Mara Jade's Father
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I always thought it was the clamp that was repositioned so that it would hang on the belt without the activation box digging into the leg.
Luke ROTJ V2 lightsaber
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Jediscum
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I love this thread! However, Zombie Killer's picture here begs another question. Comparing to the black and white pic a few pages back showing the long lever, this picture (to me) seems to show a standard size graflex lever. If we assume the shiny rectangular blob there at the end of the clamp is the bottom of the sidebar/t-shaped area holding the card, then the darkish rectangular blob to the right (near the red dot) doesn't look near long enough to be the same lever in the b&w pic. The long lever clearly extends past the end of the clamp. The lever in this photo doesn't appear to do so. I suppose it could be the angle of the photo but it looks about the size of a standard lever to me. Or am I just seeing things?
Edit: maybe not. Looking through the blu ray caps from that website it seems the lever is the longer one. Just doesn't look like it in this photo.
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For my money, I base the V2 off of this.
Personally, I don't think the whole emitter head rotates as, guessing from how this is built with the wiring that leads out of the windvane and into the emitter head. I'd bet money that the nipple is a separate piece and is the only piece that rotates.
On a couple of other notes...
I think the "paint line" that you're seeing is nothing but the sheen of the metal from the saber and, is it just me, or does anybody else see (in the second pic) a flat head screw?
Personally, I don't think the whole emitter head rotates as, guessing from how this is built with the wiring that leads out of the windvane and into the emitter head. I'd bet money that the nipple is a separate piece and is the only piece that rotates.
On a couple of other notes...
I think the "paint line" that you're seeing is nothing but the sheen of the metal from the saber and, is it just me, or does anybody else see (in the second pic) a flat head screw?
Poopa, i don't mean the shine on the side of the saber. That just happens to be where i put the line. I am talking about where the paint is on the emitter end. There is a distinctive paint pattern on the emitter face. Follow the line from that pattern to the cone.
Thanks for the pic nighteyes, yes that could be what was used for the nut.
Thanks for the pic nighteyes, yes that could be what was used for the nut.
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Organic Mechanic
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It almost looks like there is a hole where the "cone knob" should be in that second pic Zombie Killer. Could it just be that it was removed for that scene? Just a thought.
Daddy Solo
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I was thinking the same thing! If the knob is missing, then it seems as though the emitter or "gear" section hasn't rotated, but the clamp has.
lonepigeon
Master Member
I believe the Emperor's hand is just casting a shadow over the cone knob. It didn't move. His hand is also the reason the clamp is lighter in the second pic.
It may be that only the nipple rotates it is a separate piece. The upper neck could just be fragile because it's wrapped with tape on both sabers (shared stunt and V2).
The Shared Stunt and V2 are absolutely two different sabers. They can both be seen throughout the movie. I've even seen both sabers used in different takes of the exact same shot.
I think that's the Shared Stunt without the clamp in the ESB practice shot. I've seen the V2 with clamp and lever intact on the carbon freezing chamber set. I don't think that one-bar-long-lever clamp setup on the V2 changed since ANH. The clamp on the Shared Stunt may have come from a Luke Graflex stunt saber - that would explain the round hole in the side (activation button from ANH stunt?)
It may be that only the nipple rotates it is a separate piece. The upper neck could just be fragile because it's wrapped with tape on both sabers (shared stunt and V2).
The Shared Stunt and V2 are absolutely two different sabers. They can both be seen throughout the movie. I've even seen both sabers used in different takes of the exact same shot.
I think that's the Shared Stunt without the clamp in the ESB practice shot. I've seen the V2 with clamp and lever intact on the carbon freezing chamber set. I don't think that one-bar-long-lever clamp setup on the V2 changed since ANH. The clamp on the Shared Stunt may have come from a Luke Graflex stunt saber - that would explain the round hole in the side (activation button from ANH stunt?)
Tape?! whoa okay, there seems to be new details every few posts, can we have like a list of definitely known, and questioned details about this prop?
As for the rest, I agree on the ESB photo about the Shared stunt in it's true black form....and the hole on it's clamp could have been drilled for a button on an ANH stunt, although I see it's amongst the T track on the ESB photo.
After this photo comp I can't understand why the v2 lever run that is happening in the junkyard does not have the teeth, it's %100 obvious they are there.....:facepalm
I think you are right because if it was under the finger then the emitter or the section where the cone is would have had to move. The cone is lined up pretty much with the begining of the black paint on the emitter face. His finger is lined up with where there is no paint on the emitter face.
Daddy Solo
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No, it is not - that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I do not see any teeth in this photo. Look at all the speculation that has already occurred in this and other threads about all the other aspects of the V2 that are still in dispute - recessed emitter?, 2nd groove in lower section of neck?, emitter rotating or not?, and on and on and on. Go thee and fabricate one with teeth if that is what you feel is "screen accurate", but I for one am COMPLETELY satisfied with the way the levers by Caz are designed and I look forward to placing one on my Russrep V2 when I receive it. I wonder if Pastor Jedi's levers were ever placed under such scrutiny, or were told they were designed inaccurately??:wacko
Bowelrock, how dare you believe your eyes.
Daddy, that pic has just surfaced. What is your explanation for the bump on the bottom?
Daddy, that pic has just surfaced. What is your explanation for the bump on the bottom?
Daddy Solo
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Actually, there is NO spoon, and that picture proves nothing. sorry - As I've said before, I'm not sold. Funny thing is, as a dentist (for realz) I know what teeth look like:love
****edit**** my explanation of the white area that you call a tooth is a poor resolution (at that magnification) B/W pic taken 30+ yrs ago with high amounts of noise and pixelization with shadows cast from the weathered hilt it's attached to. Also, is that circuit card screen accurate?? Didn't I read somewhere that it is gold w/ straight silver lines or is that open to speculation as well?
****edit**** my explanation of the white area that you call a tooth is a poor resolution (at that magnification) B/W pic taken 30+ yrs ago with high amounts of noise and pixelization with shadows cast from the weathered hilt it's attached to. Also, is that circuit card screen accurate?? Didn't I read somewhere that it is gold w/ straight silver lines or is that open to speculation as well?
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I don't get these extra notch arguments and recessed emitter ring. I thought that was all far in the past, or at least as far back as the bluray release. It seems pretty obvious from the grabs that the emitter is totally flat. There just isn't enough uniform geometry to the black paint left to justify a circle shaped recess now that it can be seen clearly. The extra notch, all I see is chipped paint. I admit no one has a great look at that section of the neck. I don't think anyone could say for certainty that there is a notch there based on a few freeze frames when none of the other production versions of this saber body have it, or the wooden master.
Its the most beat up saber we get at a near hero status, or at least plenty of screen time. Were all after a better replica and knowing exactly what were lookng at so why not toss around some fresh ideas. Its fun to think about the V2 and what details we have yet to discover here. The research on the lever from this new photo is exciting. It really does look like is has an extra curved tooth underneath. Following the dark reflection from graflex clamp, it does not continue where you would expect under the lever. A good argument for this different style long lever.
But who could really say for sure.
Its the most beat up saber we get at a near hero status, or at least plenty of screen time. Were all after a better replica and knowing exactly what were lookng at so why not toss around some fresh ideas. Its fun to think about the V2 and what details we have yet to discover here. The research on the lever from this new photo is exciting. It really does look like is has an extra curved tooth underneath. Following the dark reflection from graflex clamp, it does not continue where you would expect under the lever. A good argument for this different style long lever.
But who could really say for sure.
I agree on the face being flat, i tried last night to find it and anything that seemed to resemble a ring looked like an artifact from when they added the light. Here are a couple pics i took.
I did this real quick tonight... thinking about this darn thing more...
here's what I'm seeing:
thoughts?
For posterity... I quote myself.
In my view, there is almost definitely a "tooth" there. I'm not going to go into qualifications, but I study photographs and light on a daily basis, and I am 99.9999% sure my drawing is a good general approximation of what actually existed in this photo I found.
I'm also pretty certain the V2 emitter is flat. I think few think otherwise.
But like you said, they're all entitled to their opinion.
No need to get testy guys, as I actually find it fascinating that we have so much love for the subject matter to investigate and speculate so much.
We're united on a really cool level. ^_^
Anyway, I keep looking for photos, and I think we'll eventually stumble on the answers.
I agree scottjua
I'd like to also apologize for bringing up the extra features like recessed emitters or an extra groove. Literally, the first I'd seen of them were on Russ' run which just completed. They were and are new to me, so I brought them up purely out of an investigative nature. I actually agree the emitter is flat and the extra groove...I dont see it, but we'll never know from pictures.
i'm also pro-tooth. I just never thought resolution could go that wonky and cause that large of a lighted area
Anyone know why Obi Wan's saber looks dark Grey in those pics, but in the famous one with the clamp slid down, it's pure jet black? Different stunts?
Edit: one more question - could the nipple and the emitter plate spin? I remember one of the wooden masters was missing the top plate.
I'd like to also apologize for bringing up the extra features like recessed emitters or an extra groove. Literally, the first I'd seen of them were on Russ' run which just completed. They were and are new to me, so I brought them up purely out of an investigative nature. I actually agree the emitter is flat and the extra groove...I dont see it, but we'll never know from pictures.
i'm also pro-tooth. I just never thought resolution could go that wonky and cause that large of a lighted area
Anyone know why Obi Wan's saber looks dark Grey in those pics, but in the famous one with the clamp slid down, it's pure jet black? Different stunts?
Edit: one more question - could the nipple and the emitter plate spin? I remember one of the wooden masters was missing the top plate.
