Luke ROTJ V2 lightsaber

scottjua said:
On the note of the recessed dish on the emitter, I am completely lost on that. There's zero evidence from what I've seen to support that.
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not to play devils advocate...but..:lol RussRep's V2 run currently has the recessed dish and weathering. There's also a second groove in the neck down near the grip, I got the feeling he got a certain set of plans that he wasn't allowed to publish
 
Here is a good quote from Barry from this thread:
http://www.therpf.com/f9/reaction-mr-v2-design-26308/

eFXBarry said:
The V2 saber definitely has a long lever on it. We found pictures in the archives that show it clear as day both in Jedi, and in A New Hope on the Obi-Wan stunt saber.

On the real saber, the lever when opened leaves the band free to rotate around and up and down the shaft of the saber as can be witnessed in many pictures of Sir Alec holding it behind the scenes. This explains the inconsistency in the line up of the band with the weathering on the front and the rear pommel from pic to pic in Jedi.

The saber was cast hollow to allow for the insertion of the motor and the shaft to which the blade was attached. The whole emitter head spins above the small groove in the neck. The blade was attached by a set screw through the side of the emitter head. The area below the clamp that approximates the part from the WWII anti-aircraft gun, housed the switch mechanism (on/off) and the power cord exited the body of the saber just below here in the step down between pommel. The pommel is removable. It spins and changes orientation with the main body of the saber, explaining why the pommel cubes/D-ring are inconsistent scene to scene.

The odd sized rings on the body of the piece vary considerably around their circumference. The saber in cross section is NOT a true round profile. It's slightly ovoid in profile due to the casting process used, most noticeable on the center section beneath the graflex band where the bands height is inconsistent around the diameter of the saber body.

The weathering changes throughout the movie as more black paint gets worn off from handling the prop. It's beat to hell and back.

The "shared stunt" or the saber painted to resemble the Luke Jedi "hero" that most people have seen pics of, features the usual graflex band and lever put on in reverse and has three holes drilled through it. This saber is, I believe, the one Luke wears when climbing up the side of Jabba's sail barge. I have a clearer pic of that and it's definitely the centre band from the "shared stunt".

I personally theorize that this saber may have been altered post production to more closely match the "hero" piece. The foil wrapped around its neck that has been painted bright copper, hides a black/brown copper beneath. The bright silver foil wrapped around the emitter head is directly over black paint. This may possibly have occurred when the various props first started travelling on exhibition to avoid confusion as to whose saber it was meant to be? But I have no definite proof.

A close examination of the saber reveals it was once painted black and dark brown/copper from its days as an Obi-Wan stunt.

On the MR replica saber the "idealization" was pretty minimal. We chose the picture of it sitting on the Emperor's chair arm and decided to do it in that configuration with regard to the line up of the cone knob, the clamp and the weathering. We measured consistently along one side of the saber for our inconsistent rings and all other length measurements. The saber is round in cross section. The uneven pommel cubes are evenly spaced. The band has stripes, but NO graflex logo. That is not allowed per MR's licensing agreement and never has been. It also doesn't feature the missing side bar, as that looks real ugly. I daresay some folks will rectify this when they get theirs. The cone knob features a very fine coin edge.

I think that's about it. It was great to be able to examine this piece in detail. This saber has been one of my favorites for donkey's years and I'm glad to finally be able to add it to my collection.

Barry
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The MR V2 (may have called it efx earlier) is to date the most accurate to the original but is still machined metal. So they definitely spotted the lever but even the best replica is an interpretation. Until Dan does a cast metal version. I hope sooner than later!
 
Shingouki28 said:
I personally think it's just paint rubbed off which gives the illusion. It was probably partialy rubbed off with wire wool in a circular motion, and possibly scratched heavily as a result. I don't think there was a recess at all. If you look at hd screen caps whilst it's resting on the Emperors throne arm, you can see it plain as day.
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I don't think there was a recess either.

Originally the emitter was painted solid black, so as to contrast the lighted spinning blade used in ANH. The blade and emitter needed to appear separate and not reflect any light or have light 'bleed over' from the blade to the emitter, instead giving a sharp lighted blade.

I think what you see in the V2 emitter is 2 things:
First, the paint is worn off the face on the edges from years of another blade wearing on it during duels. That's why the paint is missing from the edges and not close to where the blade was attached.
Second, from what I was led to believe the emitter face was a large fender washer and was attached after bearings or whatever were fitted in the emitter for the blade assembly to spin (remember, the V2 is hollow). With other saber blades hitting it for years I think the emitter face is slightly cupped, not recessed, due to the wear-and-tear of dueling.
 
thd9791 said:
not to play devils advocate...but..:lol RussRep's V2 run currently has the recessed dish and weathering. There's also a second groove in the neck down near the grip, I got the feeling he got a certain set of plans that he wasn't allowed to publish
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Not to knock anybody's hard work at all, but if memory serves correct those blueprints were drawn up some time ago from DVD stills and very good guesswork, and I think HD screen caps and photos from various exhibitions of the stunt have shown details which were at the time unknown. So the V2 Master Replicas made had supersedes with it's measurements taken from the known stunt (including its uneven rings on the grip section), and that stunt is very very similar to the V2, taken from the wooden master.
 
Plus, to borrow a photo from earlier in this Thread, the V2 was originally Kenobi's dueling saber.

Except for the Throne Room scenes, the long lever looks like this one:

owkclosefd7po6.jpg


It's possible due to the close-up shots sitting on the Throne they switched the lever or added one on top of the existing lever. But the lever on the Saber in Kenobi's hand from ANH is different than the one Luke is holding in the Throne room.
 
Good point. Plus when it is seen as a practice saber during ESB there is no clamp whatsoever. Plenty of opportunity for parts to go missing. But is it a coincidence that one of the clamp bars is missing? If its a different lever it's the still the same clamp, maybe.
 
Agreed on all counts.

I also think there was and is no second groove in the neck at all. The one picture I saw that was supposed to show it looks like a play of the light/paint/weathering to me and NOT a groove.

So no groove, and no recess in the emitter.

So I agree, my MR V2 is the most accurate out there... but still a little off here and there.

The "throne room lever" photo that I posted, and has been making the rounds, actually came straight from the official faceobok page months ago. I saw it and rejoiced, and thought someone sometime would find the part ('I'm still looking), or make a close to accurate replica.

So far, neither has happened. But we're getting closer.

Now we need a replica with a flat emitter like on the MR, and no second off-center groove.

In the end, I'm still going to dig my Russ V2!
 
Now I'm confused. What second groove?

Regarding the same clamp carrying over all those years of production. Maybe it was the only one they filed the tabs out of and would be the only one that would fit onto the hollow metal stunt. I dont think we should rule out the photo of Sir Alec Guiness holding the saber being proof the lever is a different one than the V2. It looks like the end turns up jut a little and maybe the side edge is getting lost reflecting the dark brown cloak.

The ultimate replica of this saber to me would be a hollow cast metal blank with a rotating pommel and a big washer emitter complete with stump.
 
Nighteyes said:
Now I'm confused. What second groove?
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I think it's the groove on the rear narrow section behind the weathervane.
The MR has a groove on the front narrow section only and Russrep has a groove on both narrow sections so I guess there's dissent over it.
 
Next to reading I'm more of a visual guy . . . so here are some pictures to watch :

LukeV2BluRay03.jpg


LukeV2BluRay01.jpg


LukeV2BluRay02.jpg


All V2 as far as I can tell :D

-Chaim
 
Nighteyes said:
Good point. Plus when it is seen as a practice saber during ESB there is no clamp whatsoever. Plenty of opportunity for parts to go missing. But is it a coincidence that one of the clamp bars is missing? If its a different lever it's the still the same clamp, maybe.
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What makes you say that?
I don't recall seeing any ESB practice shots without the clamp.
I'm fairly positive the same lever is on the saber in ANH.

There were plans for an ultimate cast aluminum replica of this saber, but unfortunately that's been cancelled because of Russ' run (too much lost interest after the flood of these replicas). Funny, I never realized anyone believed there was a second groove in the black part of the neck. There definitely isn't.
 
There's a line. Not a recess. It's possible the emitter sections were interchangeable with the spinning pole tips and non bladed tips. It WAS motorized at one point right?
 
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