Luke ANH vs. ESB Lightsaber + TFA. Do I have this right??

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  1. Tom1971

    Tom1971 Sr Member

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    I have been studying up on the differences. I want to make sure I have this right.


    Both classic Graflex 3 Cell flash handle



    ANH:

    Bear Tab included

    Calculator bubbles on clamp for ANH.

    Graflex Logo covered ????????????????????????? I assume it was covered by some tape as well.

    Graflex Original clear eye on the bottom for ANH.

    7 Grip strips. Glued

    Simple folded metal and riveted for D ring



    ESB:

    Bear tape on some, not on others.

    Circuit board thing for ESB clamp

    Graflex logo on clamp covered two ways. On some a 1/2" piece of mylar tape and others a 1" piece of textured aluminum tape

    Added big red button with texture grip base from second Graflex to replace glass eye in ESB. So it had the same big red button assembly on the top and bottom.

    6 grip strips with notches to the rear and riveted or screwed in in addition to being glued.

    Kobold slide on reflector mount for D ring. Notch facing out on some. Flipped over for others like Wampa scene.




    TFA:

    Same as ESB only they ditched the big red bottom button assembly for a original glass eye which makes it slightly off from the ESB one Luke lost


    Do I have that all right???
     
  2. halliwax

    halliwax Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    i think we have ruled that in the force awakens trailer the beer tab is still there, and there is no silver tape around the clamp. there is a thread around here with people debunking it
     
  3. Tom1971

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    Activation Lever


    ESB:

    Right side on the bottom



    ANH:

    Also right side on the bottom.


    Master Replicas had one that had the activator switch on the left top side. That was the LE and the Elite had it like ESB on the right and down.

    I assume the MR L.E. was wrong???
     
  4. Serenity

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    I don't think there was tape on the ANH saber. At least, I've never seen anything firm to indicate it in any promo or screen shots.

    Also, the clamp switched positioned between filming and the promo shots. The clamp lever is on the left side when Luke is handed it for the first time, and also in the training scene, but is on the right side in the publicity photos.
     
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  5. Serenity

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    Filming/On set:
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    Promo/Toe pic:
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  6. Tom1971

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    Just saw a great shot showing the bear tab on TFA saber but it also looks like there is just a hole and no glass eye????
     
  7. mugatu

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    The problem is the beer tab or the number of grips. What I would do is decide which saber I like the most, and if you need to wait to see TFA to decide, I would wait. If your favorite is ANH or ESB, and you are sure of that, I'd go with that one.
     
  8. Tom1971

    Tom1971 Sr Member

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    So for ANH screen accuracy the activator is on the left top. Excellent. The MR Elite is wrong and LE is right as far as the movie.
     
  9. Tom1971

    Tom1971 Sr Member

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    If I can re-build my collection I will have all three :)
     
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  10. mugatu

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    Yes, I forgot the best option: all three. So you want three separate saber's or less than three with interchangeable pieces?
     
  11. halliwax

    halliwax Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    oh no, the glass eye is there for sure ;)
     
  12. Tom1971

    Tom1971 Sr Member

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    Coolio.
     
  13. halliwax

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    [​IMG]
    you can see the ring around the eye piece here
     
  14. Tom1971

    Tom1971 Sr Member

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    Three separate. I will also have Vader ANH, ESB, ROTJ. Luke ROTJ Reveal. Like before. I had 22 sabers total. 18 Helmets, and lots of other stuff. I will rebuild,....maybe :wacko

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    The ring is there obviously but here and in the great pic showing the bear tab I can not see the eye. But as you say it's there. Really should be the big red button though.
     
  15. Wolfsburg

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    Where is the pic showing the TFA beer tab? Don't think I've seen it!
     
  16. halliwax

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    ill dig around today, there was stills taken from the trailer, leia turns the saber around in her hand. before that is when i believe guys on here have ruled the beer tab is in place, it may be in the graflex TFA thread, ill report back when i find it
     
  17. Gphalen

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    For a battle damaged saber, that fell through a shoot into a open sky from the city in the clouds. Loosing only the bulb eject button (Big red Button)not bad, no blood from Luke`s hand, no damage from the obvious thousands of feet it fell with a hand attached to it, Morbid to say the least!

    I prefer Lukes Light saber over Anakins which is Star Wars, Esb luke saber =/
     
  18. roygilsing

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    This is the image with the beer tab 'visible':
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    This was posted by mvanwalks421
     
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  19. halliwax

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    God bless you Roy, I was going nuts looking
     
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  20. halliwax

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    My my theory behind this is this... Luke added an extra red button for ease of igniting the saber now having the button on both sides. If you look at the way hamill holds the graflex the bunny ears face down, I would figure it would be held the other way around. Bunny ears up, or should I say bunny ears in facing yourself. This is how Anika's holds it in ROTS. Anyway, maybe Luke liked to hold the saber like that but the button was uncomfortable so he added another red button for ease...

    this is is where my fan fiction goes off the chart ready? Lol many times on dagobah you see the graflex with the top (bunny ear side) red button missing, while training maybe yoda said 2 buttons was like cheating and you should only have 1 activation button. And Luke was training with the more comfortable button he recently added..

    this is is totally debunked because we see Luke on bespin with 2 red buttons again racing the halls and chasing boba fett... But that's how I always explained those scenes to myself.

    as for the saber falling all they way down from cloud city I don't think like that. it could have been sucked up and dumped somewhere else in cloud city, OR it could have landed on something below them. Something I never noticed until recently watching was when Luke is sucked out the window the saber is in hand, he's then hanging on the edge and you can see the saber on the platform to the left...

    you never know what's going to happen because we never saw where the saber ended up

    if we want to get super technical the saber in Luke's hand when cut off is the stunt from ANH with 7 grips instead of 6, and I don't think it even has bunny ears on it lol
     
  21. mortifactor

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    It also looks certain that there is a kobold clip on the bottom. If you brighten up some high res pics from google you can see it clear as day! D-ring looks the same shape too, not sure about rivet placements (or if they're screws haha)


    I think I'll keep my ESB as a quasi-TFA until I can get a second red button (the beer tab looks cool anyway)
     
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  22. halliwax

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    There re is a good thread someone where they have freeze frames from the trailer it is a kobold dring for sure. I really like how they built it so close to the ESB version
     
  23. mugatu

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    According to the VD, those red buttons aren't for igniting the blade anyway. One is for shortening, lengthening the ignited blade (I believe). Of course that is the Visual Dictionary. I think the VD said the other button was to silence the saber when it receives an incoming message when Luke is in an important meeting or on another call.
     
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  24. mortifactor

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    :lol Those visual dictionary things used to be my Star Wars bible as a kid, now I can see how much they were just winging it
     
  25. RexKramer

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    Picked up my Graflex for a TFA build. I LOVE the ESB grips + board with the glass eye!

    I will be waiting to see it before I start the build, though, like others have said. Don't want to jump the gun just yet and miss any details.

    But going on what we have now, yes, it is the entire ESB set up with a glass eye + beer tab
     
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  26. mugatu

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    And the beer tab and rivet.
     
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  27. RexKramer

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    Realized I left that out JUST as I saw your reply.

    Thumbs up!
     
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  28. halliwax

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    Oh man that makes me think differently now... Maybe the igniter is on the control box like obiwans?
     
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  29. thd9791

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    Has anyone noticed that in some ANH shots the lever isn't folded down? I'm guessing we can assume the bubble strip was pinched or slid in without work done on it - just clamp it in as far as you can and go film! Either they had a lot of them or over time they finally cut it down to size when they had the time.
     
  30. thd9791

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    From what I remember (especially given ROTJ and how Mark Hamill used the prop) the clamps were the activation buttons. The Bubbles, circuit board or whatever was a big thumb sized button they they pressed on the ignite the blade.
     
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  31. scottjua

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    TAPE:

    ANH: NO TAPE ANYWHERE

    ESB: Thin smooth tape ONLY.... ONLY... ONLY... on screen. Every scene I have seen or studied... just the 1/2" mylar tape... That 1" textured tape is post production, and not related to the movie at all.... at least nothing I've ever seen on a hero piece on screen.
     
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  32. halliwax

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    Yes that's right! Right before Luke says " I'll never turn to the dark side" good thinking Tom!!
     
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  33. Wolfsburg

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    Just for clarification: on the ESB saber, was the beer tab AND the rivet removed? If the rivet was removed too, was just an open hole left?
     
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  34. mugatu

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    I believe it is just a hole there, but don't have any verifying photos.
     
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  35. Panaflex

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    Yes, a small, barely noticeable hole was left. If you are doing an ESB, Removal from the inside of the flash is recommended to avoid marring the finish.
     
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  36. Romans Empire

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    What about the bottoms???

    Do any have the FOLMER instead of the GRAFLEX, INC?

    gresb4a.jpg
     
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  37. thesyfyguy

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    Dose anyone have the correct measurements for Anakin Skywalkers 1st light saber? I am trying to build one from scratch and add some special effects to it for comic con this fall.
     
  38. Edraven99

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    Yep... Close up screen grabs of the Wampa scene seem to indicate that the word "New" is present... Meaning it could only be a Folmer and not a Graflex Inc. bottom...
     
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    Is that right? Do you have any of those screen grabs? I don't have any showing FOLMER. :eek
     
  40. Serenity

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    Photo courtesy of Scott, I believe:
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    I have this image, but could never really tell what it said. So it was determined that this image says FOLMER?

    This is all news to me, so please excuse if this has been hashed to death already!! :lol
     
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    I was curious about the location of the kobold in regards to the wording on the bottom. Now knowing it's a folmer and mine says graflex I'm not too concerned now..
     
  43. Serenity

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    You can make out the "NEW YORK" on it, so the only Graflex it could be is the early Folmer one that has "NEW YORK" rather than "NY" - Or at least, it used the Folmer bottom.
     
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  44. halliwax

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    I can see that now "new " is upside down and backwards
     
  45. Tom1971

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  46. Wolfsburg

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    Yeah, I was afraid of that! Haha! I was hoping the rivet had been left in.
     
  47. thd9791

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    I made the SRS saber (which, I know, is a post production design) which also had the rivet removed. I just left mine on. Still looks pretty awesome :cool

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    Just to clarify, that saber has no connection to any of the films. It came out of a collection at auction many years after - doesn't have the original Track used in the movies nor does it have a kobold clip (and those rivets!) no one knows where it came from!

    given that the ROTJ Vader has the rivets still in, I would assume anything with rivets in it still has them today, by the way.
     
  48. Tom1971

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    Excellent info.

    Thanks
     
  49. Jedifather

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    I think it's great that the Folmer/Graflex people made their camera flashgun look just like a lightsaber, :D


    Personally I don't consider the replacement of the glass eye with the red button to be "in story." Prop handling seemed to be pretty careless back then. The glass eye
    was probably lost and they replaced it with something that fits perfect. Wasn't there another ESB saber that was missing the top red button?
     
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  50. mugatu

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    The Dagobah saber had one red button (at least in the shots that I've seen, where I can tell).
     

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