Luke ROTJ V2 lightsaber
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Call me crazy, but seeing the pics Zombie Killer used to place his clamp from the ATAT - those levers look different than this behind the scenes side-view we've been thrashing apart on here. They also look different than the one in ANH - is this why we've had such a hard time?
Shingouki28
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Okay..it looks my previous theory was wrong, and that Lonepigeon and a few others were right; the shared stunt and V2 are two completely seperate sabers. I'm pretty certain it's the shared stunt, and it looks like how it does now.
Okay..it looks my previous theory was wrong, and that Lonepigeon and a few others were right; the shared stunt and V2 are two completely seperate sabers. I'm pretty certain it's the shared stunt, and it looks like how it does now.
spidersolo
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It really is amazing how many sabers were used in this movie. What is the name of the saber that looks like the v2 but has the hole in the center of the pommel like the hero? It may be the yuma saber but I do not know. However do to the light the v@ looks to have black reliced aluminum under the emitter but I have been told that it is brass like the yuma.
that is the first definitive picture I've seen on the shared Stunt on set. Thank you! Do you guys think it had a brownish neck at this time? (PartsofSW, screencaps Throne Room Duel) and why would they hand Vader the fencing one?
There's no nipple, so we can debunk the barge climbing saber as being the shared stunt!
There's no nipple, so we can debunk the barge climbing saber as being the shared stunt!
spidersolo
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I believe the neck was always brass. The type of film used for filming the movie and the resolution makes the neck appear silver. When you look at the yuma photos the neck is brass. I have heard the the neck is brass on the V2 as well. The lever appears to be a camera boot clamp. I have a V-2 that I have had commissioned that is to be a replica of the one Hammill has in it's current state.
Also as you can see in this video the shared stunt does not have a clamp or box.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5aS-HIgvANE
Also as you can see in this video the shared stunt does not have a clamp or box.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5aS-HIgvANE
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Sym-Cha
Master Member
Indeed but it just may have been a picture of a rehearsal since . . . it's clearly the V2 in the same scene on bluray :
-Chaim
Yep.
Which Yuma shots were you talking about spidersolo? To my knowledge, the Shared stunt was not used in Arizona - the "yuma" and barge climbing saber were used. Since the nipple is already ground off in the above shot, and the barge climbing saber has a nipple, they probably aren't the same prop.
Also the prop in that video is the V2, notably the black paint all over it. This is why I'm a little skeptical of our conclusions, as the V2 wasn't fragile enough to not be used for fencing in ESB. Was the Shared Stunt painted black back then too? They're of the same mold.
camera boot clamp!? any info? I'm really curious
Which Yuma shots were you talking about spidersolo? To my knowledge, the Shared stunt was not used in Arizona - the "yuma" and barge climbing saber were used. Since the nipple is already ground off in the above shot, and the barge climbing saber has a nipple, they probably aren't the same prop.
Also the prop in that video is the V2, notably the black paint all over it. This is why I'm a little skeptical of our conclusions, as the V2 wasn't fragile enough to not be used for fencing in ESB. Was the Shared Stunt painted black back then too? They're of the same mold.
camera boot clamp!? any info? I'm really curious
spidersolo
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The climbing saber was cast aluminum , the nippleless saber was cast resin wasn't it? The yuma saber is the yuma saber I don't understand what you are asking. Sorry
No worries! You mentioned looking at the Yuma photos to rectify the shared stunt having a brass neck. The Shared Stunt was never in Yuma. There is black paint under the copper on the shared stunt now, with the nipple ground off (like in that B&W photo). This saber is cast in aluminum, visible on display at a few exhibits, and has gone into space. it includes a Graflex clamp, and was used for fencing in ROTJ at least. That video you posted we're not sure if it's the V2 or Shared Stunt, as they both were from the same mold, and both black/silver at one point or another. During that video, both the V2 and Shared stunt had a nipple too, so there's almost no way to tell.
The "Barge Climbing Saber" is most commonly referred to as the one hanging on luke's belt as he literally climbs the sail barge's wall. It flops around and looks to be one solid piece, as if it were cast in resin, or lathed wood.
Any pics of a camera "boot clamp" ? I couldn't find any on google, and really really wanna know!
spidersolo
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The v2 is machined not cast thats why the hilt ribs are straight and not wonky like the cast peices. No copper all brass in various stages of tarnish.Pieces were replaced throughout filming thus the different levers/activtion switches.I believe the yuma saber is also machined and has a brass neck...remember the sabers were Cleaned up for exhibition so copper paint was used for continuity although the mom saber looks brass to me............I believe that is a clamp as seen on various cameras from the 60's to hold the boot on it' looks too dainty to be a ski boot clamp but it may be. Pretty sure it's off a camera.
The V2 and the Shared Stunt are both cast, have uneven grip rings, and a mold seam. They are both derived from a slightly larger wood master.
Photos about halfway down here:
Elstree Props Return of the Jedi Lightsaber Auction ? Update 3 : The Original Prop Blog ? Jason DeBord's TV and Movie Prop Memorabilia Resource
Photos about halfway down here:
Elstree Props Return of the Jedi Lightsaber Auction ? Update 3 : The Original Prop Blog ? Jason DeBord's TV and Movie Prop Memorabilia Resource
spidersolo
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It looks like the v2 has pretty even machined grip rings to me. as it does in every screen capture in this thread. Not really buying the MR explanation that came with the saber about the v2. MR made a shared stunt and a combination of the v2 it's not the v2. The casting have uneven grip rings the machined ones don't.Hammil has the v2 and apparently very few have seen it....I've seen this BTW look at any screen cap of the v2 ALL the rings are the same.(it's machined)
lonepigeon
Master Member
The V2 and Shared Stunt are definitely cast from the same mold.
They were cleaned up after casting and the spaces between the pommel cubes were cut out after. This has all been easily proven. The wooden master, shared stunt, and an unused casting have all been on public display. Even without seeing the V2 first hand all the dimensions can be compared to the other 3 examples and matched up.
They were cleaned up after casting and the spaces between the pommel cubes were cut out after. This has all been easily proven. The wooden master, shared stunt, and an unused casting have all been on public display. Even without seeing the V2 first hand all the dimensions can be compared to the other 3 examples and matched up.
spidersolo
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The v2 is machined as is the yuma. .....This is kinda the same thing when everyone told me the cave scene didn't exist and said i was sadly mistaken about 4 years ago, remember?......just sayin.
Trying to educate not start trouble I won't speak of it again.
scarf man
Master Member
The V2 is not machined, but cast as lonepigeon says. Perhaps you should check out lonepigeon and Mr.Sparkle's site Parts of Star Wars. Lonepigeon has built up credibility for more than a decade on this site, you have not. Lonepigeon has authored articles in the Star Wars Insider magazine, and been to the Lucasfilm archives, you have not.
Spidersolo, for you to deny the posted evidence on JDebord's article above, smacks of obstinance.
Spidersolo, for you to deny the posted evidence on JDebord's article above, smacks of obstinance.
Lichtbringer
Master Member
Hmm, parts can be both, cast and machined. :love
It´s not that uncommon to cast a workpiece with the general needed shape, and then only machine the wanted dings and dents, grooves, holes and whatever.
Best example is everyones motor in their car - is it cast? Or is it machined? It´s both.
It´s not that uncommon to cast a workpiece with the general needed shape, and then only machine the wanted dings and dents, grooves, holes and whatever.
Best example is everyones motor in their car - is it cast? Or is it machined? It´s both.
Sym-Cha
Master Member
^ Indeed they can however this time lonepigeon and scarf man are 100% correct ... and spidersolo is sadly mistaken ... his eyes are deceiving him ... though he should trust his instincts, he'd also do himself a huge favour and listen more carefully . . . to gather knowledge and be enlightened.
-Chaim
-Chaim
