Looking for Luke's Green Milk Bottle from Ahch-To. Any ideas?

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  1. sw63

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    Hi,

    Wanting to do a Last Jedi Luke costume and thought it would be kinda cool to go around drinking green milk.

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    Anyone have any ideas on the bottle please?

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  2. ALLEY

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    "The horror...

    ...the horror...."

    Well, it most closely resembled a hydration bottle of the type you would find at REI.
     
  3. Trooper_trent

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    Any luck so far? I'm also trying to find a suitable look-a-like
     
  4. sw63

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    This is what I've come up with. Don't know how screen accurate it is - but it'll do the job for now.
    Lalang plastic bottle from Amazon for £2.48. It did have a load of white text on it but it all came off very easily with a bit of light sanding.
    Sprayed the lid silver, stuck a thin steel band around it and made a leather carrying case.
    Haven't tried it with any milk yet. I'm just going to melt some mint ice cream. That should do the trick.

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    This was the Amazon listing: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01MCTLGZR/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    (Took just under one month to arrive)
     
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  5. Trooper_trent

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    Cool. I looked at the few screenshots I could find and it looks (to me anyway) that the bottom is metal. I found a similar glass water bottle and am planning on 3D modelling and printing the bottom and the top band for the bottle to sit down into. Then I have some dark grey pleather laying around here so hopefully that'll work as the strap.
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  6. sw63

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    Nice screen shots. I thought about glass, but as I'm cosplaying with it I figured plastic would be safer. I wish I'd seen the bottom 'though (although I quite like my leather thingy!).

    Good luck with yours and please post some pics when it's finished.
     
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    Loving this thread!!


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    lol, the actual reason I'm doing this is kind of as a joke. My friends and I who all met through the 501st back in the late 90's / early 00's have all been really close and all love the OT, hated the prequels, and are kind of meh about the new stuff. We liked TFA well enough but for some reason, we ALL came out of TLJ just feeling bad. like the life was sucked out of us. I honestly hated it. I hated it less after watching it a second time but it's still my least favorite ( I don't even count the prequels).
    ANYWAY, we talked about that stupid sea cow milking scene for days afterwards, and it still comes up in conversation about how completely pointless, and unnecessary that was.
    Long story short, we have a tradition going that we'll all meet up on Blu Ray release day and watch it again together (we did it for TFA and RO). It's usually at my house and I usually grill food and provide copious amounts of beer.
    Well I mentioned that we're more than likely having BBQ Porg for dinner (bbq chicken) as a joke and one of my buddies said, "I'm only coming if there's going to be green Sea-Cow milk."
    So for a laugh, I'm going to make an accurate bottle and come up with some kind of awesome green milkshake type drink. I found some smaller bottles that look similar for cheap. I'll use the big one to store it, and will make smaller ones to give people to drink out of and take home with them.

    Here's where I am so far.
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  9. kickman88

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    Bottle looks good...and the MF interior in the background of pic 3 :thumbsup
     
  10. Trooper_trent

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    that's my pc desktop. accidentally got the edge of it in my screen grab.
     
  11. halliwax

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    Trent the model looks epic!! I’ve wanted this bottle because of the awkwardness of that scene

    I have been referring to it as “ green *itty milk”

    There is ways of making fake cola in vintage peps bottles, I want to find way to make green milk, even if it’s in solid state (like the fake cola)



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  12. Trooper_trent

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    made a couple of tweaks to it to get the proportions closer. The bottle part of my model is based on the dimensions listed on Amazon for the bottle I ordered. So it may be a bit wider than the screen used one, but I don't know for sure until I get it in. But I'm mainly concerned with the proportions height-wise.

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    A little progress. I only had to adjust my files by .3 mm to get it to fit!

    Bottle arrived
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    Looks like it'll work just fine.
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    Here's the cap minus the silicone seal removed. It's too tall and needs a hole to more closely replicate the open mouth of the original.
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    I marked and shaved 8mm off the bottom and then cut a hole with a dremel and drill bit, so that it was as wide as the cylinder on the inside of the lid. Used a grinder wheel to smooth it out and then a couple of minutes with some fine grain sand paper. 10 minute job total.
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    Now it's thinner and sits higher up, showing the neck which will be black (either painted or a 3d printed neck ring). I painted the cap silver and will show that once it's dry.
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    3D printed band test fit. Printing the base now.
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  14. Trooper_trent

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    I ended up just wrapping black athletic tape around the neck.
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    * trent!!!! That 8mm shaving really makes this thing pop!!!


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    Playing around with the strapping. This is just some webbing I had laying around. I’m not going to use this it’s just to test it out. My wife had a great thought in that it looks like it’s secures the same way those yoga mat slings work. So when I find the right material I’ll probably copy that design
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    Slapped a coat of silver on the base to get the color closer. Will probably dirty it up with a black wash
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    Weathered the glass by misting the outside with a matte clear coat and then scratching it back off randomly with sandpaper.
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  17. halliwax

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    * trent!!! *!!!


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    Quick timelapse of the bottle base being printed.
     
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  19. halliwax

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    that is freak'n wild!!!! :thumbsup
     
  20. nickytea

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    I love this. I really hope someone IDs the actual bottle they used. I will drink from it every day, and grimace.
     
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    Pretty, pretty, cool :thumbsup
     
  22. Trooper_trent

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    OK I just got back from Joann's and got some leather-like fabric for the strap that I think will be close enough.
    But now I'm trying to figure out how the strap is constructed.
    I can see a wide band around the whole bottle made of a dark gray blue leather type material, but there's another piece crisscrossing it and I can't really tell what's going on there.
    If you look at the visual dictionary bottle (which is completely different in shape and design, and is also the version Hot Toys went with on their TLJ 6th scale Luke) the wide band is the gray leather and then there's a thinner 1 inch grey webbing strap that's also tied with some brown waxed twine. That image has a better shot of how the strap is constructed but it also appears to be different than the one seen in the movie.
    So I can either try to mimic the visual dictionary strap since I can see that one better, or try to copy what is seen on screen but maybe get it more wrong.
    Opinions?
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  23. Trooper_trent

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    Here’s what I’m seeing from the visual dictionary version.

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    Do you guys think they just swapped bottles and used the same strap?
     
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    Yeah. Now that I look at it and hold it the way he is in the movie I’m like really sure it’s the same strap as the visual dictionary version. Look how the webbing folds naturally when gripped that way. It matches the screenshot exactly.
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  25. halliwax

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    this is so freak'n crazy! you nailed this buddy! :thumbsup
     
  26. Trooper_trent

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    OK This "tutorial" is mostly for @halliwax since he's making a bottle too, but if anyone else is ever interested, here's what I came up with.
    3D models of the bottle parts are here
    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2843583
    Bottle is here
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MRNUJH2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_XuPXAbSYBVQWH
    The finished [p]leather band should be 41mm wide. To make mine look a little nicer, I doubled that and folded it over on itself to give it some extra thickness and so that it's leather on both sides (when looking through the glass to the other side, you see [p]leather on the inside as well instead of the fabric lining). For the width of the bottles I have, I cut the band at 12 1/2 inches by 3 1/4 inches, then ran some glue long the fabric side and folded it over on itself to make a double sided leather band 12 1/2 inches long by 1 5/8 inches (approx 41mm) wide.
    Now, you need to make a triangular point on the left end of the band. To get the correct angle, mark a line 40mm from the end, then come in at angles to the center and cut to form a point.
    Next, curve the band around (you can use the bottle to ensure a tight fit) and overlap the pointed end over the other end, and glue down with super glue. Don't glue the strap to the bottle, you want to be able to remove it so you can adjust, wash, etc. Just glue the strap to itself to form a loop.

    For the strap, start with a piece of gray 1" nylon webbing that is 28 inches long.
    Mark a line at 8 inches from the left end, and another line at around 11 3/8 inches from the left end.
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    Run the webbing through the band as shown (note the orientation of the pointed end), and line the end up with the 8 inch mark. Secure with some super glue (you can add a rivet later)
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    Next, fold the right end up and line it up with the 11 3/8 inch mark. Secure with some super glue to hold it tightly in place. You should end up with something like this.
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    Next, crease the double layer of webbing where the strap ends and tie some waxed hemp twine or leather around it with a double knot. Leave a loose end for later.

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    Then wrap the twine messily and randomly around the webbing, crisscrossing a bit. I did about 15 wraps. You want to end up with a wrapping that is approximately 21 mm wide.
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    On the last wrap, I threaded the end of the twine back through the crease (under the wrapping) and back over to duplicate the visual dictionary image. Then I tied that loose end to the original loose end from my first double knot.
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    And there you go! all finished. Add a rivet (I think it's a rivet) or other fastener to the first loop if you want to be super accurate.
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    Wicked!!! Nice idea with double siding the pleather! I would have never thought of that! Nice little trick!

    I seriously believe you nailed this! With what? Only 3 screen shots?! Out standing job buddy!!!


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    double post
     
  29. halliwax

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    It’s amazing what a difference it looks like with 8mm off

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    Did your cap come gray like that? or did you paint it?
    or is that the white cap and it just looks gray to me?
     
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    And FINISHED!
    Frosted the glass, added a rivet to the strap and weathered the webbing a bit.


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    She’s white, funny thing is I ordered the back cap but was delivered white


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  33. Trooper_trent

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    I'm just still so surprised at how your bottle's neck is so vertical. Both of mine have a huge flare on them. and then to hear how differently sized they are, there's a LOT of variation with this particular bottle.
     
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    Love what you guys have done with this. When I've got a bit more time I'm going to make mine much more like yours, Trent - but I'm going to be a cheapskate and wrap gaffer tape around the bottom!

    Perhaps the original prop got smashed on Skellig - hence the crappy version in the V.D.?
     
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  35. Trooper_trent

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    I can send you a 3d print if you want.
     
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    this is 100% all trent, im just a copy cat ;)
     
  37. Trooper_trent

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    I think even in the movie, after the completely unnecessary and quite disturbing milk scene, when Luke throws his pack down on the ground, it's the V.D. version of the bottle.
     
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    That's a really kind offer Trent and I thank you for it, but postage costs to the UK are ridiculously high. I'll just "stick" to the gaffer tape for now!
     
  39. Trooper_trent

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    OK so now that the movie is out, there's definitely a little more to the strap than I previously thought.
    It looks like there's snaps on it and maybe some kind of square buckle.
    What do you think?

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    I get what your saying, is it a square looking snap? That last picture makes it look like it has sharp edges, and not round

    Second picture almost looks like a key chain ring or something


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  41. Trooper_trent

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    OK so I've stared at this thing WAY longer than anyone ever should have LOL but I think I have it nailed down.
    It's just normal snaps, but they're attached in a way that causes the strap to twist a very specific way.
    It might be hard to explain but if you picture making a loop and snapping the ends together and then rotating the two halves of the snap against each other a half turn while they're still attached, I'm about 95% sure this is what's going on here. It's the ONLY way the snaps can attach in a way that causes that twist. Then there's even a THIRD snap on the long tail end.
    I'm assuming this was meant to be some last minute adjustable strap to attach the bottle to his pack.
    I'm making up a revised tutorial now.
    I cut a new strap this morning and took measurements lining it up with each frame of the movie to make sure everything folds and lays the right way to ensure I get the right position and orientation. I don't have snaps at the moment so I'll have to go get some tomorrow.

    Like I said....WAY too much time staring at this thing. I'm going to have bad dreams about Sea Cow nipples for months to come I'm sure.
     
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  42. halliwax

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    why is it that we get attached to props that aren't always black and white. then again where would the fun be in trying to figure it all out and come up with a solution. i think trying to find the parts, and trouble shooting is the best part of prop building

    you sir have put some serious time into this bottle decoding, my hat is off to you!

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  43. kickman88

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    I will be making one of these as well...once I get my 3D printer! Thanks for all the hard work to make this look so great!!
     
  44. Trooper_trent

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    definitely. Things like this are usually looked at on different levels from the dismissive to the outright obsessive.

    Level 1. It's a bottle. Lame...

    Level 2. It's a custom bottle with a strap. cool bottle, stupid scene.

    Level 3. It's a custom bottle with a strap that's made out of a different material than the band. It would be funny to have one of those but nobody would know what it was

    Level 4. It's a custom bottle with a strap that's made out of a different material than the band and it's constructed of a loop attached by a rivet on one end, and what looks like another look tied by twine. Hmm I think I'll make one!

    Level 5. It's a custom bottle with a strap that's made out of a different material than the band and it's constructed of a loop attached by a rivet on one end, and what looks like another look tied by twine but now that the movie is out, I'm not so sure it's another loop. hmmm. OMG there's snaps on it! WTF? Ok so if these are generic snaps, then this is the cap of the female end and that looks like the prong of the male end, but in this other shot it looks like they're snapped together. But if they're snapped together then why is the strap twisted? If it's twisted and you undid the snap, then it wouldn't look like in the other shot. so is that the BACK of the male end? did they have TWO bottles? why is it snapped and twisted? is it because it was a loop but it turned out while being handled? and if so, why is there a third snap on the bottom? Is that the top layer twisted or the bottom layer turned over on top of it? I wish I could see that 2 inch space behind the bottle because this doesn't make ANY F*****G SENSE! Ok Start over. Freeze this frame, hold your replica bottle up to it and follow the strap. yeah ok it angles and then turns and then yeah ok there's the snap from the other shot about 6 inches down. I've made 3 of them and reprinted the parts 5 times because I keep finding things wrong with it. I went to another town specifically to find gray leather. I MUST HAVE THE MOST ACCURATE GREEN SEA COW MILK BOTTLE ON THE PLANET!!!!

    Edit: And now that I go back and look at the Visual Dictionary version. WTF!? is that a snap? and it has the same twist in the strap!. ughh....

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    Sneaky sneaky.... sure does look like something is there!! I think your right trent, I bet the strap is the same * strap on screen!

    Wonder what the heck happened to the original bottle on screen?!

    If the strap is exactly the same, it makes me wonder if the bottle was damaged while filming. Haven’t seen the film yet on Blu-ray but I remember in the theater he drops it a few times...

    I could easily be over thinking and multiple bottles were made at the same time


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  46. Xxblackbird

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    A VFX artist has said the bottle used in closeups was CGI. That would explain inconsistencies.
     
  47. Trooper_trent

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    Hmmm.... I honestly would never even have considered that, as much as I've stared at it. But now that you mention it, when I watch it at full speed, there might be a slight twitch here and there that could possibly be key framing issues indicating it's CGI, but if it is it's * GOOD.

    Another bit of evidence for that is the behind the scenes documentary. When it shows them filming that scene, the close up is of the Visual Dictionary Bottle (go figure) and only shows the top of it, but you can tell it's an earlier take. The milk is white.
    But there's a camera angle from further away that shows him holding the bottle and to me it looks like the one seen on screen. I seriously doubt they would have replaced it with a CGI bottle for a far away shot of him in the 'making of' documentary, but it's far away so I could be wrong.

    Interesting.

    Danny, I bet you're right. They talk about filming that scene in both a studio and on location on the rocks. It shows them flying the seacow puppet in and out by helicopter.
    I bet it's the on-set shot that has a different bottle. I watched for it to turn up again in the background when they were showing all the props but I didn't ever see it.

    Edit: WOW @Xxblackbird I think you're right! it's a CG bottle! when he takes a drink, it jumps a bit in his hand from frame to frame, and there's an inner wall of the glass that's visible and then fades away, like they blended that bottle over the actual one. It was probably a decision to make it more visible for the milk to be seen. That's CRAZY! I can't believe I didn't see that before! I guess staring at individual frames makes it harder to spot differences and unrealistic movements. Still that is some really good CG work! That is a huge help! do you remember where you read / saw that? I'm curious to see if there's additional video floating around somewhere.
     
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  48. halliwax

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    Holy crap there is a lot of CG coverup through out this whole film... kinda disappointed the bottle wasn’t real... I’ll report back to read this again, my mind isn’t right from being up more then 24 hours removing this * snow..


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    Well, CG on no - I much prefer the shape seen in the film so, IMHO, your screen-accurate projects Trent & Halliwax (and mine to a lesser extent!) look ten times better than the VD one!
    I raise a bottle of green milk to you both!
     
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  50. Trooper_trent

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    Wait til I post pics of my TLJ watching party tomorrow LOL.


    I'm in shorts and am about to go fly my paramotor this afternoon. Just thought I'd rub it in.
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