Luke ROTJ V2 lightsaber

[Sym-Cha]

Although I see the line . . . in these pictures is does seem flat to me too :

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-Chaim

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I do not think you can claim flat or recessed based on the pictures. After all, even just a millimeter difference prevents it from being flat.

 

[TheRealMcFly]

What makes you say that?
I don't recall seeing any ESB practice shots without the clamp.
I'm fairly positive the same lever is on the saber in ANH.

There were plans for an ultimate cast aluminum replica of this saber, but unfortunately that's been cancelled because of Russ' run (too much lost interest after the flood of these replicas). Funny, I never realized anyone believed there was a second groove in the black part of the neck. There definitely isn't.

Perhaps I am mistaken but I thought the shot in your post here was from ESB production.

Since Bob doesn't seem to be holding anything it could still be the V2.
(edit- I see what looks like the top of a saber in Bob's hand, but there's not enough to really tell which prop).

As was pointed out earlier, this saber doesn't have a Graflex clamp...

I wonder if this is the Shared Stunt?
The V2 clamp has the odd long lever (seen in the ANH closeup as well as ROTJ) and I don't think that clamp is easily removed.

 

[thd9791]

Agreed on all counts.

I also think there was and is no second groove in the neck at all. The one picture I saw that was supposed to show it looks like a play of the light/paint/weathering to me and NOT a groove.

So no groove, and no recess in the emitter.

So I agree, my MR V2 is the most accurate out there... but still a little off here and there.

The "throne room lever" photo that I posted, and has been making the rounds, actually came straight from the official faceobok page months ago. I saw it and rejoiced, and thought someone sometime would find the part ('I'm still looking), or make a close to accurate replica.

So far, neither has happened. But we're getting closer.

Now we need a replica with a flat emitter like on the MR, and no second off-center groove.

In the end, I'm still going to dig my Russ V2!

Ah okay, sorry guys. I was never around for the previous research, and figured since Russ' runs are such big things....Dan knows a lot too, I don't really know who's who other than whats said on here within the past 3-4 years and old threads without pictures :$

I love all that info from "Barry" ! Who..is he again?

and another big question - if the V2 was delicate and had moving parts, how was a stick anchored in there to fence with? The one on the black and white above seemed like a solid piece to me...

 

[Zombie Killer]

Could be the shard stunt Nighteyes. I also when trying to figure out my paint i noticed it looks like the emitter end twists as the paint details didn't always align with the cone knob. In the wood/casting pic it looks like there is no emitter flat part so maybe they could slide the clamp off the front. If the pommel was removable (MR said it turned) then they could have slid the clamp off the bottom too.

 

[thd9791]

and aha! Those pics from ANH, the emitter/saber always looked Gray to me, but it looks like it was just a color mis-label from me. It is black right?

 

[TheRealMcFly]

Bummer to hear about Dan's run. I had no idea people thought there was a groove below the windvane area. Russrep stuff is beautiful but frankly the recent V2 run would not do it for me in this case.

Graflex clamps aside, prove to me that the shared stunt isn't the V2 underneath all that chrome tape.

 

[Zombie Killer]

I don't think thats chrome tape. It looks like the clamp is missing. It looks too thin. There is a step at the pommel side and not really a raised edge on the grenade end. Maybe to make it easier to do battle? Looks ike it is just cast aluminum there. The Graflex name is clearly visible on the clamp in the chair scene and when vader hands the emporer the saber. Well the 'A' on the chair and "L E" in the emps hand.


Eidt , Oh i see what you mean by tape. On the shared stunt. We need to find that hole in the vane of the shared on the V2.

 

[Sym-Cha]

However as far as I can tell . . . there is a clamp bar missing from the V2 from this point of view :

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So the lever is still one and the same as in ANH ... yes :confused

How come no one has replied on what I said about the clamp bar missing?

-Chaim

 

[scarf man]

Because you're obviously correct, the sidebar is missing.

 

[Zombie Killer]

I don't have the bar on the one i just build because of that pic. My question has been what is being used to hold the lever threaded rod. It doesn't really look like a nut.

I posted this pic a few days ago in post 310?

 

[Sym-Cha]

Ah okay, so you saw it before me then ... and to answer your question if the original clamplever is still underneath the added longer lever could the screw of the original lever still be there and perhaps even be bend to hold the clamp in place?

-Chaim

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Good point. Plus when it is seen as a practice saber during ESB there is no clamp whatsoever. Plenty of opportunity for parts to go missing. But is it a coincidence that one of the clamp bars is missing? If its a different lever it's the still the same clamp, maybe.

The only ESB version I have seen without a clamp is the severed hand version on ESB Skywalker Lightsaber. It has an activation box but appears to have no clamp. However, because of its use, I guess you can not call this a practice saber, if you are referring to dueling practice. Maybe that is what you were thinking of.

 

[Zombie Killer]

Ah okay, so you saw it before me then ... and to answer your question if the original clamplever is still underneath the added longer lever could the screw of the original lever still be there and perhaps even be bend to hold the clamp in place?

-Chaim

Good question. I ended up removing the screw part from my graflex lever and installed it on my ski lever so it works the same way. I just put a nut on the side missing the bar. It holds and does the job but i want to find a better solution. I will have to cut the screw down at some point. I wonder if the original screw broke and they had to take the bar off so there was enough thread to put a nut on the threads that were left.

edit , here is how mine sits now until i figure it out.

 

[TheRealMcFly]

Just thinking out loud here but couldn't that just be the bit of metal that reinforces the graflex lever with the threads. Maybe one too many stunt blows knocked off the cosmetic bit and left the rectangle under the bar.

Given the overall condition of the V2 by ROTJ I think the one sidebar is a good argument that it definitely IS the V2 and always has been since Star Wars. The shots of the saber body being held by the actors during ESB production look like they are getting their hand all of the way around the bottom. Go and try to do this with your replicas and tell me if you can get your hand all of the way around the clamp. My fingers are longer than most and I can't hold the MR like that.

So even if we can tell if the clamp is present or not when it's being held in the production shots it doesn't really reveal anything we don't know already. We still don't know if its the Shared Stunt before a hero conversion or the V2 without the clamp.

I still tend to think that the Shared Stunt is the V2. After all of the views from ESB practice duels we never see two of the same hilt. A compelling argument that its the same saber but then again, the Shared Stunt could just be a different copy leftover, but finally finished off to resemble the hero. But the hero conversion looks like it intentionally hides features that would not have been present on a prepared blank.

I could go either way. Looking at the reference provided here there is no scratch or mark detectable that I could find for a better argument.

 

[Zombie Killer]

I never got a threaded side bar so i have no idea what it looks like. Can someone post a pic of the underside of the sidebar with the threaded hole?

 

[gjw]

So is there a groove in the second part of the neck behind the windvane?

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There seems to be something on the second part of the neck and whatever it is, it seems to line up with Russ's groove.

Or maybe I'm just seeing it because of Russ's groove.......

:unsure

 

[thd9791]

I didn't know the real V2 had like...a loose emitter section that spun, as well as the pommel. While thats fascinating, and makes sense....Why use this as a fencing saber if there were loose parts? how could you, it's be rattling around all the time....

 

[Zombie Killer]

Here is what i mean thd, when the saber is on the chair, the paint starts in line with the cone knob. When it is handed to the emp, it does not.
One of 3 things could be happening. Either the emitter turns, the knob is gone, or the section with the knob turns. Since it is cast i doubted the cone area twists. So is the cone gone or emitter twisted. I don;t see the hole and it's silver there so i would assume we would see it. We know the clamp spins so i am ignoring the position of it. I don't know., assumption is the mother of all.......

 

[Zombie Killer]

Here is the saber just before the emp gets it. Notice where the cone is. That puts it at the top of the previous pic. That should be the cone at the top of the upper pic, that littl ebit of silver we see.

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