.

    Of course, that's one way. I think if you're really willing to put the work in, you can get the exact result of the actual prop with a planishing hammer and a ball stake.
     
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    Good advice. I did exactly that. Wasn't happy with the result though.
     
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    A cheap stand of pipe fittings. I think for the real screaming skull, I will find a way to display it that is less obtrusive. But this does serve its purpose.
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    that is too * cool. i love it, i think i need one for myself,,,lol Its a true work of art.....well done!
     
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    Great job.:cool
     
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    Thank you! Fun to work on.

    Okay back to the real version...
    I finally got my turnbuckles! They are not the exact style, but close enough to be modified to be as accurate as I can get. These are Merriman bronze turnbuckles. They scale to the correct size, shape and length. The ends are bulged out in the profile. That needs to be flattened and there is also a crossbar in the middle that needs to go.

    So this:
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    Compared to this:
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    I have actually seen these bronze turnbuckle with a patina very close to the above picture. Mine are chrome plated and they are going on the mill. I will flatten out the bulged ends and blend in the radius as well as cutting out the crossbar.

    And here they are after the milling and sandblasting the stubborn chrome off:
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    A couple comparison shots against my computer screen:

    Laid right on top of the closest turnbuckle in the photo.
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    And a side by side:
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    Pretty close I think. May have to round the ends a bit more.
    That is it for now. Thanks for looking at my ultra-super slow paced build of something more people may have cared about two years ago when the movie came out! :p
     
  45. Abelugo

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    On the lower jaw, maybe create a rough wood "U" shape and put that on a vise with the metal piece and start hammering them over? Also cut V notches to bend it over as Papapoopa says.

    Everything is looking way awesome!!! great job.
     
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    great work so far.....tough when you have kids, believe me in know. These builds can take forever. looks awesome
     
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    Friend, a top-quality film like Fury Road will always be revered. I bet you, 20 years from now, FR will still be looked at with awe and still excite viewers. Definitely heads above the other films that were released that year.
     
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    Good idea! I will try that. Maybe I can beat it into submission.

    Thank you! And family, while full of good times, can be a real hindrance to hobbies!

    Poopa, you speak the truth!
    By the way, I have admired your Nux bobblehead and your steering wheel. Your work is top notch!
     
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    Thanks! I actually had in mind of making the wheel for myself, with the fully decorated "wreath", and have enough materials to do it but...that's been put on the back-burner. At least until I get a bandsaw.
     
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